CALLING THEM ISLAMIC FASCISTS CAN'T HELP

[Alex+R 0]

I'd at least like those leaders to end the popularity of suicide bombings and terrorism before we slowly dismantle assbackward Islamic regimes.

What? Which "leaders" are you talking about?

hehe oops, I was kind of working and typing at the same time. Religious leaders, I suppose. Fat chance anyway, I don't really know what I was talking about.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'd at least like those leaders to end the popularity of suicide bombings and terrorism before we slowly dismantle assbackward Islamic regimes.

What? Which "leaders" are you talking about?

hehe oops, I was kind of working and typing at the same time. Religious leaders, I suppose. Fat chance anyway, I don't really know what I was talking about.

I don't really care to dismantle any of their regimes. Seems to be part of what causes the ruckus - that we keep messing with their world. I say let them have their world. Let them flog their women. Not my problem. Once it gets bad enough for too many people there, they will rise and take care of things thmselves. Just gotta let them slide all the way down first, I'm afraid.

And I don't think it's a good idea for any of the decadent western countries to issue any visa to anyone named Jihad. I think that the Jihads of this world better stay in Lebanon (where this Jihad dude that tried to bomb trains in Germany while there on a student visa happened to be from) or wherever else they might have been raised and groomed to hate.

Edited August 26, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Alex+R 0]

I'd at least like those leaders to end the popularity of suicide bombings and terrorism before we slowly dismantle assbackward Islamic regimes.

What? Which "leaders" are you talking about?

hehe oops, I was kind of working and typing at the same time. Religious leaders, I suppose. Fat chance anyway, I don't really know what I was talking about.

I don't really care to dismantle any of their regimes. Seems to be part of what causes the ruckus - that we keep messing with their world. I say let them have their world. Let them flog their women. Not my problem. Once it gets bad enough for too many people there, they will rise and take care of things thmselves. Just gotta let them slide all the way down first, I'm afraid.

And I don't think it's a good idea for any of the decadent western countries to issue any visa to anyone named Jihad. I think that the Jihads of this world better stay in Lebanon (where this Jihad dude that tried to bomb trains in Germany while there on a student visa happened to be from) or wherever else they might have been raised and groomed to hate.

Yeah the worst part is that their women *want* other women flogged for the most part. I can't speak to that situation, but I'm assuming. Here in Minneapolis, there is a conflict between East Africans, who want to circumcize their WOMEN (YIKES), and those of us who find that a bit, shall we say, barbaric. I say, if you're in my country, you can't slice n dice your womenfolk. But that's just me.

I don't really want to dismantle any governments either (not in the Iraq-type way) but I wish they would just uh, dismantle themselves.

It's their culture I guess...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Here in Minneapolis, there is a conflict between East Africans, who want to circumcize their WOMEN (YIKES), and those of us who find that a bit, shall we say, barbaric. I say, if you're in my country, you can't slice n dice your womenfolk. But that's just me.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Nani is from East Africa where that dort of thing used to be the norm. Fortunately, her folks are educated and enlightened people who wouldn't consider this sort of barbaric nonsense. But I do have friends from over there who had that done to them - and not while they were infants. It's sort of a ceremony typically done at age 6-8. Just so they can always cherish that wonderful spiritual moment, I suppose...

But yeah, if they're here, it's clearly a no-no. For those that miss that barbarism all that much, I suggest they get packed up and head back to East Africa. For good, that is. Unfortunately, I'm sure that it's done right here in the US more than we'd like to think and that other folks take their daughters back home to have it done there. Some people will just never learn.

[canuhandleit 0]

I'd at least like those leaders to end the popularity of suicide bombings and terrorism before we slowly dismantle assbackward Islamic regimes.

What? Which "leaders" are you talking about?

hehe oops, I was kind of working and typing at the same time. Religious leaders, I suppose. Fat chance anyway, I don't really know what I was talking about.

I don't really care to dismantle any of their regimes. Seems to be part of what causes the ruckus - that we keep messing with their world. I say let them have their world. Let them flog their women. Not my problem. Once it gets bad enough for too many people there, they will rise and take care of things thmselves. Just gotta let them slide all the way down first, I'm afraid.

And I don't think it's a good idea for any of the decadent western countries to issue any visa to anyone named Jihad. I think that the Jihads of this world better stay in Lebanon (where this Jihad dude that tried to bomb trains in Germany while there on a student visa happened to be from) or wherever else they might have been raised and groomed to hate.

FYI, you can off as completely racist. First of all, Islam condones women's rights more than any other religious book. Islamic countries who are supressing women are not doing it because it says "SUPPRESS ALL WOMEN!" in the Quran, they're doing it on their own call.

We should continue to "mess with their world" in a positive way, but obviously we aren't doing it all that positive. BY ALLOWING ISRAEL to have nuclear submarines, do you think Muslim countries are going to just stand there? HELL NO! You can't tell Iran they can't have nuclear missles and then allow ###### Israel to have them! None of THOSE countries are able to handle nuclear anything. There's a good chance that if this keeps up, we'll be facing a WWIII pretty soon! and if we start using nuclear weapons, it's going to be the end of humans.

Think about this... you get assaulted, right? Then, the US out of no where supports the criminal... how would you feel? Wouldn't you be pissed? That's why alot of Muslim countries are especially pissed and the US is supplementing constantly to the anger.

[vartan 0]

FYI, you can off as completely racist.

and you the same just the opposite way.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'd at least like those leaders to end the popularity of suicide bombings and terrorism before we slowly dismantle assbackward Islamic regimes.

What? Which "leaders" are you talking about?

hehe oops, I was kind of working and typing at the same time. Religious leaders, I suppose. Fat chance anyway, I don't really know what I was talking about.

I don't really care to dismantle any of their regimes. Seems to be part of what causes the ruckus - that we keep messing with their world. I say let them have their world. Let them flog their women. Not my problem. Once it gets bad enough for too many people there, they will rise and take care of things thmselves. Just gotta let them slide all the way down first, I'm afraid.

And I don't think it's a good idea for any of the decadent western countries to issue any visa to anyone named Jihad. I think that the Jihads of this world better stay in Lebanon (where this Jihad dude that tried to bomb trains in Germany while there on a student visa happened to be from) or wherever else they might have been raised and groomed to hate.

FYI, you can off as completely racist.

FYI: Islam is not a race.

Spare me the rest.

[Mirorgate 0]

They can't have too much "morality" in common, since they approve of blowing people up. Posters like Veiled Princess Layla seem pretty "extreme" to me, and they don't condone blowing people up. This, to me, is exactly the same as calling those who spend a lot of time bastardizing the original message of the bible "fundamentalists."

And keep in mind the role of propaganda, which may have played a role in the "dancing in the streets" often mentioned when making the argument that all Muslims approved of 9/11. I doubt they're getting all the relevant information from their governments.

Morality of Islam is not strapping a bomb onto ones chest and walking into a cafe somewhere. The moral codes of Islam as read to not condone such acts.. nor do VP, Layla, Bosco, Almaty nor others here condone such acts as far as I know. Nor do I believe it as such. I spoke of the morality of Islam as a whole which also covers etiquet between the sexes, dietary issues (non-drinking), and also mentioned idealogies with it. If you wish to quote, please by all means do, but also keep it within the context I wrote it and meant it. which also included within the context that there are ppl who will find whatever passage in the qu'ran to justify their particular political idealogy.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

...there are ppl who will find whatever passage in the qu'ran to justify their particular political ideology.

That's nothing specific to a religion. You'll find folk basing their ####### and hate on any religion.

[Mirorgate 0]

...there are ppl who will find whatever passage in the qu'ran to justify their particular political ideology.

That's nothing specific to a religion. You'll find folk basing their ####### and hate on any religion.

True that is. But the topic is along the lines of Islam, so therefore I mentioned the qu'ran.

You will find hardliners in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Shinto, Hindu.. whatever... idiots abound all over

[vartan 0]

KKK=Extreme Christians

Nazis=Extreme catholics or protestants (I think)

Tibetin Buddhists=Some are extreme buddhist

.. these terrorist organizations=Extreme Muslims

Wiggles=Extremely .. flaming

There is extremes to everything.

Edited August 26, 2006 by vartan

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There is extremes to everything.

Yes, I am extemely tired of parents naming their kids Jihad. Yeah, go ahead, call me an extremist.

[canuhandleit 0]

FYI, you can off as completely racist.

and you the same just the opposite way.

lol i'm not the one deciding who deserves to live in a shitty country am I? I believe everyone should be allowed a chance to have a better life as long as they have good intentions, while you're saying that if their name is something similar to a terrorist name, they deserve to stay in a shithole? Who the hell are you to decide who gets a visa and doesn't? Just because someone's name is "Jihad" might not mean they have intentions of doing anything wrong! BTW, Jihad real meaning has been twisted by terrorist and by the media... therefore I suggest you go find the real meaning before assuming ######.

Quoting: http://hnn.us/articles/1136.html

Jihad, in its truest and purest form, the form to which all Muslims aspire, is the determination to do right, to do justice even against your own interests. It is an individual struggle for personal moral behavior. Especially today, it is a struggle that exists on many levels: self-purification and awareness, public service and social justice. On a global scale, it is a struggle involving people of all ages, colors, and creeds, for control of the Big Decisions: not only who controls what piece of land, but more importantly who gets medicine, who can eat.

Edited August 26, 2006 by canuhandleit

[Risto 0]

I'm wondering what it is that people want Muslims to do in terms of speaking out against terrorism. After a quick google search I found tons of articles describing Muslim anti-terror protests. Islam has no "pope" to make a public statement regarding Muslims' positition on terrorism. I personally do not feel that Muslims as a group support terrorism. So what has made people feel that they need more "proof" that Islam does not condone terrorism?

really? Remember the joy of the palestinians when the twin towers collapsed?

[Alex+R 0]

Morality of Islam is not strapping a bomb onto ones chest and walking into a cafe somewhere. The moral codes of Islam as read to not condone such acts.. nor do VP, Layla, Bosco, Almaty nor others here condone such acts as far as I know. Nor do I believe it as such. I spoke of the morality of Islam as a whole which also covers etiquet between the sexes, dietary issues (non-drinking), and also mentioned idealogies with it. If you wish to quote, please by all means do, but also keep it within the context I wrote it and meant it. which also included within the context that there are ppl who will find whatever passage in the qu'ran to justify their particular political idealogy.

Hi there,

I didn't take your quotes out of context; this would be impossible as I quoted the entire post in order. I agree with Reinhard here, anything can be taken from a religion and used to justify violence/stupidity/whatever. Muslims may all share those basic ideas, but I would say that the value of life and death are a huge part of morality, and when someone's morality includes murder, suicide, etc. as honorable, they do not share the same moral system as someone who does not. Not to mention the regional/cultural differences in the development of a value system. I'm just saying you can't lump them all together and use that as an argument that they have a full responsibility to each other.

There is extremes to everything.

Truer words has never been spoken.

Juuuuuust joshin ya