CALLING THEM ISLAMIC FASCISTS CAN'T HELP

[Bosco 1]

I'm wondering what it is that people want Muslims to do in terms of speaking out against terrorism. After a quick google search I found tons of articles describing Muslim anti-terror protests. Islam has no "pope" to make a public statement regarding Muslims' positition on terrorism. I personally do not feel that Muslims as a group support terrorism. So what has made people feel that they need more "proof" that Islam does not condone terrorism?

oh I dont know... how bout turning them over to local police if they know the extremists are planning to blow something up. EN MASS. but no.... that'd be not supporting the muslim brother against the great satan and is bad.

not sure bout you... but if neighbor or friend that is christian were planning something as stupid.. in a heartbeat i'd be on the phone.. even against a brother or sister in christ. cause obviously they arent practicing what is taught.

just because Islam doesnt seem to have a figure head like the pope where the majority look to doesnt mean they dont have well respected and anti-extremist leaders. unfortunately the most outspoken ones are anti west and condone or turn a "blind eye" to it.

I read that it was tips from the Muslim community that lead to the uncovering of the London bomb plots. Will try to find the reference.

[vartan 0]

Truer words has never been spoken.

Juuuuuust joshin ya

You mean about the wiggles being flaming?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

FYI, you can off as completely racist.

and you the same just the opposite way.

lol i'm not the one deciding who deserves to live in a shitty country am I? I believe everyone should be allowed a chance to have a better life as long as they have good intentions, while you're saying that if their name is something similar to a terrorist name, they deserve to stay in a shithole? Who the hell are you to decide who gets a visa and doesn't? Just because someone's name is "Jihad" might not mean they have intentions of doing anything wrong! BTW, Jihad real meaning has been twisted by terrorist and by the media... therefore I suggest you go find the real meaning.

Oh, my bad. Jihad Hamad just so happened to try and blow up trains in Germany (a country that granted him the privilege to come there and learn at a good school) out of good intentions? But sure, entertain me: What good does "Jihad" really mean?

You seem to forget that visas are a privilege rather than an entitlement. And I, for one, strongly advocate not to extend privileges to those that potentially cause harm here. I say better safe than sorry. And if that is too much to swallow for some people, then they are free to change the conditions on their end that causes me to have that overly cautious attitude to being with. Don't blame me for a mess that I did not create.

[pja002 0]

Nazis=Extreme catholics or protestants (I think)

Actually it is my understanding that the nazis where anti-christian. They persicuted many priests and nuns.

They prefered the nordic gods. They were however a good example of fascist.

Edited August 26, 2006 by pja002

[vartan 0]

I read that it was tips from the Muslim community that lead to the uncovering of the London bomb plots. Will try to find the reference.

Yeah the pakistani gov't helped the uk with finding it .. they also say they are helping to find bin laden..

Actually it is my understanding that the nazis where anti-christian. They persicute many priests and nuns.

They prefered the nordic gods. They were however fascist.

Thanks.. Yeah I couldn't think what they were.. hense the (think) thats for the info .. had to add the nazis as extreme just not sure which catagory.

[Alex+R 0]

Nazis=Extreme catholics or protestants (I think)

Actually it is my understanding that the nazis where anti-christian. They persicuted many priests and nuns.

They prefered the nordic gods. They were however a good example of fascist.

It's a bit more complicated. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_religion)

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Nazis=Extreme catholics or protestants (I think)

Actually it is my understanding that the nazis where anti-christian. They persicuted many priests and nuns.

They prefered the nordic gods. They were however a good example of fascist.

It's a bit more complicated. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_religion)

It usually is, isn't it?

[Alex+R 0]

Nazis=Extreme catholics or protestants (I think)

Actually it is my understanding that the nazis where anti-christian. They persicuted many priests and nuns.

They prefered the nordic gods. They were however a good example of fascist.

It's a bit more complicated. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_religion)

It usually is, isn't it?

indeed. Hey Reinhard, are you at work today too?

[Bosco 1]

What is an "Islamic"? What is the difference between that and a Muslim?

Is it the responsability of other Muslims to rid the world of the "bad" ones?

I don't feel responsible for the bad Muslims. They have nothing to do with me, nor do I have anything to do with them. It isn't that I don't care how their actions tarnish the image of Islam, I do very much.

However, I do feel that people who choose to lump 1.3 billion together based on the actions based on the actions of a small number are most likely going to do so regardless of what I say or how loud I say it. The media simply does not give coverage to peace events the way they do a small number of Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. This is the image people remember. Not the prayer services in mosques around the world that gave rememberance and condemned 9/11, not the millions of Muslims who signed petitions condemening terrorism.

How many Christians here feel compelled to speak out every time Falwell says something stupid, Christians boycott a soldier's funeral, blowup an abortion clinic or commit genocide in Bosnia? The terrorists seem as remote to me as they do all of you, yet somehow plenty of people expect us to be the voice for something that has NOTHING to do with us. I speak up/protest when I care about something - not because I feel tied to it because they claim to share a religion with me.

I think another problem is terrorism is always looked at very shallowly, as if it is only about religion. It isn't, and in most cases terrorism is just a guise to garner support from people who feel oppressed.

Of course I condemn terrorism. What I hate is that people presume otherwise based on my religion and that also think that I am responsible for correcting their backwards thinking.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Nazis=Extreme catholics or protestants (I think)

Actually it is my understanding that the nazis where anti-christian. They persicuted many priests and nuns.

They prefered the nordic gods. They were however a good example of fascist.

It's a bit more complicated. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_religion)

It usually is, isn't it?

indeed. Hey Reinhard, are you at work today too?

No. I don't work on weekends. I just have some time to kill while Nani is getting her hair done.

[vartan 0]

They have nothing to do with me, nor do I have anything to do with them.

Technically speaking they are doing it for your god.. I know you are not a terrorist.. but they choose to follow the Islam faith or so they say .. they have everything to do with islam .. and that is the problem ..

I know islam is supposed to be peaceful but there is a problem .. and more countries should have gov't like the pakistani one that is helping to fix the problem.

I feel compelled to speak up and I do .. because I do not want my image tarnished and so does our govt against bad people... We punish those bad in our country.

Edited August 26, 2006 by vartan

[Alex+R 0]

They have nothing to do with me, nor do I have anything to do with them.

Technically speaking they are doing it for your god.. I know you are not a terrorist.. but they choose to follow the Islam faith or so they say .. they have everything to do with islam .. and that is the problem ..

How does that make Bosco responsible? And that is WHAT problem? Read the last few 'graphs of Bosco's post. It might add some perspective.

[vartan 0]

How does that make Bosco responsible? And that is WHAT problem? Read the last few 'graphs of Bosco's post. It might add some perspective.

I know what he means.. but I am saying it is his problem .. it is everyone who is islamics problem .. someone is dafcing their religion .. something needs to be done.. not just by them but everyone..

Heck people draw pictures of Muhammad and everyone is up in arms wanting justice but while these horrible terrorists are killing innocent people .. "it is not my problem" I am sorry its everyones problem.

Read the last few 'graphs of Bosco's post. It might add some perspective.

I see it .. but that is not the point.. shallowly or not terrorism is what it is .. it is PRIMARILY Islamic fascists..

Edited August 26, 2006 by vartan

[Alex+R 0]

How does that make Bosco responsible? And that is WHAT problem? Read the last few 'graphs of Bosco's post. It might add some perspective.

I know what he means.. but I am saying it is his problem .. it is everyone who is islamics problem .. someone is dafcing their religion .. something needs to be done.. not just by them but everyone..

Heck people draw pictures of Muhammad and everyone is up in arms wanting justice but while these horrible terrorists are killing innocent people .. "it is not my problem" I am sorry its everyones problem.

Read the last few 'graphs of Bosco's post. It might add some perspective.

I see it .. but that is not the point.. shallowly or not terrorism is what it is .. it is PRIMARILY Islamic fascists..

You are assuming that all Muslims are part of a group. A group called "Muslims." Fine. They are all Muslims, but what Islam means to one person could be SO different from what it means to others. Religion is a private thing in many ways. I do not feel any special connection to Lubovitcher Jews, some of whom wear traditional clothes, try to bring more Jews back into the fold, and are interested in the End of Days and bringing it about. Are we both Jews? Yep. But don't ask me to explain them or try to control them. I have nothing to do with them. I don't agree with the way Israel runs their country (or lets us run it) but I don't identify with them because they are Jews. Things are more complicated than that.

Remember that IQ question: If all weebles are wobbles, are all wobbles weebles?

[vartan 0]

I know what your saying yes there is many different types of muslims.. and when I say you .. I mean the muslim faith .. these countries have these horrible people in them doing horrible acts.. Like I said Pakistan is doing a great job fighting against the people that make them look bad.. but this kind of muslim or that kind its all "technically" the same god. And my understanding is Islam is all about god .. serving god.. .. right?

Edited August 26, 2006 by vartan