The Abiding Faith Of Warm-ongers

[tmma 467]

Bullsh!t. There are no equal sides to the issue. orly? It's an issue of science vs. those who deny the science behind GW. Saying that no one knows for sure on GW is like saying we don't know for sure how the theory of Gravity actually works. that's ####### and a distortion of what i was saying. The truth is that no one knows for sure the degree of climate change is naturally occuring or totally man made which is what you seem to be spouting. By stating obvious scientific uncertainties you imply that scientists can't predict possible outcomes with any degree of accuracy which is preposterous......erm not what i said...I think I know what i was saying because I was one of them ( and there are 1000s globally) creating the algorithms that predict varying outcomes. Global Warming is real, is really happening right now and fossil fuel emissions are a significant contributor in the earth's temperature rising at an alarming rate. To suggest that such a claim cannot be satisfactorily made by climate scientists is unscientific and illogical.

Calm down and please stop twisting what i said. I think I was clear enough.

edit-You said yourself there are ' obvious scientific uncertainties...' and you are right on that.

Edited January 4, 2011 by tmma

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Calm down and please stop twisting what i said. I think I was clear enough.

edit-You said yourself there are ' obvious scientific uncertainties...' and you are right on that.

It's what you implied - that there are two sides to the issue of GW of equal validity, which is false.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

If there is no money, GW is not real. Watch and see.

Yep, the new congress will not give a dime to the EPA if they try to enforce their self appointed regulations. The attempt is a power grab of epic proportions. Since when can an agency impose an effective tax?

[tmma 467]

It's what you implied - that there are two sides to the issue of GW of equal validity, which is false.

I wrote what i wrote and if your voracious imagination needs to add emotional vocabulary and spin-go right ahead, but don't attribute it to me. thx.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

It's what you implied - that there are two sides to the issue of GW of equal validity, which is false.

Yeah, your right. The GW nuts side has been totally dis-proven. Guess what hasn't happened in 13 years? Warming! How can we have global warming without the warming? At best we have global stay-the-same-temperature.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yep, the new congress will not give a dime to the EPA if they try to enforce their self appointed regulations. The attempt is a power grab of epic proportions. Since when can an agency impose an effective tax?

Acid Rain? Ozone depleting chemicals? You're going off the deep end if you really believe the EPA can't or shouldn't regulate air pollutants.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Bullsh!t. There are no equal sides to the issue. It's an issue of science vs. those who deny the science behind GW. Saying that no one knows for sure on GW is like saying we don't know for sure how the theory of Gravity actually works. By stating obvious scientific uncertainties you imply that scientists can't predict possible outcomes with any degree of accuracy which is preposterous. Global Warming is real, is really happening right now and fossil fuel emissions are a significant contributor in the earth's temperature rising at an alarming rate. To suggest that such a claim cannot be satisfactorily made by climate scientists is unscientific and illogical.

Have a Valium.

[tmma 467]

Acid Rain? Ozone depleting chemicals? You're going off the deep end if you really believe the EPA can't or shouldn't regulate air pollutants.

How does the EPA regulate volcanos from dumping tonnes of SO2 into the atmosphere or the evaporation of water into H2O gas, the dying carbon based life here on earth emits organic greenhouse gases on decomposition and everytime a cow farts in a field the hole gets alittle bigger in the ozone layer.

You cannot tackle the human addition of greenhouse gases and ignore the FACT that a major portion of emissions are from natural sources.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

How does the EPA regulate volcanos from dumping tonnes of SO2 into the atmosphere or the evaporation of water into H2O gas, the dying carbon based life here on earth emits organic greenhouse gases on decomposition and everytime a cow farts in a field the hole gets alittle bigger in the ozone layer.

You cannot tackle the human addition of greenhouse gases and ignore the FACT that a major portion of emissions are from natural sources.

Are you serious? Chlorofluorocarbons are organic compounds that also happen to be detrimental to our ozone layer when released into the atmosphere, which is why the EPA regulates them. Elimination of green houses isn't the objective as anyone who has a basic understanding of the Carbon Cycle would know. It's reducing the imbalance of that cycle which permeates from the burning of fossil fuels.

But really, I think the reason why you would even ask such a question validates what I know implied from your earlier post - that you think we can't really know how much of an impact CO2 emissions are having on Global Warming, which is utter nonsense. You have to ignore solid science behind why scientists do in fact know that CO2 emissions are having a significant impact on the rising temperature of the earth. That's indisputable except for the denialists who don't know the difference between real science and a magician's hat.

[Peikko 1,575]

No it doesn't. Most of the anti GW stories I see are from the UK.

I have a little article for you. It describes the wholesale ice loss in the arctic. Lets look at it:

Ifft's report appeared in NOAA's Monthly Weather Review of November 1922. Whatever caused the "favorable conditions" in 1922, it is certain man-made greenhouse gases had nothing to do with it, and the rest of the world went on with the political and cultural revolutions of the 1920s without noticing any catastrophic climate change.

Yeah, arctic ice is melting. Tell me another fairy tale.

Conservatives in the UK do not deny global warming and actively seek solutions to actual problems that the changes in the climate are causing. Does everyone in the UK know exactly what changes are going to occur? Of course not, but predictions are used in order to plan how to deal with likely future events (things like flooding for example) that potentially could cause havoc if not planned for - and it's happening in your state too - it's just not called something controversial so you don't know or care

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Conservatives in the UK do not deny global warming and actively seek solutions to actual problems that the changes in the climate are causing. Does everyone in the UK know exactly what changes are going to occur? Of course not, but predictions are used in order to plan how to deal with likely future events (things like flooding for example) that potentially could cause havoc if not planned for - and it's happening in your state too - it's just not called something controversial so you don't know or care

We are all in favor of what the UK is doing with UK citizen's money. Hooray for UK! Send them a check, maybe. I am sure you will.

The EPA will be shut down economically by the congress which must provide their funding if they try to unilaterally enforce regulations that the congress does not agree with. Simple as that. It is not a matter of if they coulda, shoulda, woulda. It is not a matter of "science" It is politics, pure and simple. GW lost the political battle in the US and therefore lost its funds to continue to exist. The EPA cannot operate at all without funds. The EPA could be eliminated by congress in its entirety. Simply cease to exist. -0- out the line item. Congress has the checkbook and the legislation to fund them has to come from the Republican controlled House of Representatives.

You want someone to blame? Your Boy Obama. He could have acted on Environmental protections during two years in which he had a majority congress and couldn't get it done. He couldn't keep the seats of very influential Senators or even his own former seat in Illinois. His actions have blown the opportunity of a lifetime for liberals. Blame the Repubs if you will but your guy was driving for the last two years and went nowhere. Time's up.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Global warming is coming to Vermont.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Global warming is coming to Vermont.

Oh PLEASE! Yes!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Oh PLEASE! Yes!

Along with universal healthcare.

[웃 910]

Along with universal healthcare.

And soon I will be moving to Stowe, Vermont when I win the HGTV Dream Home Giveaway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKW2WTWuGyw