Second K-1 Visa

[visawandering 1]

thank you for addressing my questions directly vaphuong. I am looking for reassurance in the form of a real world example, as I have said. I didn't come here for advice, I came for applicable experience. Why people who have nothing to offer say anything is beyond me. If I were to do this, I would probably want at least one case occurring that was similar before I am comfortable proceeding. Your answer does reaffirm what I thought to be true, because it is the case. Thanks again.

[Barbara J 115]

From what I have read --I think (and correct me if I am wrong ) she is using u guys both . She is playing the field .She may have used the guy to get a visa to come here , then used you as a ticket to get settled and then moved on . I think the whole scheme smells ''fishy'' and quacks like a duck .To my knowledge --her fiancee can get her deported if she changes her mind about marrying him unless she voluntary goes back home within the 90 days . I think she will get a hard time the next time around at her interview (if you file for her ) . Get some good legal advise before becoming another ''sucker''. Good luck .

I am so with you on this smells bad to me too

[Fandango 1,439]

Why not just marry her while she is here, not have her go back, and adjust status? As long as you are both completely honest about how things transpired, I think it will work out....

Please at least have some knowledge before handing out advice that could potentially bar someone from the country...

[coraliesolms 47]

Well, this forum is also a sounding board for plans. If 9 out of 10 people on this forum (none of which are trained consular officials) say that her story sounds very strange and there is probably something else going on there, then you can be SURE that the consular official doing her interview will have many red flags raised in his or her head as well.

Please try not to take offense, but understand that walking this path could be very tricky for you and your companion. Be very careful, the consulate will most likely suspect that some kind of fraud is going on, perhaps not with you, but they will grill her.

[Amy and Nick 37]

To back up Jim's comment, the reason VJ is SUCH an invaluable resource to everyone here is because the users give your situation a level of scrutiny that is only going to be doubled when the beneficiary comes face-to-face with the consular officer.

WE are looking at this from an outsiders perspective, in the exact same way that the consular officer will be.

If you can address the issues that the users here are posting, then you may have a better chance at being successful with the petition.

You may not like what you hear, but if you want to succeed I would re-read ALL the posts in this thread, and bear in mind that when applying for any kind of visa, you are voluntarily opening your relationship up to governmental agencies who are SPECIFICALLY looking for fraud.

We all want you to succeed, that is why we are trying to help.

[Channah&Aaron 51]

Fishy!!!

[Shenzhen 34]

thank you for addressing my questions directly vaphuong. I am looking for reassurance in the form of a real world example, as I have said. I didn't come here for advice, I came for applicable experience. Why people who have nothing to offer say anything is beyond me. If I were to do this, I would probably want at least one case occurring that was similar before I am comfortable proceeding. Your answer does reaffirm what I thought to be true, because it is the case. Thanks again.

I just started thinking why would the petitioner buy her a plane ticket to come here and then not show up at the airport to pick her up? Just thinking out loud. I have filed 2 previous petitions for the Philippines I too have a bad record. Where as you have a clean record. From my experience a second chance is nothing but a hassle. I actually filed and withdrew 2 fiance petitions for the 2 girls in the Philippines. It's a long story, after those 2 bad experiences. Didn't seem bad cuz I withdrew them. I decided to forget the Philippines and start fresh. I decided to look into China figuring the USCIS would see I am on a totally different country. Not filing a fiancee visa, but a spousal visa. Anyway it's expensive it's a hassle and a big delay. I am being scrutinized to the nth degree. I did nothing wrong. The first girl didn't want to come here failed the interview and told them I was committing visa fraud. I got a letter 2 years later stating that in 1-2010. I filed for my spousal Visa in 2-13-10. I got married and had a wedding in China back 11-09. The USCIS took 7 &1/2 months to approve me. My attorney was supposed to file the papers in 11-15. I called the NVC they didn't receive them yet. He had to resend them. I don't know what happened.

Whew you get one chance with the USCIS they are a tough bunch. I got interrogated in 12-10 by the Customs and border patrol & or immigrations and customs enforcement. That was my 3rd trip coming back from China for the sole purpose of visiting my wife. what a hassle. I was told I would probably be put on advance parole too. Anyhow your clean she's not. It makes it harder for you. The money you will spend on a lawyer you could buy a ticker to meet someone else file a fiance visa and have her here in 6 months. Your definetly in for a not so simple case to say the least. I am talking from experience. I have searched and read a few other similar stories here like yours. I am not saying to forget her. The CO will smell something is not right just because they can. My wife has nothing to do with the Philippines yet she's the one being punished. I made some bad decisions. I was not informed of how the whole process worked. I finally find my SO and now I have to go through hell to get her here. We will persevere. On top of all that I ended up with a lame #### lawyer. When we had the chance to get through the NVC he dropped the ball. If you did it yourself with someone else you wouldn't even need a lawyer. That's going to cost you at least $2k or more. When it's all said and done.

[maymayann 0]

weird...

Edited January 9, 2011 by maymayann

[visawandering 1]

I just started thinking why would the petitioner buy her a plane ticket to come here and then not show up at the airport to pick her up? Just thinking out loud. I have filed 2 previous petitions for the Philippines I too have a bad record. Where as you have a clean record. From my experience a second chance is nothing but a hassle. I actually filed and withdrew 2 fiance petitions for the 2 girls in the Philippines. It's a long story, after those 2 bad experiences. Didn't seem bad cuz I withdrew them. I decided to forget the Philippines and start fresh. I decided to look into China figuring the USCIS would see I am on a totally different country. Not filing a fiancee visa, but a spousal visa. Anyway it's expensive it's a hassle and a big delay. I am being scrutinized to the nth degree. I did nothing wrong. The first girl didn't want to come here failed the interview and told them I was committing visa fraud. I got a letter 2 years later stating that in 1-2010. I filed for my spousal Visa in 2-13-10. I got married and had a wedding in China back 11-09. The USCIS took 7 &1/2 months to approve me. My attorney was supposed to file the papers in 11-15. I called the NVC they didn't receive them yet. He had to resend them. I don't know what happened.

Whew you get one chance with the USCIS they are a tough bunch. I got interrogated in 12-10 by the Customs and border patrol & or immigrations and customs enforcement. That was my 3rd trip coming back from China for the sole purpose of visiting my wife. what a hassle. I was told I would probably be put on advance parole too. Anyhow your clean she's not. It makes it harder for you. The money you will spend on a lawyer you could buy a ticker to meet someone else file a fiance visa and have her here in 6 months. Your definetly in for a not so simple case to say the least. I am talking from experience. I have searched and read a few other similar stories here like yours. I am not saying to forget her. The CO will smell something is not right just because they can. My wife has nothing to do with the Philippines yet she's the one being punished. I made some bad decisions. I was not informed of how the whole process worked. I finally find my SO and now I have to go through hell to get her here. We will persevere. On top of all that I ended up with a lame #### lawyer. When we had the chance to get through the NVC he dropped the ball. If you did it yourself with someone else you wouldn't even need a lawyer. That's going to cost you at least $2k or more. When it's all said and done.

One attorney suggested that we 'reset' the beginning of our relationship to several months after she gets back. Have her send a letter to the consulate explaining why she did not go through with the marriage. Then visit her next January and apply for the K-1 when I return.

[pookaphilus 12]

as is evidenced through my subtle allusions to the 'arrangement' of the K-1 visa petitioner with a member her family, he is not a man in love. and, as i have said, none of this was planned. these are the parts where you should pay more attention...

oh..did I miss something??..we were just trying to explain things and give you some thoughts to ponder..if you ever felt that we might not be helping you, we shouldn't have waste our time responding.. ohh btw, here's more since you said that we "should" pay attention...hmmm..I'll take risk to what I perceived that has happened..I'm not psychic but it's somehow possible...here's the scenario..you mentioned on your past post that you even gave her your consent to marry the man(as far as I can remember)..wow, are you that important to her??...hmm, it made me think, you know, the same thing scam girls do, marry their petitioner then find a way to divorce them, applied for her GC and get marry again with the person they really love..simple as using another person just to get what she wants..made me think that the original petitioner was able to find out regarding her intentions or maybe caught her...sorry to say this but it really make us wonder how come she will still keep your address/phone #..and oh btw, she's so lucky coz the man whom she will get marry also lives closer to where you live at least it was easy for you to get to the airport when she called..& you're having a great time dating now..btw, does she have a round trip ticket or you will be the one paying for her ticket back..if you really do care for her, you could have just tell her to go back to Phil as soon as she can..then she can notify the embassy regarding what her petitioner did to her(if she was telling the truth)..then maybe, you can start having a new relationship together..you can't use as evidence of meeting the times when you are together now since the USCIS knew that she should be there spending that time with the petitioner and get married...it's not too late if you want to start a "genuine relationship"..after maybe a few months,then after you can visit her in Phil, you can file for I-129F..by that time, the embassy will not see any fraud and you may be able to use your old emails, chatlogs..which shows that you met for quite long already then didn't work, then you get acquainted again..there's been alot of cases like this before & they were able to get approval again...

we're not here to judge..we all have been through with the same difficulties of these visa petitions..we are here to share & learn from others...it's really sad to know that people doesn't care at all whether they step into or hurt other people just to get what they want(KARMA knocks sometimes..better watch out..)..as to the OP, you seem to know the answers to your questions..why won't you just stop asking then..we really hope & pray you find solution to your problems..we are here to help and we are sorry if we ever made you feel bad..God bless you!!..

P.S. - to the admin..when it comes to respect, I have respect for everyone as I do for myself..I don't have any intentions to insult the OP with regards to the statements I wrote above..I was just explaining because he tends to question each member's attentiveness regarding his post..hoping for your understanding..Thank you. -Maria

[VanessaTony 3,567]

One attorney suggested that we 'reset' the beginning of our relationship to several months after she gets back. Have her send a letter to the consulate explaining why she did not go through with the marriage. Then visit her next January and apply for the K-1 when I return.

Okay I am going to be a bit more direct.

1. Using this current visit as the basis for applying for the K1 is not good and the risk of denial is high

2. Using another a subsequent visit is MUCH better and I think this raises your chances of success

Just to elaborate on the above. Meeting on her failed K1 isn't the issue, as friends that's not a problem, it's meeting on that failed K1 and then applying immediately and with hardly any other "new" relationship evidence. I personally think it looks much better that she arrived, you flew to her aide, you chatted and got closer, then you waited and spoke more, revisted her and THAT'S when you decided you definitely had something special. It's at that stage that using the previous friendship stuff is fine. You've known her a while and that's good, but it was never extremely romantic (based on what you posted previously).

3. As Jim stated, Manilla does NOT appreciate co-sponsors for K1 visas but they are sometimes accepted.

The "sometimes" are usually when someone was/is a student and their co-sponsor signs an I-864 (because it's binding). The reason for that is they know the income should get better.

4. How long to wait? I would wait until you have visited her yourself. It gives you time to really decide if you want to be with her.

In all honestly though it will be very suspicious to them (even after waiting to file), that she arrived on the K1 and nothing came of it BUT as long as she doesn't overstay, she hasn't done anything wrong. Sometimes relationships fail but she didn't exploit it by trying to overstay. Or marrying someone else.

Good luck though. You might be up for a LONG ride.

[TBoneTX 45,324]

To back up Jim's comment, the reason VJ is SUCH an invaluable resource to everyone here is because the users give your situation a level of scrutiny that is only going to be doubled when the beneficiary comes face-to-face with the consular officer.

WE are looking at this from an outsiders perspective, in the exact same way that the consular officer will be.

If you can address the issues that the users here are posting, then you may have a better chance at being successful with the petition.

You may not like what you hear, but if you want to succeed I would re-read ALL the posts in this thread, and bear in mind that when applying for any kind of visa, you are voluntarily opening your relationship up to governmental agencies who are SPECIFICALLY looking for fraud.

We all want you to succeed, that is why we are trying to help.

This post in particular, rivaled by the posts of Jim, Mari, Maria, and others, merits enshrinement in the pantheon of All-Time VJ Posts.

Lloyd, please look at the "+1" totals on the above people's posts. It's not just an inbred, prejudiced, or closed-minded crowd that's reading this thread; it's a large (perhaps largely silent) audience of VJ members, many of whom are speaking with their votes rather than posting full comments.

[Mariye & Ky 172]

I’m going to call you out so you understand why so many good, honest and genuine VJ members could not answer you directly. Also, so you own your own behavior and part in this with mature accountability. Since reading your post and replies, it leaves me with a heavy heart to see the veil over your eyes and for this I'm very sorry.

Many like as Jim, Vanessa, Maria, T-Bone, Amy & Nick, gave much effort to answer you in regards to meeting the K1 requirements and the time suggestions so as to develop your relationship. From what I read (and where it gets sticky), members attempted to answer you and requested detailed information. Some raised a plethora of questions about the information you listed in post#1. Several said inquiry and scrutiny would be raised not only by this community but from the CO to the nth degree! That was not pointed solely at you, but anyone who is requesting a Visa.

I feel it has been unwarranted to use admonishment and chastise in a poised manner towards posters accusing us for not paying attention to your subtle-allusions (post#70), your subtexts (post#57), and unwillingness to provide detailed information (post #18).

You know what? We were.

At first, I could not fathom why anyone would become so defensive when we asked for more details, until you told me (post#55) that it should be obvious that you are “speaking in the hypothetical.”

This whole time the original post was hypothetical and yet you never stated that DIRECTLY to US. You assumed we would 'just know'. The thread carried on alluding to the fact that your situation was indeed reality; therefore, we were left to believe you and the statements you published. How could we answer anything directly and to your satisfaction if you made up the rules as we went along? And by YOUR judgment over us, we were verbally punished to make up for our lack of understanding, inequities, or as you put it, ill-informed misinterpretation.

How unfair and really, I see it as badgering the greater VJ community members who were truthfully and sincerely trying to help you. Yet as many said, it doesn’t fail the constant process that continues to come to mind: Is this relationship entirely hypothetical and a sham of premeditated fraud for a Visa? Sorry, not judgment but most likely the same question the CO will ask by deduction of information you’re providing. (Hypothetical or not)

Lastly, I asked you if you were also superlloyd because I thought somebody could edit our posts besides us. Since your OP name is Visawandering and I kept seeing superlloyd editing beneath your replies, even that was bit confusing. That was not meant as an insult but an attempt to gain understanding of VJ navigation. I looked up the profile out of curiosity. I found these:

• superlloyd, Posted 25 February 2010 - 09:10 PM

My ex-wife has a restraining order on me from 10 years ago when I plead guilty to a charge of aggravated assault. Will I still have a chance of bringing my fiancee over on a K-1 from the Philippines? Is this the same girl as you hypothetically speak of who is with you now?

• superlloyd, on 06 January 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

does anyone have any knowledge of a person here on a K-1 visa that married someone other than the petitioner, applied for a CR-1 with the new spouse and went back to their country within the 90 day period successfully obtaining the CR-1? <BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break">

A very well respected VJ member answered that for you. I hope you got what you needed. But as Maria says above, reminds me of what scammers would do. To my knowledge, Visa Fraud is a Federal Offense and in my humble opinion a mockery of the Country we love and live in.

Now, you say we do not pay attention and I would go so far to say that few more looked at those postings too. But from that series of questions you posted last year and the other day, and the lack of information you give in this thread, accusing us consistently while trying to answer you, both of those in addition to this thread appear as calculating to me. Now is it that difficult for you to grasp why so many were confused and needed clarification?

I don’t take to well to abuse, verbal or other, and I will defend those whom you reprimanded because this VJ media is invaluable to so many. While you and your friend hypothetically visit one another, the rest of us live in reality and are very serious about our Visa Journeys. We are in love with our beneficiary or petitioner. We are authentic people involved in legitimate, committed relationships. The support and friendships made around the world should be respected and an example to you of the innocent people you freely and sharply rebuke! We were being honest to help answer your post, hypothetical or not. We respect(ed) you even if you did not respect the rest of us. Understand?

Maybe you should pay attention… to your behavior. Please note* THAT was the only thing direct and obvious.

Mari

PS: I forgot to mention, several of us have very forgiving hearts. Now why don’t you really come join a very supportive community with pleasant attitude so that maybe you can be with your beloved… legally?

[visawandering 1]

I’m going to call you out so you understand why so many good, honest and genuine VJ members could not answer you directly. Also, so you own your own behavior and part in this with mature accountability. Since reading your post and replies, it leaves me with a heavy heart to see the veil over your eyes and for this I'm very sorry.

Many like as Jim, Vanessa, Maria, T-Bone, Amy & Nick, gave much effort to answer you in regards to meeting the K1 requirements and the time suggestions so as to develop your relationship. From what I read (and where it gets sticky), members attempted to answer you and requested detailed information. Some raised a plethora of questions about the information you listed in post#1. Several said inquiry and scrutiny would be raised not only by this community but from the CO to the nth degree! That was not pointed solely at you, but anyone who is requesting a Visa.

I feel it has been unwarranted to use admonishment and chastise in a poised manner towards posters accusing us for not paying attention to your subtle-allusions (post#70), your subtexts (post#57), and unwillingness to provide detailed information (post #18).

You know what? We were.

At first, I could not fathom why anyone would become so defensive when we asked for more details, until you told me (post#55) that it should be obvious that you are “speaking in the hypothetical.”

This whole time the original post was hypothetical and yet you never stated that DIRECTLY to US. You assumed we would 'just know'. The thread carried on alluding to the fact that your situation was indeed reality; therefore, we were left to believe you and the statements you published. How could we answer anything directly and to your satisfaction if you made up the rules as we went along? And by YOUR judgment over us, we were verbally punished to make up for our lack of understanding, inequities, or as you put it, ill-informed misinterpretation.

How unfair and really, I see it as badgering the greater VJ community members who were truthfully and sincerely trying to help you. Yet as many said, it doesn’t fail the constant process that continues to come to mind: Is this relationship entirely hypothetical and a sham of premeditated fraud for a Visa? Sorry, not judgment but most likely the same question the CO will ask by deduction of information you’re providing. (Hypothetical or not)

Lastly, I asked you if you were also superlloyd because I thought somebody could edit our posts besides us. Since your OP name is Visawandering and I kept seeing superlloyd editing beneath your replies, even that was bit confusing. That was not meant as an insult but an attempt to gain understanding of VJ navigation. I looked up the profile out of curiosity. I found these:

• superlloyd, Posted 25 February 2010 - 09:10 PM

My ex-wife has a restraining order on me from 10 years ago when I plead guilty to a charge of aggravated assault. Will I still have a chance of bringing my fiancee over on a K-1 from the Philippines? Is this the same girl as you hypothetically speak of who is with you now?

• superlloyd, on 06 January 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

does anyone have any knowledge of a person here on a K-1 visa that married someone other than the petitioner, applied for a CR-1 with the new spouse and went back to their country within the 90 day period successfully obtaining the CR-1? <BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break">

A very well respected VJ member answered that for you. I hope you got what you needed. But as Maria says above, reminds me of what scammers would do. To my knowledge, Visa Fraud is a Federal Offense and in my humble opinion a mockery of the Country we love and live in.

Now, you say we do not pay attention and I would go so far to say that few more looked at those postings too. But from that series of questions you posted last year and the other day, and the lack of information you give in this thread, accusing us consistently while trying to answer you, both of those in addition to this thread appear as calculating to me. Now is it that difficult for you to grasp why so many were confused and needed clarification?

I don’t take to well to abuse, verbal or other, and I will defend those whom you reprimanded because this VJ media is invaluable to so many. While you and your friend hypothetically visit one another, the rest of us live in reality and are very serious about our Visa Journeys. We are in love with our beneficiary or petitioner. We are authentic people involved in legitimate, committed relationships. The support and friendships made around the world should be respected and an example to you of the innocent people you freely and sharply rebuke! We were being honest to help answer your post, hypothetical or not. We respect(ed) you even if you did not respect the rest of us. Understand?

Maybe you should pay attention… to your behavior. Please note* THAT was the only thing direct and obvious.

Mari

PS: I forgot to mention, several of us have very forgiving hearts. Now why don’t you really come join a very supportive community with pleasant attitude so that maybe you can be with your beloved… legally?

hypothetical as in a possible eventuality; not a fictional situation. just...hilarious.

[KemalTuanaYalcin 16]

hypothetical as in a possible eventuality; not a fictional situation. just...hilarious.

Don't be a hater, just accept your behavior!!!!!!!!