"Valid for work only with DHS Authorisation"

[Kittyfang 6]

We just received my SSN card (yay!). The card say "Valid for work only with DHS Authorisation". I am wondering if that is a permanent thing... and if it will keep me from getting a bank account.

[canadian_wife 1,823]

It shouldn't. Once you get your green card you can have that removed from your card. Until then you'll need your EAD to work

Good luck

[patient2010 93]

you can have it removed once you get your Green Card and you can surely open up a bank account with it my fiance did....Good luck

[Maxximus1074 14]

you can have it removed once you get your Green Card and you can surely open up a bank account with it my fiance did....Good luck

Yup, agreed - I have my SSN for 8 years now (worked on campus during my F-1 status) and have a bank account, have/had utility bills in my name, rental agreements etc. .....oh and thanks Canadian_wife and Patient2010 for the info, I thought once my EAD card arrives in the mail I could get it removed already, but looks like not....I would have spent a day at the SSA office for just being turned away

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Kitty,

a bank account has nothing to do with a SSN. I have stated that many times before. You can be a Saudi Arabian oil sheik who never visited the US, living on a yacht harboring in Monaco, ready to transfer $50,000,000.00 from one of your bank accounts in Zürich or Lichtenstein to one in New York, and -- guess what -- you don't need a social security number or Green Card for it.

I -- personally -- have US accounts since 1986 when I first visited Florida as a tourist and since then have opened several US bank accounts for clients who were here in the US on a B1/B2 visa, the last one just a few months back. I never had any problems.

Banking has everything to do with money and business, and nothing to do with immigration, Green Card, and Social Services. Just because a bank drone who dropped out of High School early and has sh*t for brains told you so, doesn't make it true.

Secondly,

the Social Security card does not confer authorization to work. Not in the slightest. If seeking employment, and I-9 form has to be filled out. Here it asks if the person seeking employment is authorized to work in the US. Well, a US citizen is authorized to work, so showing a US birth certificate or US passport covers that. A lawful permanent resident (Green Card holder) is authorized to work. Showing the Green Card or EAD covers that. And somebody with a work visa is authorized to work. Showing the passport with the visa covers that.

Hence, if you are ready to sign up with an employer, you'll have to show your Green Card anyway. You probably don't have to show your SS card though; in most cases providing the number is enough. But even if you show your SS card, it really doesn't matter if it says nothing on it or reads "valid for work with DHS authorization only" because you have the DHS authorization and you need to show it in form of your Green Card anyway!

My Green Card was issued in 1991 and reads: "not valid for employment." I still have it and have never shown it to anybody, although I've been living in the US since 1992 now and have done a lot of things where I had to provide my SSN, including studying at UCLA for 4 years.

Therefore, if it rocks your boat, get another card, but you really don't have to.

[Kittyfang 6]

Kitty,

a bank account has nothing to do with a SSN. I have stated that many times before. You can be a Saudi Arabian oil sheik who never visited the US, living on a yacht harboring in Monaco, ready to transfer $50,000,000.00 from one of your bank accounts in Zürich or Lichtenstein to one in New York, and -- guess what -- you don't need a social security number or Green Card for it.

I -- personally -- have US accounts since 1986 when I first visited Florida as a tourist and since then have opened several US bank accounts for clients who were here in the US on a B1/B2 visa, the last one just a few months back. I never had any problems.

Banking has everything to do with money and business, and nothing to do with immigration, Green Card, and Social Services. Just because a bank drone who dropped out of High School early and has sh*t for brains told you so, doesn't make it true.

Secondly,

the Social Security card does not confer authorization to work. Not in the slightest. If seeking employment, and I-9 form has to be filled out. Here it asks if the person seeking employment is authorized to work in the US. Well, a US citizen is authorized to work, so showing a US birth certificate or US passport covers that. A lawful permanent resident (Green Card holder) is authorized to work. Showing the Green Card or EAD covers that. And somebody with a work visa is authorized to work. Showing the passport with the visa covers that.

Hence, if you are ready to sign up with an employer, you'll have to show your Green Card anyway. You probably don't have to show your SS card though; in most cases providing the number is enough. But even if you show your SS card, it really doesn't matter if it says nothing on it or reads "valid for work with DHS authorization only" because you have the DHS authorization and you need to show it in form of your Green Card anyway!

My Green Card was issued in 1991 and reads: "not valid for employment." I still have it and have never shown it to anybody, although I've been living in the US since 1992 now and have done a lot of things where I had to provide my SSN, including studying at UCLA for 4 years.

Therefore, if it rocks your boat, get another card, but you really don't have to.

Very informative, as always.

All things considered, (if everything goes well)I think I will not "rock the boat". I already made one phone call and not only did it not help, but it messed things up.

[HeatDeath 430]

When you get your GC, you should go back down to the SSA office and show it to them. It will let them update their record of your immigration status (which apparently does make some kind of difference) and should not screw anything up. They'll issue you a new card automatically based on the records update. Shouldn't rock any kind of boat at all.

[juliava 80]

When you get your GC, you should go back down to the SSA office and show it to them. It will let them update their record of your immigration status (which apparently does make some kind of difference) and should not screw anything up. They'll issue you a new card automatically based on the records update. Shouldn't rock any kind of boat at all.

What happens if you have a GC but you don't update your Social Security card?I am just curious, as I haven't updated mine yet.

[HeatDeath 430]

What happens if you have a GC but you don't update your Social Security card?I am just curious, as I haven't updated mine yet.

At the very least, your SSC continues to show "Valid for work only with DHS authorization", so you continue to have to show employers an EAD or GC to get hired. When you have an unqualified SSC, you can just show it and a valid drivers license and be good to go. Of course, you still have to put your A# on the I-9, so it doesn't make too much difference either way, on that end of things.

Internally to the SSA, I don't know precisely what happens. I think it makes some difference to their procedures whether you have a GC or not, but probably not until you try to make a claim.

[mimi0418 0]

Kitty,

a bank account has nothing to do with a SSN. I have stated that many times before. You can be a Saudi Arabian oil sheik who never visited the US, living on a yacht harboring in Monaco, ready to transfer $50,000,000.00 from one of your bank accounts in Zürich or Lichtenstein to one in New York, and -- guess what -- you don't need a social security number or Green Card for it.

I -- personally -- have US accounts since 1986 when I first visited Florida as a tourist and since then have opened several US bank accounts for clients who were here in the US on a B1/B2 visa, the last one just a few months back. I never had any problems.

Banking has everything to do with money and business, and nothing to do with immigration, Green Card, and Social Services. Just because a bank drone who dropped out of High School early and has sh*t for brains told you so, doesn't make it true.

Secondly,

the Social Security card does not confer authorization to work. Not in the slightest. If seeking employment, and I-9 form has to be filled out. Here it asks if the person seeking employment is authorized to work in the US. Well, a US citizen is authorized to work, so showing a US birth certificate or US passport covers that. A lawful permanent resident (Green Card holder) is authorized to work. Showing the Green Card or EAD covers that. And somebody with a work visa is authorized to work. Showing the passport with the visa covers that.

Hence, if you are ready to sign up with an employer, you'll have to show your Green Card anyway. You probably don't have to show your SS card though; in most cases providing the number is enough. But even if you show your SS card, it really doesn't matter if it says nothing on it or reads "valid for work with DHS authorization only" because you have the DHS authorization and you need to show it in form of your Green Card anyway!

My Green Card was issued in 1991 and reads: "not valid for employment." I still have it and have never shown it to anybody, although I've been living in the US since 1992 now and have done a lot of things where I had to provide my SSN, including studying at UCLA for 4 years.

Therefore, if it rocks your boat, get another card, but you really don't have to.

[juliava 80]

At the very least, your SSC continues to show "Valid for work only with DHS authorization", so you continue to have to show employers an EAD or GC to get hired. When you have an unqualified SSC, you can just show it and a valid drivers license and be good to go. Of course, you still have to put your A# on the I-9, so it doesn't make too much difference either way, on that end of things.

Internally to the SSA, I don't know precisely what happens. I think it makes some difference to their procedures whether you have a GC or not, but probably not until you try to make a claim.

I've been thinking about this and I don't think it matters if you update it or not. I had the chance to hire USCs and I still had to submit form I-9 for them and the documentation requiered by it in those A, B, C columns. I do remember that based on form I-9, a SSC and a DL combo was not enough, even for a USC. One more form of picture ID was required.

I guess either way as you said, we still have to show an EAD or GC no matter what the SSC says.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Therefore, if it rocks your boat, get another card, but you really don't have to.

Bob, I agree with you in theory, but I want to add/ask one thing. I know you don't really need to get a new SSCard for practical reasons.. no one will see it, you have the authorization, etc. I am totally with you on that. But isn't it better to at least update your current US status with Social Security to that of LPR? I read in another thread about citizenship that once you become a Citizen, if you die, your spouse will get more social security then if you were a LPR. I imagine it is better to update your status to LPR instead of "work authorized alien" or whatever it is for the same reasons, is it not? Can they piece this information together from other sources or does it have to be registered with them to avoid a lengthy bureaucratic nightmare? Have any insight on that?

I mean, my mother told me to go to SS office and tell them I got married so they can update their records in case of death, but I still haven't, so it's not like I follow my own advice

I don't know if you'll find this buried in the progress forum, but maybe

[HeatDeath 430]

I've been thinking about this and I don't think it matters if you update it or not. I had the chance to hire USCs and I still had to submit form I-9 for them and the documentation requiered by it in those A, B, C columns. I do remember that based on form I-9, a SSC and a DL combo was not enough, even for a USC. One more form of picture ID was required.

I guess either way as you said, we still have to show an EAD or GC no matter what the SSC says.

They may have revised it since you used it, but I'm looking at the I-9 right now ( http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf ) and that combination should be fine.

The front of the form says quite clearly "Examine one document from List A OR examine one document from List B AND one from List C, as listed on the reverse of this form..."

The first item in List C is "Social Security Account Number card other than one that specifies on the face that the issuance of the card does not authorize employment in the United States". In other words, a normal, unqualified SSC like what you get when you go down and show the SSA that you have a GC, and what all USCs normally have.

The first item in List B is "Driver's license or ID card issued by a State or outlying possession of the United States provided it contains a photograph or information such as name, date of birth, gender, height, eye color, and address". In other words, a perfectly normal driver's license.

The only reason that combination would not work for a USC is if the particular state does not [or did not, if the applicant has an older card] put either photos or unique identifying information on their State ID cards or driver's licenses.

Edited January 6, 2011 by HeatDeath

[mayrita642 0]

I got my SSN yesterday. Its says "for work only" i just have a quick question. Can I use that number to change my status in school? Im stating a new semester and I would LOVE to pay less obviously!

btw this forum is very helpful.

thanks

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

I got my SSN yesterday. Its says "for work only" i just have a quick question. Can I use that number to change my status in school? Im stating a new semester and I would LOVE to pay less obviously!

btw this forum is very helpful.

thanks

I've never heard of a card reading "for work only."