When is it right to avail oneself of the 2nd amendment?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

To use a term you're used to, I'm advocating a "common-sense" approach. The 2nd Amendment (and pretty much the whole constitution) is written in very plain English. Why not just take it for what it says?

Common-sense approach to the interpretation of the Constitution? Hallelujah. So then when talking about reasonable gun laws, you won't be relying on the intent of the Framers of the Constitution, but rather what is rational and logical in these times with the type of personal firepower that is available. You can't fall back on saying that the Framers intended to never have our 2nd Amendment right infringed upon in any shape or form when in fact, the Framers specifically declared a militia to be made up of men, under the age of 45.

So that gets us back to whether it is reasonable to establish gun laws which are designed to help protect the general population from mass shootings.

I'd like to know the rationale behind needing a high capacity magazine for the average citizen who wishes to own a handgun for personal protection. Zombies?

[natty bumppo 297]

In Northern Ireland during the 1990s, the South Armagh Brigade of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) used Barrett rifles against the British Army and the Royal Ulster Constabulary police.

source:

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Barrett_M82

i'm not sure the answer ... can you provide info?

are the barrett rifles able to be owned by private (non leo/military) peoples in ireland?

[Captain Oates 911]

i'm not sure the answer ... can you provide info?

are the barrett rifles able to be owned by private (non leo/military) peoples in ireland?

They were sent by Irish American terrorist sympathizers of which there are plenty in the North East - especially Boston and Chicago

Northern Ireland is the United Kingdom and follows UK rules - ie you would need a very good reason (huge rabbits ?) to buy a BMG - not like the US where the only reason is it compensates for your tiny ding a ling and feelings of inadequacy

Same rule as sports cars with long hoods - you know how it goes - every Napoleon needs one

Not sure about Eire though I would imagine it's tight there too

[Captain Oates 911]

I'd like to know the rationale behind needing a high capacity magazine for the average citizen who wishes to own a handgun for personal protection. Zombies?

Laziness - I take 3 times 30 round mags to the range for my AR-15 so I dont have to fiddle with em in the cold

If they limited it to 10 rounds it would just exercise my fingers a little more - no big deal and not enough for me to drive to washington and slay the government like some would

[natty bumppo 297]

Laziness - I take 3 times 30 round mags to the range for my AR-15 so I dont have to fiddle with em in the cold

If they limited it to 10 rounds it would just exercise my fingers a little more - no big deal and not enough for me to drive to washington and slay the government like some would

i actually prefer the 20 round ... better balance and more comfortable to hold during the standing positions at hi-pwr matches ...

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Common-sense approach to the interpretation of the Constitution? Hallelujah. So then when talking about reasonable gun laws, you won't be relying on the intent of the Framers of the Constitution, but rather what is rational and logical in these times with the type of personal firepower that is available. You can't fall back on saying that the Framers intended to never have our 2nd Amendment right infringed upon in any shape or form when in fact, the Framers specifically declared a militia to be made up of men, under the age of 45.

So that gets us back to whether it is reasonable to establish gun laws which are designed to help protect the general population from mass shootings.

I'd like to know the rationale behind needing a high capacity magazine for the average citizen who wishes to own a handgun for personal protection. Zombies?

The problem always is Steven that what is reasonable is not defineable. 11 rounds is not a "high capacity" magazine. Neither is 12 or even 15. All are pretty "standard" magazine capacities that fit within the normal grip of common handguns. The problem is also in restricting rights. How many books can you be limited to? Do you really need more than 10? we have libraries, you know. How many computers? How many websites should you be able to visit per month?

So many of us simply say NO. NONE. We draw the line at -0-. Besides it gets ridiculous. !0 rounds? 12 rounds? 15 rounds. So when someone with a 3 handguns with 10 round magazines kills 6 people, then what. Limit the number of guns? It never stops. I know it will never stop, so the answer is NO.

The 2nd amendment has been firmly established. The NRA is now building on that. Lawsuits are pending against dozens of existing laws using Heller to challenge. McDonald was the 2nd domino to fall, establishing that the right extends to states and localities. NOW they can challenge the magazine capacity laws of states, they are challenging the age restriction on handguns. 18 year olds are adults, they are responsible for their actions, can vote and can serve in the military...but can't own handguns. That one will go away this year. There is a calculated, planned dismantling of the existing unconstitutional laws. It will take a few years to undo the damage of the last 50 years but the path is clear, the foundation is laid. States are now switching from "shall issue" licenses to what is called "constitutional carry" meaning no need for a license...like Vermont. Iowa almost went that way recently and probably will this year. Alaska and Arizona already did.

There will be occasionally flopping around like gut-hooked fish by gun haters. It happens. Our rights are better preserved than ever and get better every day.

I am optomistic about the future for gun owners.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Laziness - I take 3 times 30 round mags to the range for my AR-15 so I dont have to fiddle with em in the cold

If they limited it to 10 rounds it would just exercise my fingers a little more - no big deal and not enough for me to drive to washington and slay the government like some would

Fortunately you won't have to. There will be no magazine restrictions and the ones that exist in states will soon be struck down under Heller and McDonald.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

i actually prefer the 20 round ... better balance and more comfortable to hold during the standing positions at hi-pwr matches ...

People that have actually used and shot the AR know this. It is also better fro prone slow fire as it doesn't bump the ground. Lots f guys use the 5 round mags for prone slow fire and single load the cartridges anyway. Tha mag just holds the bolt open for handy loading, particularly if you are one of those that uses a heavier and longer bullet seated to an OAL that doesn't function in the mag. I don't, I prefer one bullet weight and load for all the stages.

Laziness - I take 3 times 30 round mags to the range for my AR-15 so I dont have to fiddle with em in the cold

If they limited it to 10 rounds it would just exercise my fingers a little more - no big deal and not enough for me to drive to washington and slay the government like some would

In what course of fire do you shoot "expert" in?

[natty bumppo 297]

People that have actually used and shot the AR know this. It is also better fro prone slow fire as it doesn't bump the ground. Lots f guys use the 5 round mags for prone slow fire and single load the cartridges anyway. Tha mag just holds the bolt open for handy loading, particularly if you are one of those that uses a heavier and longer bullet seated to an OAL that doesn't function in the mag. I don't, I prefer one bullet weight and load for all the stages.

single load ... helps pace things better.

[slim 1,525]

Yes the Irish used 50 caliber BMG to kill young British soldiers standing at road check points in Northern Ireland

Guess where they got them ?

American Irish terrorists

So let me get this straight, we should pass laws in America to control what people in foreign countries do?

They tried this recently with Mexico. "There's crime in Mexico because Mexican gangs are buying machine guns, rocket launchers and hand grenades at gun shows in the US and then using them in Mexico."

Didn't work there and it won't work with your example either. Please, try to find ONE CRIME where a .50 BMG was used. (And before you go spouting off about "I just told you about a crime" keep in mind you said an "army" person shot another "army" person. That doesn't sound like crime to me. That sounds like a Barrett being put to good use.)

In Northern Ireland during the 1990s, the South Armagh Brigade of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) used Barrett rifles against the British Army and the Royal Ulster Constabulary police.

source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82

I'm curious, how did wiki track down the origins of these rifles?

Common-sense approach to the interpretation of the Constitution? Hallelujah. So then when talking about reasonable gun laws, you won't be relying on the intent of the Framers of the Constitution, but rather what is rational and logical in these times with the type of personal firepower that is available. You can't fall back on saying that the Framers intended to never have our 2nd Amendment right infringed upon in any shape or form when in fact, the Framers specifically declared a militia to be made up of men, under the age of 45.

So that gets us back to whether it is reasonable to establish gun laws which are designed to help protect the general population from mass shootings.

I'd like to know the rationale behind needing a high capacity magazine for the average citizen who wishes to own a handgun for personal protection. Zombies?

Where did the framers say the militia was men under age 45?

Also, when they carried their "military-grade weapons" (smoothbore muskets with bayonets affixed) out onto the green to fight the redcoats, wouldn't that indicate they felt it necessary for privately armed folks to have "personal firepower" equal to what the military had?

Hey, you're using the framers argument here so I'll go with it. What say you about them having privately-owned cannons and field pieces? Did they just kind of forget about them when they wrote the 2A?

are the barrett rifles able to be owned by private (non leo/military) peoples in ireland?

Hmm. So mere possession (nevermind import) is illegal? Well then how on earth did they ever get them there?

They were sent by Irish American terrorist sympathizers of which there are plenty in the North East - especially Boston and Chicago

In the mail?

the US where the only reason is it compensates for your tiny ding a ling and feelings of inadequacy

Same rule as sports cars with long hoods - you know how it goes - every Napoleon needs one

I'm wondering who has a tiny dingaling. The man who takes charge of his own safety and security or the man who allows someone else to do it for him?

If they limited it to 10 rounds it would just exercise my fingers a little more - no big deal and not enough for me to drive to washington and slay the government like some would

Who would drive to washington and slay the government with "illegal" 30 rd. magazines?

[Captain Oates 911]

Fortunately you won't have to. There will be no magazine restrictions and the ones that exist in states will soon be struck down under Heller and McDonald.

I agree that it doesn't make much sense coz changing a mag is only a matter of 3 seconds if you let the empty one drop - and that is taking it easy.

Also in this latest shooting incident, the mag spring jammed the glock ! A glock jamming ! It never does that with a standard mag but bozo bought a 30 round mag thing

If he had been using say standard 10 round or 17 round mags he could have kept shooting all day and all year without a jam. I do.

On that basis, 30 round mags on 9mm should be made compulsory - too big to conceal and liable to jam

[natty bumppo 297]

I agree that it doesn't make much sense coz changing a mag is only a matter of 3 seconds if you let the empty one drop - and that is taking it easy.

Also in this latest shooting incident, the mag spring jammed the glock ! A glock jamming ! It never does that with a standard mag but bozo bought a 30 round mag thing

If he had been using say standard 10 round or 17 round mags he could have kept shooting all day and all year without a jam. I do.

On that basis, 30 round mags on 9mm should be made compulsory - too big to conceal and liable to jam

i've seen them jam with std mags. it does happen.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I agree that it doesn't make much sense coz changing a mag is only a matter of 3 seconds if you let the empty one drop - and that is taking it easy.

Also in this latest shooting incident, the mag spring jammed the glock ! A glock jamming ! It never does that with a standard mag but bozo bought a 30 round mag thing

If he had been using say standard 10 round or 17 round mags he could have kept shooting all day and all year without a jam. I do.

On that basis, 30 round mags on 9mm should be made compulsory - too big to conceal and liable to jam

That is ironic, some may claim that the magazine saved lives.............

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

That is ironic, some may claim that the magazine saved lives.............

Probably Steven as soon as he reads this.

[Captain Oates 911]

i've seen them jam with std mags. it does happen.

Not with mine - I keep it very clean and oiled just right - and the ammo too .. most people never clean theirs and have em in their pockets with fluff and snot and toffee and all sorts

A 30 round mag on a 9 would need a pretty nice spring to keep a consistent feed and they aren't as tested as standard mags - so I reckon he was showboating and acting like he was a deranged brat for some reason

17 round mags are easy to manipulate and conceal and quick to change - if splat nose Palin and her ** army ever comes to impound my cat as a reprisal for laughing at boo-hoo Boehner's beer crying, I would defend her virginity equipped with 17's