New grads and the nursing shortage

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

lol and yikes, all at the same time. i don't disagree that there are some real dumbass nurses out there, but talk to enough of the non dumbass ones and they'll give you some pretty hair raising stories about drs that don't know their heads from their asses either. and they should be able to tell their heads from their asses-they had to take a lot more extensive anatomy courses than we ever had to. as long as drs and nurses work together, they will talk ###### about each other.

This is why you should ask plenty of questions until you understand completely before starting any treatment, including: 1)What is the condition that is being treated 2) What happens if the condition is not treated 3)What is the treatment to be used 4) What other treatments are available 5) What are the side effects and possible complications resulting from the treatment 6) Has this treatment been effective in treating other patients, and 7)What has been the doctor's experience treating other patients with a similar condition and what was the result.

Medical professionals rely more and more on pro rata treatment plans, therfore you are stuck with the approved treatment, so ask also what happens is this treatment doesn't work. It sucks, but often before you can receive effective treatment, you have to undergo the less expensive, and less reliable treatments first. I don't understand how that is saving money in the long run, but that seems to be the way modern medicine rolls.

[james&olya 1,121]

I think they call that a "market correction"..... no need for tax money to try to manipulate the job market.

But the point is, are you OK with the consequences to a lot of very real people of this 'market correction'?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Move to a border area with Canada where most of the hosptial patients are refugees from the Canadian system and there is a shortage. We have a couple nurse friends here and they are still getting 40 hours pay if they agree to work two- 12 hour shifts on weekends.

We need nurses in Vermont, particularly bi-lingual French/English speakers. We cannot offer warm winter weather, but summer is to die for.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

But the point is, are you OK with the consequences to a lot of very real people of this 'market correction'?

There need be no consequences. There are plenty of nursing jobs and other medical care jobs that trained nurses can make a good living at. Given the demographics there is no reason that would change, generally, in the next few decades...at least until all of us "baby boomers" croak off.

I cannot say what will happen if we actually ever get government control of health care here, in Canada they all run down here and give business to our nurses, and to our retailers to avoid the 15% sales tax to pay for health care. Where are we supposed to go?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

One of the problems we have here is the demand for nurses far exceeds the local ability to train them. UVM has a small program and so does Vermont Tech, and that's about it. Going over to NY at SUNY Plattsburg is too expensive just in travel ($18/day just for the ferry?)

We have to get our nurses trained elsewhere.

[Danno 1,228]

But the point is, are you OK with the consequences to a lot of very real people of this 'market correction'?

NOt sure what being "ok" means in this context but I do absolutely accept that some people get left behind as the economy or technology changes.

I don't think that the hiring for nursing is that bad, as I mentioned my daughter with no experience got a job at a hospital in Fla.... she disliked Fla but soon enough she will have enough experience to relocate to a place she might like.

One of the big problems in my view IS THE GOVT helping people.

And because the Govt helps, people do not feel compelled to relocate geographically or vocationally..... they just sit and wait for things to improve, sometimes for decades.

Look at those people in once thriving Appalachian towns, the Coal is now automated and the Steel jobs are gone but because of hand outs, these folks stay in the one place they have no future.

You can say the same for Detroit and other areas.

Consider this, the Stock market crash happened in '29.

For all the money spent by FDR, to right the economy and despite the fact that we were manufacturing enough goods to arm Britton and Russia, the unemployment rate never got down below 10%....

until we inducted nearly every eligible man in the Military by the 1940's.

The Governments roll is referee not player.

Edited January 10, 2011 by Danno

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yep

Blame it on what you will but people are no longer born in Oakville OH and live all their lives there, marrying a shoe salesman and living on Maple street. It is a national and global market. why? Because you can go from New York to California in 6 hours, not 6 months. Because we can meet and marry women from Ukraine and Russia. Because I can debate with a guy in Michigan without leaving my office in Vermont...my HOME office.

One has to be willing to relocate to use the education they have. Trying to plant oneself in one place and waiting for someone to build a hospital there is silly. It is also silly to think that a nurse can only work in a hospital. There are more opportunities than ever for nurses, particularly if they are nurse practioners.

Look at it as an adventure. Working in Ukraine was the greatest adventure of my life. My children have the opportunity to travel to places I never dreamed of when I was their age.

Just never take anything off the table.

[james&olya 1,121]

NOt sure what being "ok" means in this context but I do absolutely accept that some people get left behind as the economy or technology changes.

I don't think that the hiring for nursing is that bad, as I mentioned my daughter with no experience got a job at a hospital in Fla.... she disliked Fla but soon enough she will have enough experience to relocate to a place she might like.

One of the big problems in my view IS THE GOVT helping people.

And because the Govt helps, people do not feel compelled to relocate geographically or vocationally..... they just sit and wait for things to improve, sometimes for decades.

Look at those people in once thriving Appalachian towns, the Coal is now automated and the Steel jobs are gone but because of hand outs, these folks stay in the one place they have no future.

You can say the same for Detroit and other areas.

Consider this, the Stock market crash happened in '29.

For all the money spent by FDR, to right the economy and despite the fact that we were manufacturing enough goods to arm Britton and Russia, the unemployment rate never got down below 10%....

until we inducted nearly every eligible man in the Military by the 1940's.

The Governments roll is referee not player.

OK, I agree on the aspect of this relative to employment as a nurse. But at the risk of straying slightly off topic, my question had to do with whether readers here are OK with the consequences to patients as the need they have for medical and nursing care is there but cuts in benefits mean that no-one will be paying the nurses and they will be moving elsewhere, taking other jobs.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

OK, I agree on the aspect of this relative to employment as a nurse. But at the risk of straying slightly off topic, my question had to do with whether readers here are OK with the consequences to patients as the need they have for medical and nursing care is there but cuts in benefits mean that no-one will be paying the nurses and they will be moving elsewhere, taking other jobs.

What do think will happen when the government really takes over health care? Or I should say "payment for healthcare"?

Jim, there are 4 times the MRI locations in Burlington (population 50,000) than there is in Montreal (population 2 million) What about the nurses that work at radiology clinics? Are there more of them in Montreal? Or Burlington? Go ask the people in Sault Ste marie who is filling their hospital beds. Look at the classified of the "Seven Days" newspaper (Burlington, it is online) and see how many healthcare jobs are offered. Check out how many specify "bi lingual preferred" They don't mean Spanish bi lingual, they mean FRENCH bi lingual. Hmmm. Wonder why they would want French speaking nurses in Burlington VT? Who would imagine? Fletcher Allen Health Center does an astounding 5000 heart bypass/and or cardiac catherizations per year. FIVE THOUSAND! It is a cath lab factory and they have one of the fastest procedure times for opening a blocked cardiac artery anywhere in the US. The population is 50,000! You mean in 10 years they do a cath or bypass on EVERY person in Burlington? Nope. It is all those Quebecois getting the Viande Feu (smoked meat) snaked out of their hearts. Seriously this hospital rivals those in any large American city and is just a mega-complex spread all over the area. Our Family practice is from them, my Endochronologist is from them, they have satellite offices everywhere...and they need lots of nurses (check out careers at Fletcher Allen) they have a separate HR department JUSt for hiring nurses.

[james&olya 1,121]

What do think will happen when the government really takes over health care? Or I should say "payment for healthcare"?

Jim, there are 4 times the MRI locations in Burlington (population 50,000) than there is in Montreal (population 2 million) What about the nurses that work at radiology clinics? Are there more of them in Montreal? Or Burlington? Go ask the people in Sault Ste marie who is filling their hospital beds. Look at the classified of the "Seven Days" newspaper (Burlington, it is online) and see how many healthcare jobs are offered. Check out how many specify "bi lingual preferred" They don't mean Spanish bi lingual, they mean FRENCH bi lingual. Hmmm. Wonder why they would want French speaking nurses in Burlington VT? Who would imagine? Fletcher Allen Health Center does an astounding 5000 heart bypass/and or cardiac catherizations per year. FIVE THOUSAND! It is a cath lab factory and they have one of the fastest procedure times for opening a blocked cardiac artery anywhere in the US. The population is 50,000! You mean in 10 years they do a cath or bypass on EVERY person in Burlington? Nope. It is all those Quebecois getting the Viande Feu (smoked meat) snaked out of their hearts. Seriously this hospital rivals those in any large American city and is just a mega-complex spread all over the area. Our Family practice is from them, my Endochronologist is from them, they have satellite offices everywhere...and they need lots of nurses (check out careers at Fletcher Allen) they have a separate HR department JUSt for hiring nurses.

Do you really think we will have national health insurance? It will require tax INCREASES and that seems impossible in the current political climate. I wonder what will happen to health care delivery in this country as the government source of payment for same is drastically trimmed. Of course, maybe the population does an about face when it realizes that the tea party slogans have real life consequences when written into law. I think many people want to have their cake (tax cuts) and eat it too (continue getting government paid benefits). It cannot continue. Our current budget deficit is huge and we cannot continue at current levels of expenditure relative to revenue! The consequences of ending medicaid and cutting medicare will be huge and not just on the beneficiaries!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Do you really think we will have national health insurance? It will require tax INCREASES and that seems impossible in the current political climate. I wonder what will happen to health care delivery in this country as the government source of payment for same is drastically trimmed. Of course, maybe the population does an about face when it realizes that the tea party slogans have real life consequences when written into law. I think many people want to have their cake (tax cuts) and eat it too (continue getting government paid benefits). It cannot continue. Our current budget deficit is huge and we cannot continue at current levels of expenditure relative to revenue! The consequences of ending medicaid and cutting medicare will be huge and not just on the beneficiaries!

I hope we don't have government health care, especially if it cuts out all our Canadian neighbors. I would probably have to move from this area as I cannot be going to Boston or New York all the time for medical needs and the facilities we have here would surely be closed if it were not for the the Canadian medical system refugees that support them. There are not enough people in this entire state to support the medical facilities we enjoy. Only the fact that 2 million underserved Canadians live just across the border support that.

Any nurse that needs a job...check out Burlington VT