Initial I-129F packet, proof of having met in the last two years question. Did I include enough evidence?

[J / A 0]

Well I finally did it. After weeks of putting the I-129F packet together, I mailed it off earlier today. I have a few questions now, one of which in regards to showing proof of a relationship.

For this my fiance and I separately typed up, signed and dated a statement of how we met and our relationship up until this point. I also included various photographs dating from April 2008 when we met, photos of her and I with her parents in Germany in July 2008, her and I Christmas date 2008, Thanksgiving Dinner with my mother and grandmother November 2009, her and I in a photo dated July 2010 up until a photo of the moment I was on my knees proposing to her a month and a half ago in November. Instead of having the digital photographs printed at a CVS or a Walgreens, I pasted these photos into a word document and underneath each photo wrote the date, location and information about the photo hoping that they will see a few years of relationship captured in photos through the various hair cuts and hair colors (in her case) from through the past 2 1/2 years. As well, I also included a copy of two tenacy agreements listing both her full name and my full name as joint tenants in a flat dated March 2009 and February 2010. I didn't find it necessary to dig up old recepits and tickets and what not as I thought this proof would be sufficient.

However, I'm a bit of a worrier and would hate for anything to prolong the process. Do you folks with more know how in this matter feel I provided enough evidence or do you think they will request more evidence (ie - me having to dig up old receipts and travel tickets etc)?

Thanks for your time,

- JP

Edited January 4, 2011 by J.P.

[jkelly07 120]

yes you need to dig up the boarding passes, the passport stamps,airline tickets,e.mails,phone records,hotal receipts atm statements,...pictures are not enough,evidence

[J / A 0]

yes you need to dig up the boarding passes, the passport stamps,airline tickets,e.mails,phone records,hotal receipts atm statements,...pictures are not enough,evidence

How about with the included joint tenancy agreement with letting agency signatures dating from March 2009 and Feb 2010 included as well?

[jkelly07 120]

you mailed it off, to bad you just post it today we could helped you , hope you don't get a rfe good luck

[J / A 0]

you mailed it off, to bad you just post it today we could helped you , hope you don't get a rfe good luck

Say I do get an RFE due to insufficient evidence, how long does this prolong the whole process?

My thinking was that having included a legal signed document (tenancy agreement) with both her and my name on it dating from March 2009 to August 2010, I didn't think we would run into much issues. Isn't that plus photos + statements enough proof?

Edited January 4, 2011 by J.P.

[jkelly07 120]

did you include letters from both of you intent to marry, and cover letter date and signed,

[J / A 0]

did you include letters from both of you intent to marry, and cover letter date and signed,

Yes, I mentioned the statements dated and signed from both of us in my initial post. These statements included intent to marry. A cover letter was also included, with a table of contents laying out everything included in the packet.

I followed every advice given in the pinned Guide on the front of this sub-forum. Went through everything with a fine tooth comb.

[jkelly07 120]

just wait and see maybe you are ok, if you get a rfe see what they ask for try to send it to them asap, hope for the best,

[Inky 1,110]

RFE can hold up a case by 2 weeks-ish but everything is backed up already and most people are waiting 6 months or more for approvals instead of the listed 5 months.

[jkelly07 120]

thanks inky do you think he has enough evidence

[J / A 0]

thanks inky do you think he has enough evidence

Yes, I too would like to know this. Another perspective is always good.

[Minya's wife 25]

Well I finally did it. After weeks of putting the I-129F packet together, I mailed it off earlier today. I have a few questions now, one of which in regards to showing proof of a relationship.

For this my fiance and I separately typed up, signed and dated a statement of how we met and our relationship up until this point. I also included various photographs dating from April 2008 when we met, photos of her and I with her parents in Germany in July 2008, her and I Christmas date 2008, Thanksgiving Dinner with my mother and grandmother November 2009, her and I in a photo dated July 2010 up until a photo of the moment I was on my knees proposing to her a month and a half ago in November. Instead of having the digital photographs printed at a CVS or a Walgreens, I pasted these photos into a word document and underneath each photo wrote the date, location and information about the photo hoping that they will see a few years of relationship captured in photos through the various hair cuts and hair colors (in her case) from through the past 2 1/2 years. As well, I also included a copy of two tenacy agreements listing both her full name and my full name as joint tenants in a flat dated March 2009 and February 2010. I didn't find it necessary to dig up old recepits and tickets and what not as I thought this proof would be sufficient.

However, I'm a bit of a worrier and would hate for anything to prolong the process. Do you folks with more know how in this matter feel I provided enough evidence or do you think they will request more evidence (ie - me having to dig up old receipts and travel tickets etc)?

Thanks for your time,

- JP

Specifically, the I-129F does not ask you for proof of relationship, it asks you to prove that you have met in person within 2 years of your filing the petition. For this purspose you can use airline boarding passes, passport stamps, itineraries, train tickets, atm withdrawals (in the country/city of your fiancee), hotel receipts, etc.

The lease agreement you included, while proving that you two 'met' in person, is not necessarily "primary" evidence....such as boarding passes or passport stamps would be...IMO. You've already sent the petition off...so no use stressing over it. I would still dig up those old receipts, boarding passes, and copy your passport and have it ready in case you get an RFE.

Here's more info on what is acceptable documentary proof.

[Inky 1,110]

thanks inky do you think he has enough evidence

Well, Canada has a friendship thing with America.. and even tho they have that I still included a lot more.

25 pictures

Snail Mail cards and package photocopys

Emails

MSN chats

Phone records

Ticket stubs, passport stamps, flight itinerary

Receipts from vacation spots together

intent letter from him and me

All spanning 3 years of dating. Our package was HUGE.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Primary evidence is any evidence from an unbiased third party who has no interest in whether you succeed, and which the adjudicator believes is likely to be credible and authentic. For this reason, I believe the lease is good primary evidence. The question is whether it will be enough to convince the adjudicator. If there's any way an adjudicator could conclude that you could have signed the lease without actually traveling abroad then it probably wouldn't be enough. They've seen people pull all kinds of tricks to get a visa for their internet sweetheart without having to travel around the world first.

Dig out all of those boarding passes, visas, passport stamps, or whatever you've got. Have them ready in case you get an RFE. The faster you respond to the RFE, the less it will delay your petition approval.

[Minya's wife 25]

Primary evidence is any evidence from an unbiased third party who has no interest in whether you succeed, and which the adjudicator believes is likely to be credible and authentic. For this reason, I believe the lease is good primary evidence. The question is whether it will be enough to convince the adjudicator. If there's any way an adjudicator could conclude that you could have signed the lease without actually traveling abroad then it probably wouldn't be enough. They've seen people pull all kinds of tricks to get a visa for their internet sweetheart without having to travel around the world first.

Dig out all of those boarding passes, visas, passport stamps, or whatever you've got. Have them ready in case you get an RFE. The faster you respond to the RFE, the less it will delay your petition approval.

As you say, is it credible enough for the adjudicator. There are countless sites having copies of lease agreements for public use...so it is possible to "fake" one. From what I can tell, the OP included the lease and photos...no other form of primary evidence, so it is very much up to how the adjudicator will see the petition. The other documentary proof should definitely be on hand, ready to go, in case of an RFE. Didn't I just see a thread recently where an I-129F was rejected outright for not having sufficient documentary proof of having met w/in the 2 years? I can't remember remember the particulars in that case, but I remember thinking, in that case, that they were proving their relationship and did not include proof of the meeting. I wonder why some 'overlook' this particular clause in the instructions?