Right-Wing Extremism: The Village Where the Neo-Nazis Rule

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I guess it is all relative to where you are standing at the time.

I suppose so. Many of my fathers engineer peers were going belly up on their real estate investments in the Houston area back when my dad decided to go try starting a small business back in India. While my father was busy realizing why this latest idea wasn't the best he ever had, his peers were fleeing the Houston area and either retiring (can you call it that if you're still in your 40s? lol) early or finding engineering work in the public sector at significantly lower wages. When my dad finally re-entered the workforce, it was also at a low salary, the kind he had last seen in his early days in the US in the early 70s. So yeah - I'm aware that having a degree does not inoculate one from anything. Market sectors behave differently and disruptive technologies... well, disrupt. And yet, the overall metrics are clear - educational level correlates strongly with employment levels and wage growth.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well that's fine and it makes sense but it has nothing to do with Neo-Nazism or fascism. It is a rational argument on how Anarcho-Capitalism is an extreme form of libertarianism. Don't get me wrong, i appreciate your comment and i do find it insightful.

Being close-minded is an authoritarian mindset, where one believes there is only one right answer to most everything.

[The_Dude 1,142]

There is a view that libertarianism could lead to fewer freedoms, rather than more.

If you minimise government and government oversight, you're putting control into the hands of the halliburtons and blackwaters. Rather than a general redistribution of power you get tyranny in different hands.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

-- Benito Mussolini.

"Fascism, which was not afraid to call itself reactionary... does not hesitate to call itself illiberal and anti-liberal."

--Benito Mussolini

[Dan and Judy 614]

Paul, i'm sorry, but i'll take the word of scholars over your opinion there. It is a far right ideology.

Fascism

Politics portalv d eFascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.^[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.^[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined extreme Sorelian syndicalist political views along with nationalism.^[7][8][9] Though normally described as being on the far right, there is a scholarly consensus that fascism was also influenced by the left, but with a focus on solutions from the right.^{[10][11][12][7][13]}

Edited January 3, 2011 by Dan and Judy

[Dan and Judy 614]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[luckytxn 2,265]

I appreciate your thoughts on it. It really seems that the left-right scale is arbitrary. As far as taking a political science course. I guess I could do that some day. For now i'm pretty busy with a full time job and i'm a more than half-time grad student. Also, I don't really feel comfortable expressing an opposing opinion to a professor when my grade is in his/her hands.

Don't worry a bit about the Socialist mindset here from many. They demand you say they are progressives (and we snicker at that) and if called what they are perceived to be than they start frothing at the mouth.

You are right thought that Fascism is what seems to be a very extreme left government as they are a lot like Communism in that the state controls all thought and actions of individuals and also control all levers of the state government. The only difference is that Communism operates the economics and business as a state tool and Fascism and Nazism controls the same thing but in league with corporations and the leaders of industry. They tell the corporations and leaders on industry what they are going to do and they do so under threat of prison. To me it is the same as Communism but in degrees only but the leaders of industry are well paid and assured of a profit usually and the good life and much prosperity. The Communists have the same thing but it is the Communist leaders themselves that live the good life.

Very good questions though and never ever let them get you down here. The only way to feel good about one self is to have your own ideas and express them. They hate anyone that is a non Socialist idealist like them.

Wanted to add that to learn about the Nazi's if wanted there is a good book called. "The rise and fall of the third Reich."

Edited January 3, 2011 by luckytxn

[ADAMandKAREN 15]

Being close-minded is an authoritarian mindset, where one believes there is only one right answer to most everything.

Well i do agree that there is more than one right answer to just about anything however I do believe that there are way more wrong answers to everything than there are right answers.

Don't worry a bit about the Socialist mindset here from many. They demand you say they are progressives (and we snicker at that) and if called what they are perceived to be than they start frothing at the mouth.

You are right thought that Fascism is what seems to be a very extreme left government as they are a lot like Communism in that the state controls all thought and actions of individuals and also control all levers of the state government. The only difference is that Communism operates the economics and business as a state tool and Fascism and Nazism controls the same thing but in league with corporations and the leaders of industry. They tell the corporations and leaders on industry what they are going to do and they do so under threat of prison. To me it is the same as Communism but in degrees only but the leaders of industry are well paid and assured of a profit usually and the good life and much prosperity. The Communists have the same thing but it is the Communist leaders themselves that live the good life.

Very good questions though and never ever let them get you down here. The only way to feel good about one self is to have your own ideas and express them. They hate anyone that is a non Socialist idealist like them.

Wanted to add that to learn about the Nazi's if wanted there is a good book called. "The rise and fall of the third Reich."

thank you for your input. I was feeling alone. It's nice to see that someone can follow my line of reasoning. To me a government is defined by the level of freedom it's citizens (and non-citizens for that matter) have. The problem I have with putting fascism on the right and communism on the left is that, while communism has killed way more people, fascism has a much worse connotation to it due to racism. By putting fascism on the right, people are trying to make racism an attribute of right-wingism which implies mild racism among conservatives whether they be fiscal or social conservatives (or both). I take issue with that, and that's why I argue against fascism being labeled "right-wing" and I feel my logic shows that it has way more in common with extreme "left-wing" ideologies (this has even been agreed to by those arguing against me). Well it's 4:44 i'm going home, have a great day anyone. sorry if I offended you. we are all here on VJ for the same reason, good luck to all of you with your visa journeys.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Well i do agree that there is more than one right answer to just about anything however I do believe that there are way more wrong answers to everything than there are right answers.

thank you for your input. I was feeling alone. It's nice to see that someone can follow my line of reasoning. To me a government is defined by the level of freedom it's citizens (and non-citizens for that matter) have. The problem I have with putting fascism on the right and communism on the left is that, while communism has killed way more people, fascism has a much worse connotation to it due to racism. By putting fascism on the right, people are trying to make racism an attribute of right-wingism which implies mild racism among conservatives whether they be fiscal or social conservatives (or both). I take issue with that, and that's why I argue against fascism being labeled "right-wing" and I feel my logic shows that it has way more in common with extreme "left-wing" ideologies (this has even been agreed to by those arguing against me). Well it's 4:44 i'm going home, have a great day anyone. sorry if I offended you. we are all here on VJ for the same reason, good luck to all of you with your visa journeys.

You have offended a few but not the majority. No matter what one believes and says there is at least one that will be offended but by no means should you stay silent. The socialists love to try to paint the Racist label even though they are the ones that are the Racists. Look at the party and see who it was that blocked all attempts to give the rights to minorities and which party it was that fought for the minority rights. Yes it was the Republican party that fought and eventually won over the racists and gave the minorities their rights that was there. It was only after they were defeated that the Socialists went and decided to buy the minorities votes to jump parties so they could stay in contention and keep viable. They went from one extreme to the other and the minorities bought it hook line and sinker.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well i do agree that there is more than one right answer to just about anything however I do believe that there are way more wrong answers to everything than there are right answers.

Which why you have to be careful with opinions like the one below....

thank you for your input. I was feeling alone. It's nice to see that someone can follow my line of reasoning. To me a government is defined by the level of freedom it's citizens (and non-citizens for that matter) have. The problem I have with putting fascism on the right and communism on the left is that, while communism has killed way more people, fascism has a much worse connotation to it due to racism. By putting fascism on the right, people are trying to make racism an attribute of right-wingism which implies mild racism among conservatives whether they be fiscal or social conservatives (or both). I take issue with that, and that's why I argue against fascism being labeled "right-wing" and I feel my logic shows that it has way more in common with extreme "left-wing" ideologies (this has even been agreed to by those arguing against me). Well it's 4:44 i'm going home, have a great day anyone. sorry if I offended you. we are all here on VJ for the same reason, good luck to all of you with your visa journeys.

It isn't just matter of opinion. This is where discourse in the country has taken a dive in the toilet - where every concept or issue gets reduced to be a mere difference of opinion as opposed to accepted truths and facts. While both Left Wing Extremism and Right Wing Extremism both lean towards an authoritarian government, Fascism is to the far right of the political spectrum because of its nationalistic ideals.

Far right, extreme right, hard right, radical right, and ultra-right are terms used to discuss the qualitative or quantitative position a group or person occupies within right-wing politics. The terms are often used to imply that someone is an extremist. The terms have been used by different scholars in somewhat conflicting ways.^[1]

Far right politics usually involve supremacism — a belief that superiority and inferiority is an innate reality between individuals and groups — and a complete rejection of the concept of social equality as a norm.^[2] Far right politics often support segregation; the separation of groups deemed to be superior from groups deemed to be inferior.^[3] Far right politics also commonly include authoritarianism, nativism, racism and xenophobia.^[4]

The ideologies usually associated with the far right include fascism, Nazism and other ultra-nationalist, religiously extreme or reactionary ideologies.^{[5][6][7][8][9]}

The term radical right refers to sections of the far right that promote views which are very conservative in traditional left-right terms, but which aim to break with prevailing institutions and practices.^[10] The radical right does not have a clear straightforward structure, but rather consists of overlapping subcultures with diverse styles of rhetoric, dress and symbolism whose cohesion comes from the use of alternative system of communications.^[11]

http://en.wikipedia....-right_politics

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

http://en.wikipedia....-right_politics

Appeal to authority is a fallacy, especially when that authority is often fallacious of its own right.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Appeal to authority is a fallacy, especially when that authority is often fallacious of its own right.

Wikipedia isn't an authority - just a source for reliable information that is well documented along with cited resources. You are free to challenge those conventional notions about what defines Far Right Extremism, although you'd be hard pressed to find anything that pins supremacy as a Left Wing trait.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I also think it is a shame they cut the shop classes and vocational education. I learned a lot in metal and wood shops. It be nice to have a trade, when the market tanks, and all you book learned folks are looking for door greeter jobs at Walmart.

Amen to that ! All I have is a GED and a few courses through the union and I haven't looked back...although I do have to admit there were times when work was just about impossible to find...whether it be through the union hall or pounding the streets with a resume.

Not knocking college in any means....the more schooling the better imo, I just like to point out that it's not the desk jockey's that build this country.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Wikipedia isn't an authority - just a source for reliable information that is well documented along with cited resources. You are free to challenge those conventional notions about what defines Far Right Extremism, although you'd be hard pressed to find anything that pins supremacy as a Left Wing trait.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154822/college-know-it-all-hippies

[Danno 1,228]

Well i'm not interested in charts. I'm just honestly asking a question that has plagued me for years. I used to just accept that fascism is an extreme form of right-wingism. But one day i questioned that. I asked myself "why is it that as you slide from the left to the right along the political scale you start with tons of government control and end up with limited government control and then without warning you suddenly hit fascism which is a system full of government control." I'm not going to apologize or excuse myself for thinking instead of going with the status quo.

YOu know how it is, one day you are voting down neighborhood trash pickup and the next you vote, mandatory house to house inspections to insure the recycling programs are being followed.

It's not really a slippery-slope, more like a slippery cliff, or something.

[ADAMandKAREN 15]

YOu know how it is, one day you are voting down neighborhood trash pickup and the next you vote, mandatory house to house inspections to insure the recycling programs are being followed.

It's not really a slippery-slope, more like a slippery cliff, or something.

???? those are two opposing points of view. That doesn't even make sense. Someone who would be against government trash pick up would also oppose recycling inspections.