When is it right to avail oneself of the 2nd amendment?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

The Soviet Union was almost at the German border by the time of D day. The allies had to rush before it was all over.

I am no fan of communism as I have actually been to East Berlin and Ukraine and Yugoslavia back then and seen it first hand, but I think the self -congratulatory stuff in the West is not in accord with the facts. Not that that ever stopped a fervent Nationalist from believing his country was the most <fill this in> in the history of the world and the universe and by the grace of god..

wiki: Kursk: This happened almost a year before the US got to Europe:

The Battle of Kursk refers to German and Soviet operations on the Eastern Front during World War II in the vicinity of the city of Kursk, (450 kilometres / 280 miles south of Moscow) in the Soviet Union in July and August 1943. It remains both the largest series of armored clashes, including the Battle of Prokhorovka, and the costliest single day of aerial warfare. It was the final strategic offensive the Germans were able to mount in the east. The resulting decisive Soviet victory gave the Red Army the strategic initiative for the rest of the war.

Right but imagine what would have happened under neutrality. The Soviet Union wouldn't have received arm shipments, and Germany would have been able to concentrate its forces on one front. It would have drug out for much longer.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Don't forget the Pacific Theater, that continued on a bit longer, and was predominately a US effort. How many more Brits would have died in Burma, and would Australia and New Zealand survived had the Japanese not foolishly decided to teach the Americans a lesson by attacking the Pacific Fleet in Hawaii?

Oh I agree, the Pacific Theater was half the war and the US fought much it on its own.

(IE I don't buy that the USSR won WW2)

Edited January 11, 2011 by Sousuke

[Captain Oates 911]

Don't forget the Pacific Theater, that continued on a bit longer, and was predominately a US effort. How many more Brits would have died in Burma, and would Australia and New Zealand survived had the Japanese not foolishly decided to teach the Americans a lesson by attacking the Pacific Fleet in Hawaii?

My dad was in the war from 1939 (which is when it started) and in the jungles of Burma from 1943 onwards and he said he never saw a yank - he saw a few Japanese though. All the way down from Imphal to Rangoon.

Quite a few. A lot.

Apparently Errol Flynn and John Wayne won it almost single handed but they were so swift and effective that my dad never saw them !

My dad especially didn't like Flynn but that was because my mother fancied him in his tights in Robin Hood

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

My dad was in the war from 1939 (which is when it started) and in the jungles of Burma from 1943 onwards and he said he never saw a yank - he saw a few Japanese though. All the way down from Imphal to Rangoon.

Quite a few. A lot.

Apparently Errol Flynn and John Wayne won it almost single handed but they were so swift and effective that my dad never saw them !

My dad especially didn't like Flynn but that was because my mother fancied him in his tights in Robin Hood

Strictly speaking your father wasn't in the Pacific Theater, he was in the China Burma India Theater (not sure if the UK used this nomenclature). Hence he wouldn't have seen any Americans.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well, it's clear then that females should not be allowed to own guns. Nor should the elderly.

ETA: Elderly meaning over the age of 45, of course.

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— <A name=b_1>(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

You must've missed the part that said owning arms was an individual right, not just for the militia.

Go ahead and read the Heller decision again.

Wait, I thought you 2nd Amendment zealots were all about the intent behind the law? If the intent was that women and the elderly couldn't own guns, then that's what you want, right? Because beyond that, you are espousing the spirit of the law (individual right) vs. an originalist's approach.

[Captain Oates 911]

Strictly speaking your father wasn't in the Pacific Theater, he was in the China Burma India Theater (not sure if the UK used this nomenclature). Hence he wouldn't have seen any Americans.

Hum - he never mentioned being in the theater and he didnt even see Errol Flynn til he got to the cinema

Anyway he was under the delusion that he had free speech and so on even though he didn't have a gun when he eventually got home. He had had enough of guns

He waterered the tree of liberty by voting out Churchill and those grisly right wing war mongers and he got universal health which is the finest thing any politicians can deliver for the people

How was that possible without having a gun to threaten his own government with ? Lucky eh

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Strictly speaking your father wasn't in the Pacific Theater, he was in the China Burma India Theater (not sure if the UK used this nomenclature). Hence he wouldn't have seen any Americans.

There were there, though not in the numbers that the British were. Many American pilots hired early on as mercenaries in the China Burma India Theater, and after the US officially entered the war, they reenlisted with the American forces in the Pacific, notably Pappy Boyington.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Burma_India_Theater_of_World_War_II

[scandal 951]

I will give you some examples of other armed societies deterring tyranny while you look it up...Sweden, Switzerland, Isreal.

a) Isreal isn't a country and doesn't exist on any map.

b) Israel is a country. In that real country, soldiers, cops, private security guards may carry guns. Private citizens can apply for gun permits and legally carry weapons. But there is no intrinsic 'right' for anyone to own a gun in Israel. Nothing like the US 2nd amendment exists there.

But please, Mr. Jim Crow, please do carry on spouting about stuff you know nothing about.

[mawilson 2,133]

b) Israel is a country. In that real country, soldiers, cops, private security guards may carry guns. Private citizens can apply for gun permits and legally carry weapons. But there is no intrinsic 'right' for anyone to own a gun in Israel. Nothing like the US 2nd amendment exists there.

2nd Amendment notwithstanding, most US states require that you apply for a gun permit before you can legally buy a gun.

Gun permits are relatively easy to obtain in Israel.

[Captain Oates 911]

2nd Amendment notwithstanding, most US states require that you apply for a gun permit before you can legally buy a gun.

Gun permits are relatively easy to obtain in Israel.

We just do the FED form here

Are you insane yes/no

Are you a terrorist yes/no

Do you wish to kill a member of Congress yes/no

Have you ever expressed views to the left of Adolf Eichmann or an unwillingness to kill animals ? yes/no - if yes go to special review section

Congratulations you can now get a 50 caliber BMG sniper rifle with a free public gallery day pass for Congress, don't forget to pick up your George W Bush 18 inch autographed hunting knife at the kiosk when you arrive

[Captain Oates 911]

This makes the Irish want a second amendment

[slim 1,525]

Wait, I thought you 2nd Amendment zealots were all about the intent behind the law? If the intent was that women and the elderly couldn't own guns, then that's what you want, right? Because beyond that, you are espousing the spirit of the law (individual right) vs. an originalist's approach.

To use a term you're used to, I'm advocating a "common-sense" approach. The 2nd Amendment (and pretty much the whole constitution) is written in very plain English. Why not just take it for what it says?

There were there, though not in the numbers that the British were. Many American pilots hired early on as mercenaries in the China Burma India Theater, and after the US officially entered the war, they reenlisted with the American forces in the Pacific, notably Pappy Boyington.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Burma_India_Theater_of_World_War_II

The U.S. Army Air Corps flew "the hump" from China to Burma and India just to keep his majesty's troops supplied.

2nd Amendment notwithstanding, most US states require that you apply for a gun permit before you can legally buy a gun.

Huh? What states are those?

We just do the FED form here

Are you insane yes/no

Are you a terrorist yes/no

Do you wish to kill a member of Congress yes/no

Have you ever expressed views to the left of Adolf Eichmann or an unwillingness to kill animals ? yes/no - if yes go to special review section

Congratulations you can now get a 50 caliber BMG sniper rifle with a free public gallery day pass for Congress, don't forget to pick up your George W Bush 18 inch autographed hunting knife at the kiosk when you arrive

Every time I do a 4473 I get flagged. I can still buy a 50 caliber BMG but they sure are expensive!

I find it hilarious when gun-control advocates point to the .50 as something that needs to be outlawed. Can any of you, anywhere, post ONE crime where a .50 BMG has been used?

Here, I'll make it even easier. How about a bayonet? Anyone?

[Captain Oates 911]

I find it hilarious when gun-control advocates point to the .50 as something that needs to be outlawed. Can any of you, anywhere, post ONE crime where a .50 BMG has been used?

Here, I'll make it even easier. How about a bayonet? Anyone?

Yes the Irish used 50 caliber BMG to kill young British soldiers standing at road check points in Northern Ireland

Guess where they got them ?

American Irish terrorists

[natty bumppo 297]

I find it hilarious when gun-control advocates point to the .50 as something that needs to be outlawed. Can any of you, anywhere, post ONE crime where a .50 BMG has been used?

Here, I'll make it even easier. How about a bayonet? Anyone?

anything that can handle the 50 bmg is so easily concealed too .....

[Captain Oates 911]

In Northern Ireland during the 1990s, the South Armagh Brigade of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) used Barrett rifles against the British Army and the Royal Ulster Constabulary police.

source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82