CALLING THEM ISLAMIC FASCISTS CAN'T HELP

[RKhalid 0]

Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam.

Sorry, you asked for it!

More to the point, though: People from within your midst make about as much a mockery of your religion as anyone could. It's not the western media reporting about the extreme islamists, it's their deeds that paint the picture of your religion that you don't like. Go and take care of those elements within your midst and the overall perception of your religion will improve.

And in case you wonder, it's these freaks I'm referring to:

I would also like to add, that who cares if they are making fun of Islam, it still does not argue against the quote that Islam is the best religion...so unless you have proof that it's not, don't bother showing me silly cartoons...i mean, how exactly are you proving a point against what i said ( that Islam is shown as bad by western media) , im not seeing it.

Furhter more, are you saying that this cartoon was drawn my muslims living in the middle east? or by muslims living in america? . ... and excuse me, the news you see here is not from the middle east, it was not edited by muslims, it was edited by americans..."when they own the information they can bend how they want" and i highly HIGHLY doubt you would come across muslims mocking Islam in an Islamic country...you are joking right? Unless of course that country is not an Islamic country, but a country like Turkey that copies the western values, then i can see this happening, when there is a lack of care about the respect of Islam, cuz Islam is no fun right? i mean...sucks that you can't have sex with anyone, and get std's and pregnant, yeah, and then Islam won't let you to get drunk and rape someone, or pass out and drink and drive...it's no fun! o and biggest that Islam won't let women run around naked so that men can feast their eyes on their bodies, and rape them, and cheat on their spouses....with no harm of getting punished or even going to jail...yeah, i guess if you like these things..then you are against Islam...which promotes peace, and protection, and yes, believe it or not, equality amongst men and women.

K well, good thing this is "off topic" thread, cuz i am going way off topic..lol, sorry about that..well anyway, that's all i'll say for now, it's late, and i gosta sleep.

[Risto 0]

Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam.

I have a question . Is the third student saying “sh!t” or it’s actual sh!t on his head?

[ual777 0]

Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam.

Sorry, you asked for it!

More to the point, though: People from within your midst make about as much a mockery of your religion as anyone could. It's not the western media reporting about the extreme islamists, it's their deeds that paint the picture of your religion that you don't like. Go and take care of those elements within your midst and the overall perception of your religion will improve.

And in case you wonder, it's these freaks I'm referring to:

if there were people in america with signs saying "kill those who insult americans, Kill those who threaten america, " you would call it patriotic....everything is about perception ( note Islam does not support this kind of protest these muslims are doing and i of course do not) i would also like to add that maybe if you found the reason why these people from the middle east are so angry toward america, then you would understand why they act the way they do ( not that it's a justification) you need to know where these people are coming from, it's not like they just woke up one day and decided to kill themselves, there is alot of history to their actions. I've lived in pakistan for 9 months ( im a white american) and i saw the poverty, and the lack of education, manners, organization...you have never experienced such a life like they have...just think in america, the slums or bad parts of cities produce drug dealers, and gangs, what do you think you are gonna get from such horrible conditions in an entire country full of people who are suffereing? If america really wants to stop terrosim, then it needs to promote peace, not going in and blowing up cities with civilians living there. destroying an already destoryed poor country, taking away what little people had...this is not the answer... and in truth there are More muslims who follow Islam properly than not.

All i have to say is don't be so one sided, look into both sides, see what is exactly making them behave this way, because if you know Islam does not teach this kind of behavior, then what is causing it? and once that problem is found, solved, only then will terroism stop...cuz it's not Islam, it's the people...

But, you see there arent people in America doing that.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam.

Sorry, you asked for it!

More to the point, though: People from within your midst make about as much a mockery of your religion as anyone could. It's not the western media reporting about the extreme islamists, it's their deeds that paint the picture of your religion that you don't like. Go and take care of those elements within your midst and the overall perception of your religion will improve.

if there were people in america with signs saying "kill those who insult americans, Kill those who threaten america, " you would call it patriotic...

No, I would not. I have no sympathy for anyone that promotes the killing of other human beings.

I would also like to add, that who cares if they are making fun of Islam, it still does not argue against the quote that Islam is the best religion...so unless you have proof that it's not, don't bother showing me silly cartoons...i mean, how exactly are you proving a point against what i said ( that Islam is shown as bad by western media) , im not seeing it.

Sorry dude, but as long as Islam produces the type of animals that it produces - those beasts are brainwashed in mosques and you know it - I cannot see it as the best religion there is. Is that about perspective? Sure it is. And from my perspective, much of what some muslim clerics (and it's more than a handful) produce is nothing but garbage.

Edited September 4, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Jenn! 918]

Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam.

Sorry, you asked for it!

More to the point, though: People from within your midst make about as much a mockery of your religion as anyone could. It's not the western media reporting about the extreme islamists, it's their deeds that paint the picture of your religion that you don't like. Go and take care of those elements within your midst and the overall perception of your religion will improve.

And in case you wonder, it's these freaks I'm referring to:

if there were people in america with signs saying "kill those who insult americans, Kill those who threaten america, " you would call it patriotic....everything is about perception ( note Islam does not support this kind of protest these muslims are doing and i of course do not) i would also like to add that maybe if you found the reason why these people from the middle east are so angry toward america, then you would understand why they act the way they do ( not that it's a justification) you need to know where these people are coming from, it's not like they just woke up one day and decided to kill themselves, there is alot of history to their actions. I've lived in pakistan for 9 months ( im a white american) and i saw the poverty, and the lack of education, manners, organization...you have never experienced such a life like they have...just think in america, the slums or bad parts of cities produce drug dealers, and gangs, what do you think you are gonna get from such horrible conditions in an entire country full of people who are suffereing? If america really wants to stop terrosim, then it needs to promote peace, not going in and blowing up cities with civilians living there. destroying an already destoryed poor country, taking away what little people had...this is not the answer... and in truth there are More muslims who follow Islam properly than not.

All i have to say is don't be so one sided, look into both sides, see what is exactly making them behave this way, because if you know Islam does not teach this kind of behavior, then what is causing it? and once that problem is found, solved, only then will terroism stop...cuz it's not Islam, it's the people...

But, you see there arent people in America doing that.

Exactly his point then, no? Why isn't this happening in America? There are certainly muslims here. Hmmm, so maybe the issue isn't religion but rather politics...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I've lived in pakistan for 9 months ( im a white american) and i saw the poverty, and the lack of education, manners, organization...you have never experienced such a life like they have...

There are places much poorer and much more hopeless than Pakistan or any other place in the Middle East, South Asia or Persia. Oddly, the vast majority of those places do not produce people ready to kill themselves to hurt the US or Western Europe or to do so otherwise. Incidentally, Islam is not the predominant religion in those places either. Yet those that come from those other regions, I have mainly East Africa in mind for quite obvious rasons, that sympathize with or engage in the plotting and / or carrying out of terrorist activities identify themselves exclusively with the religion of Islam.

But no, I am not trying to suggest anything at this point. I want you to see and acknowledge, though, that terrorism has it's roots not in poverty and hopelessness as you would like to suggest. To the contrary, many , if not most, of those involved in terrorist activities are educated, middle class individuals that have been dealt a better deck then the majority of the people populating our planet. There are other components in play. And those are non materialistic.

[RKhalid 0]

Sorry dude, but as long as Islam produces the type of animals that it produces - those beasts are brainwashed in mosques and you know it - I cannot see it as the best religion there is. Is that about perspective? Sure it is. And from my perspective, much of what some muslim clerics (and it's more than a handful) produce is nothing but garbage.

Let's talk about the biggest producer of garbage, shall we?

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/quarterly/Vol_4/4_4/q2_1.asp <---crime in school stats

(New York) – There are at least 2,225 child offenders serving life without parole (LWOP) sentences in U.S prisons for crimes committed before they were age 18, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International said in a new joint report published today.

While many of the child offenders are now adults, 16 percent were between 13 and 15 years old at the time they committed their crimes. An estimated 59 percent were sentenced to life without parole for their first-ever criminal conviction. Forty-two states currently have laws allowing children to receive life without parole sentences.

The latest bill to come due for what the National Rifle Association labels the "price of freedom" is this: 10 murder-suicides a week in America, virtually all committed with guns.

Every week in the U.S., 10 people decide to commit suicide and take people with them. Yet contrary to what one might expect from television shows like CSI and its ilk--where states and the feds collect endless data on guns and violence that can be called up on a moment's notice on an office computer--the federal government has no system to even track such events. In an effort to document the extent of the murder-suicide phenomenon, the Violence Policy Center has conducted two major studies. The latest, American Roulette: Murder-Suicide in the United States, used a national clipping service supplemented by Internet searches to collect murder-suicide incidents nationwide from January 1, 2005, through June 30, 2005. During this period, 591 Americans died in 264 murder-suicide incidents, 92 percent of these incidents involved a gun. Nearly all the murderers were male. Nearly three quarters of the murder-suicides involved an intimate partner (spouse, ex-spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend), and of these, 96 percent were females killed by their intimate partners. Three quarters of all murder-suicides occurred in the home.

16,137 MURDERS, 94,635 RAPES A YEAR IN USA

The number of rapes, however, has increased in three of the past four years, according to the FBI data. In all, rapes increased by .8 percent to 94,635 rapes, or about 750 more than in 2003.

Total US Population: 295,734,134

Likelihood of being murdered in the USA within the past year: 5.5 in 100,000 or 0.0055%

Likelihood of being raped in the USA within the past year: 32 in 100,000 or 0.032%

The rape number is extremely worrisome because I used the total population as the baseline. It is likely that most rapes are against woman which would put the number up to as much as 64 in 100,000 or 0.064%. That equates to a 1 in 1,562 chance of being raped in this country each year. In fact, assuming that most rapes happen to adult women would probably further increase the chance of being raped. Of course there is a lot of child sexual abuse happening as well and I do not know if the FBI categorizes those crimes as rape (they probably should). I have no idea how these rates compare to the rest of the civilized world, but it is sad nonetheless.

Despite the historical trend, the FBI included a "crime clock" in its report that shows a violent crime is committed every 23.1 seconds. A murder occurs roughly every half-hour, according to the clock.

In 1983- (4), a random survey of 3,132 adults in Los Angeles found that 3.8% of men and 6.8% of women said that they had been sexually assaulted in childhood. Since 93% of the assailants were male, and only 1% of girls had been assaulted by females, about 35% of the assaults were homosexual. (5)

The Los Angeles Times (6) surveyed 2,628 adults across the U.S. in 1985. 27% of the women and 16% of the men claimed to have been sexually molested. Since 7% of the molestations of girls and 93% of the molestations of boys were by adults of the same sex, about 4 of every 10 molestations in this survey were homosexual.

In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin, associate professor of psychology at Whitman College, conducted a 10 state survey (26) and found 199 sexual abuse cases involving teachers. 122 male teachers had abused female pupils and 14 female teachers had abused male students. In 59 cases, however, male teachers had abused male pupils and in 4 cases female teachers had abused female students (overall 32% were homosexual).

A 1983 survey asked 4,340 adults to report on any sexual advances and any physical sexual contact by elementary and secondary teachers (4% of those who were teachers in the survey claimed to be bisexual or homosexual).4 29% of the advances by elementary and 16% of the advances by secondary school teachers were homosexual. In addition, 1 of 4 (25%) reports of actual sexual contact with an elementary school teacher were homosexual. In high school, 8 (22%) of 37 contacts between teacher and pupil were homosexual. 18% reported having had a homosexual teacher (8% of those over the age of 55 vs 25% of those under 26). Of those reporting a homosexual teacher, 6% said that the teacher influenced them to try homosexuality and 13% of the men and 4% of the women said that the teacher made sexual advances toward them.

In America, the most accurate scientific studies, based on lengthy interviews, report that 30 percent of men and 40 percent of women remember having been sexually molested during childhood—defining molestation as actual genital contact, not just exposure. About half of these are directly incestuous, with the immediate family; the other half occurred with neighbors, but with the complicity of caretakers in at least 80 percent of the cases. These experiences of seduction are not just pieced together from fragmentary memories but are remembered in detail. They usually occurred over an extended period of time. They have been confirmed by follow-up reliability studies in 83 percent of the cases. All things considered, they are unlikely to have been fantasies. Furthermore, the seductions occurred at much earlier ages than had been previously assumed, with 81 percent occurring before puberty and an astonishing 42 percent under age 7.

As high as these molestation rates seem, however, they represent only a portion of the true rates. Those interviewed did not include populations that have been shown to have extremely high rates—i.e., criminals, prostitutes, juveniles in shelters, psychotics, and so on. But more importantly, only conscious memories were counted, and the earliest seductions of children are almost never remembered except during psychotherapy. Adjusting for these additional factors, I concluded that the real sexual abuse rate for America is 60 percent for girls and 45 percent for boys, with about half that being directly incestuous.

O geeze, i could go on and on with the stats...i guess americans are terrorists, according to the information posted above...i guess that christianity must teach this kind of behvior, since so many americans are doing it...and i guess that christianity must then = terrorism...huh sound familiar?

I didn't even post half of it! what about people who molest animals, priests who molest little boys in the church? so many, Incests,kidnappings..school shootings, work place shootings, and it goes on and on and on....FACE it, you are more likely to be raped, or murdered by a fellow citizen than to be blown up by a suicide bomber from Afghanistan....

O yeah, and about the mosques and schools that teach the horrible things that produce terrorists, i agree, but they are NOT TEACHING ISLAM... the word Islam means peace, Muslim means one who submits to the WIll of God and God's will is Islam

Finally, for those who act like these countries are doing nothing to stop these schools and mosques, think again, when i lived in pakistan all of these "terrorist producing" schools and mosques were shut down, and it was illegal to talk about anything in the mosque except for what is written in the Quran exact...no personal lessons or opinions are allowed.

And to end, i would like to add that these numbers should disturb any american, and we should worry MORE about fixing our own problems, in our own towns, instead of going half way around the world trying to act like POLICE to other countries...would you like Russia or some other country to come to america and fix these problems for us? cuz that is what we are doing to the Middle east countries....face it, they are attacking us for some reason, and you should find out why, because it is NOT because of Islam...got it?

O yes, and what schools or churches in america are producing these kind of american beasts? o yeah, there are NONE so who is to blame for these numbers of crimes in usa?

Incidentally, Islam is not the predominant religion in those places either

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ever think that the reason that those countries aren't causing problems is because they aren't Islamic and there fore pose no threat to western way of life,(capitialism) and there fore the western countries do not bother them, and they have no reason to bother the western countries in return?, ..does communism ring a bell? americans were sooooo afraid of it, cuz it would take away their precious way of life, and countries that were not communist were not considered a threat...sound familiar to you, cuz it sure sounds the same to me.

sounds to me that you are suggesting that only Islamic countries cause problems because they are Islamic and it is from teachings of Islam...ok, one...learn what Islam teaches, obviously you know nothing about it...number two...have you lived in paksitan? if not, then you have no idea how life is there , and where it is worse. ever think they are in the defensive and not offensive?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Sorry dude, but as long as Islam produces the type of animals that it produces - those beasts are brainwashed in mosques and you know it - I cannot see it as the best religion there is. Is that about perspective? Sure it is. And from my perspective, much of what some muslim clerics (and it's more than a handful) produce is nothing but garbage.

Let's talk about the biggest producer of garbage, shall we?

Hey, America and the West ain't perfect. Neither are your paradises over there in the Middle East, South Asia and Persia. It ain't like rape is a non-issue in Pakistan or anywhere else in the Middle East. Only there, it's always the woman's fault.

When the first American civilians get brainwashed in their churches enough to fly hijacked planes into buildings to kill as many Muslims as they possibly can, when they start chopping heads off of Arab journalists in front of cameras, then we'll have a debate about garbage production. Until then, your guys win this category hands down, my friend.

Other than that, give me friggen break on your Islam is the answer #######! I don't want to hear it.

have you lived in paksitan? if not, then you have no idea how life is there , and where it is worse.

I haven't lived in Pakistan and don't think I ever will. But I've been in places that are much worse off. How do I know? Because there are certain indicators that give that kind of stuff away:

Country: Ethiopia

Population: 74.2 million (UN, 2005)

Capital: Addis Ababa

Area: 1.13 million sq km (437,794 sq miles)

Major languages: Amharic, Oromo, Tigrinya, Somali

Major religions: Christianity, Islam

Life expectancy: 46 years (men), 49 years (women) (UN)

Monetary unit: 1 Birr = 100 cents

Main exports: Coffee, hides, oilseeds, beeswax, sugarcane

GNI per capita: US $160 (World Bank, 2006)

Full country name: Islamic Republic of Pakistan

Population: 161.1 million (UN, 2005)

Capital: Islamabad

Area: 796,095 sq km (307,374 sq miles), excluding Pakistani-administered Kashmir (83,716 sq km/32,323 sq miles)

Major languages: English, Urdu, Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashto, Balochi

Major religion: Islam

Life expectancy: 63 years (men), 63 years (women) (UN)

Monetary unit: 1 Pakistani Rupee = 100 paisa

Main exports: Textile products, rice, cotton, leather goods

GNI per capita: US $690 (World Bank, 2006)

So, whatever you saw in terms of poverty in Pakistan, imagine people had a quarter of what they had to live on, take about 20 years off of people's life expectancy, multiply the prevalance of HIV/AIDS (and thus the number of orphans) by maybe 5 to 10 or so and then you have a pretty good idea of what Ethiopa looks like. Now that, my friend, is poverty.

And other than a few fanatical Muslims, there ain't no terrorists coming out of Ethiopia. Explain that.

Edited September 4, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Mirorgate 0]

RKhalid.. for the love of the baby jesus... if you quote numbers and stats.. provide the link back to where you get them. and to get accurate percentages into decimals.. move the decimal place 2 to the left... not 4 or 5 to inflate numbers exponentially.

As ET says.. the west aint perfect... but again.. if you quote someone or some place... provide the links for others verification... else skip it and just say "IN MY OPIONION". ppl tend not to laugh to hard that way.

[RKhalid 0]

RKhalid.. for the love of the baby jesus... if you quote numbers and stats.. provide the link back to where you get them. and to get accurate percentages into decimals.. move the decimal place 2 to the left... not 4 or 5 to inflate numbers exponentially.

As ET says.. the west aint perfect... but again.. if you quote someone or some place... provide the links for others verification... else skip it and just say "IN MY OPIONION". ppl tend not to laugh to hard that way.

that's understandable, i go back in my website history and give the links, i apologize

RKhalid.. for the love of the baby jesus... if you quote numbers and stats.. provide the link back to where you get them. and to get accurate percentages into decimals.. move the decimal place 2 to the left... not 4 or 5 to inflate numbers exponentially.

As ET says.. the west aint perfect... but again.. if you quote someone or some place... provide the links for others verification... else skip it and just say "IN MY OPIONION". ppl tend not to laugh to hard that way.

that's understandable, i go back in my website history and give the links, i apologize

interesting how the only thing you have to say is that i didnt quote, and no real concern about usa problems, other that "the west ain't perfect" ....then i guess we are no one to judge the problems of other countries...

[Mirorgate 0]

RKhalid.. for the love of the baby jesus... if you quote numbers and stats.. provide the link back to where you get them. and to get accurate percentages into decimals.. move the decimal place 2 to the left... not 4 or 5 to inflate numbers exponentially.

As ET says.. the west aint perfect... but again.. if you quote someone or some place... provide the links for others verification... else skip it and just say "IN MY OPIONION". ppl tend not to laugh to hard that way.

that's understandable, i go back in my website history and give the links, i apologize

RKhalid.. for the love of the baby jesus... if you quote numbers and stats.. provide the link back to where you get them. and to get accurate percentages into decimals.. move the decimal place 2 to the left... not 4 or 5 to inflate numbers exponentially.

As ET says.. the west aint perfect... but again.. if you quote someone or some place... provide the links for others verification... else skip it and just say "IN MY OPIONION". ppl tend not to laugh to hard that way.

that's understandable, i go back in my website history and give the links, i apologize

interesting how the only thing you have to say is that i didnt quote, and no real concern about usa problems, other that "the west ain't perfect" ....then i guess we are no one to judge the problems of other countries...

you want me to comment on things I have not read for myself? nor have looked into yet? Sure.. I can do that.. but I'd rather back them up with facts than feelings... you know?

[RKhalid 0]

RKhalid.. for the love of the baby jesus... if you quote numbers and stats.. provide the link back to where you get them.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR511602005

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarma...in_b_20302.html

http://www.zerr.org/family/index.php?topic...sg382;topicseen

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/quarterly/Vol_4/4_4/q2_1.asp

I think that's all, now what do you have to say about the real problem here...further more, those numbers weren't my math, my math would be even worse...lol, i got it from www.zerr.org

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I've lived in pakistan for 9 months ( im a white american) and i saw the poverty, and the lack of education, manners, organization...you have never experienced such a life like they have...

There are places much poorer and much more hopeless than Pakistan or any other place in the Middle East, South Asia or Persia. Oddly, the vast majority of those places do not produce people ready to kill themselves to hurt the US or Western Europe or to do so otherwise. Incidentally, Islam is not the predominant religion in those places either. Yet those that come from those other regions, I have mainly East Africa in mind for quite obvious rasons, that sympathize with or engage in the plotting and / or carrying out of terrorist activities identify themselves exclusively with the religion of Islam.

But no, I am not trying to suggest anything at this point. I want you to see and acknowledge, though, that terrorism has it's roots not in poverty and hopelessness as you would like to suggest. To the contrary, many , if not most, of those involved in terrorist activities are educated, middle class individuals that have been dealt a better deck then the majority of the people populating our planet. There are other components in play. And those are non materialistic.

Thailand is really poor. But only the muslims blow people up. The buddhists (a 95% majority) aren't a problem.

[Mirorgate 0]

RKhalid.. for the love of the baby jesus... if you quote numbers and stats.. provide the link back to where you get them.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR511602005

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarma...in_b_20302.html

http://www.zerr.org/family/index.php?topic...sg382;topicseen

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/quarterly/Vol_4/4_4/q2_1.asp

I think that's all, now what do you have to say about the real problem here...further more, those numbers weren't my math, my math would be even worse...lol, i got it from www.zerr.org

Thanks for the links. I will look them over and reply to them.

[RKhalid 0]

Sure.. I can do that.. but I'd rather back them up with facts than feelings... you know?

it's funny that you automatically assumed that these aren't facts, so fine, that's your choice...quilty till innocent right...well i posted the sites...these aren't my opinions, these are the facts, now please, what do you really have to say about the crime rate in america, other than "we ain't perfect"

and if you think it's wrong to have feelings about problems in the world, then i don't want to be right, because i believe that it is our concern, our feelings and passion for doing what is right that fixes problems, not people with a big book of stats.