CALLING THEM ISLAMIC FASCISTS CAN'T HELP

[canuhandleit 0]

He DID NOT come with immigration intent. Back in the 1980s, they were alot more leniant with visas in general, FYI. He had no reason to! His family is filthy rich in Pakistan and has been since 1962.

By definition of the law, he was never an actual illegal. He has his own social security #, his own DL, he had work authorization from immigration, everything...

Edited August 28, 2006 by canuhandleit

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

hahaha, looks like I hit a nerve too.

Why would I want your sympathy? No, I don't want your sympathy nor anyone elses.

I never said that you are apart of any of those organizations, those organizations are based on ignorance. Ignorance also runs in your blood obviously.

yawn. still trying to make sense out of your father being here for 20+ years illegally? i fail to see any defense for that. face it, your dad is not part of the solution, he's part of the problem

but you'll keep trying to make it appear different i'm sure

Actually, if you want to play that way, let me get into the legality of everything.

From 1982-1984 he had a valid visa... From 1984 to 2005 he wasn't illegal, but he wasn't legal either. He was what you call an "adjusting applicant." Why was he an "adjusting applicant" for so long you ask? Well, immigration decided to mess up with my dad's file.

Adjusting from what to what? Seriously, I am not being sarcastic!

edit-never mind

Acrueing overstay time while waiting for case approval is not the same as immigrating with the intention of sidestepping the legal immigration process.

but it was said he was adjusting from a tourist visa to perm. res. visa. Or maybe I misunderstood?

That's the grey area. Its not illegal to do (say if you meet your future sould mate) on holiday, it is illegal to enter on a tourist visa / visa waiver with a pre-meditated plan to stay permanently.

[canuhandleit 0]

Yeah, he entered with tourist intentions.

Met the love of his life after a year (aka my mom) and settled down here.

Also, he didn't leave because he KNEW he could adjust in the US, so, why leave? If given the oppurtunity... take advantage. It was also much easier to adjust back in the 1980s, after the passage of the 1996 Immigration Reform... everything got complicated!

Edited August 28, 2006 by canuhandleit

[tmma 467]

Yeah, he entered with tourist intentions.

Met the love of his life after a year (aka my mom) and settled down here.

Also, he didn't leave because he KNEW he could adjust in the US, so, why leave? If given the oppurtunity... take advantage. It was also much easier to adjust back in the 1980s, after the passage of the 1996 Immigration Reform... everything got complicated!

I see

well, best of luck!

[canuhandleit 0]

Eh my dad's permanent card is ready and has been for the past few months... but like every other Muslim man he has to wait for security clearance. (According to the Embassy, 80% of Muslim men are put under security clearance, the rest of the 20% are usually children or people above the age of 65... or just incredibly lucky.)

Edited August 28, 2006 by canuhandleit

[tmma 467]

Eh my dad's permanent card is ready and has been for the past few months... but like every other Muslim man he has to wait for security clearance. (According to the Embassy, 80% of Muslim men are put under security clearance, the rest of the 20% are usually children or people above the age of 65... or just incredibly lucky.)

Everybody that immigrates has to undergo security checks, the extra checks imposed are not entirely limited to " men that are Muslim" are they?

I didn't see anywhere on any immigration forms that asked for the applicant/beneficiary religion.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Eh my dad's permanent card is ready and has been for the past few months... but like every other Muslim man he has to wait for security clearance. (According to the Embassy, 80% of Muslim men are put under security clearance, the rest of the 20% are usually children or people above the age of 65... or just incredibly lucky.)

Everybody that immigrates has to undergo security checks, the extra checks imposed are not entirely limited to " men that are Muslim" are they?

I didn't see anywhere on any immigration forms that asked for the applicant/beneficiary religion.

They don't ask, but they do profile - according to your country of origin. Those countries with alleged 'terrorist ties' or a history of visa fraud are looked at more strictly.

Edited August 28, 2006 by erekose

[Veiled Princess 1]

Eh my dad's permanent card is ready and has been for the past few months... but like every other Muslim man he has to wait for security clearance. (According to the Embassy, 80% of Muslim men are put under security clearance, the rest of the 20% are usually children or people above the age of 65... or just incredibly lucky.)

Seriously Canuhandleit, don't bother explaining yourself or anything to Charles (or a few others here). It's really a waste of time. TRUST ME, many (if not most) people here do not care. They don't want to sympathize with you. They don't want to understand anything that is different from them. As I saw in another thread... anyone who sympathizes with Arabs or Muslims is a traitor to the USA and should pretty much just die because we're all scum. Before long we'll all be in concentration camps (much like Palestine is on it's way to) and everyone can feel safe and secure then once all the big bad ugly scary Arabs/muslims have been captured or killed.

I mean good grief... even muslims here hate muslims

Edited August 29, 2006 by Veiled Princess

[canuhandleit 0]

Oh these are past the normal security checks. It's called administartive review/administartive processing. 80% of Muslim Men are put on it... I recieved this statistic from the Islamabad Embassy when I went my dad to his interview.

Yeah, they profile you by country of origin. There are what they call T26 countries (aka Terrible 26 Countries) and most men are put under extra security clearance.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79

Just in that thread alone, people have been waiting a while for security checks. Shon has been waiting a year now...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh these are past the normal security checks. It's called administartive review/administartive processing. 80% of Muslim Men are put on it... I recieved this statistic from the Islamabad Embassy when I went my dad to his interview.

Yeah, they profile you by country of origin. There are what they call T26 countries (aka Terrible 26 Countries) and most men are put under extra security clearance.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79

Just in that thread alone, people have been waiting a while for security checks. Shon has been waiting a year now...

How much of that I wonder is simply the result of bureaucratic incompetence? My case was straightforward, but that didn't stop the bastards losing my file between CSC and NVC.

[canuhandleit 0]

I think it's per instruction of law... there have been many acts passed since 9/11 that have increased immigration security. What comes with that is... alot of people going through security clearances in Muslim countries. It's really not fair... if there is a prior conviction record or something, they should put you on extra security clearance.. but why put someone like my dad on it? He lived in the US for the longest time and did nothing but good, why would he do anything wrong now? The normal security check should have been enough for him.

Edited August 29, 2006 by canuhandleit

[tmma 467]

Eh my dad's permanent card is ready and has been for the past few months... but like every other Muslim man he has to wait for security clearance. (According to the Embassy, 80% of Muslim men are put under security clearance, the rest of the 20% are usually children or people above the age of 65... or just incredibly lucky.)

Everybody that immigrates has to undergo security checks, the extra checks imposed are not entirely limited to " men that are Muslim" are they?

I didn't see anywhere on any immigration forms that asked for the applicant/beneficiary religion.

They don't ask, but they do profile - according to your country of origin. Those countries with alleged 'terrorist ties' or a history of visa fraud are looked at more strictly.

Flame away at this but honestly, my first reaction to this statement was " can you really blame the USCIS for doing that?"

People coming in from countries where say, state-sponsored terrorism is well known to the US Govt should be looked at more closely by USCIS-it's their job to make sure that no one who supports terrorism against the US is allowed in. It's unfortunate and not fair that yet again, the majority who are completely innocent have to pay for the actions of the fanatical few.

In my opinion the blame for that lies not with the US Govt and USCIS ( they are merely doing their job in trying to weed out the terrorists/fraudsters to keep everyone already here safe), the blame lies with the extremists from the beneficiaries country of origin. It's their fault that their own country men and women have such a hard time immigrating to be with their loved ones; and it is indeed sad; and I do genuinely feel for all those people who are going through the endless waiting. It must be a nightmare. I am so suprised there isn't more outrage from both sides of the ocean.

Edited August 29, 2006 by tmma

[canuhandleit 0]

But okay... sure security clearance is fine. I can wait 1 month, I can wait 2 months, I can wait 3 months, but anything more than that is just stupid. If they want to do these checks, why don't they stop eating donuts and do them for God's sake instead of putting them aside?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Flame away at this but honestly, my first reaction to this statement was " can you really blame the USCIS for doing that?"

I don't blame them for doing that - but I don't think its justifiable to hide behind "additional security" as a way of explaining delays and essentially justifying bureaucratic incompetence.

In my opinion the blame for that lies not with the US Govt and USCIS ( they are merely doing their job in trying to weed out the terrorists/fraudsters to keep everyone already here safe), the blame lies with the extremists from the beneficiaries country of origin. It's their fault that their own country men and women have such a hard time immigrating to be with their loved ones; and it is indeed sad; and I do genuinely feel for all those people who are going through the endless waiting. It must be a nightmare. I am so suprised there isn't more outrage from both sides of the ocean.

Quite simply, why would there be? The vast majority of people (from many countries) never immigrate to the US, so at best its a minority issue. Of course that isn't a particularly great answer for the very many people stuck in a bureaucratic nightmare.

Edited August 29, 2006 by erekose

[tmma 467]

Eh my dad's permanent card is ready and has been for the past few months... but like every other Muslim man he has to wait for security clearance. (According to the Embassy, 80% of Muslim men are put under security clearance, the rest of the 20% are usually children or people above the age of 65... or just incredibly lucky.)

Seriously Canuhandleit, don't bother explaining yourself or anything to Charles (or a few others here). It's really a waste of time. TRUST ME, many (if not most) people here do not care. They don't want to sympathize with you. They don't want to understand anything that is different from them. As I saw in another thread... anyone who sympathizes with Arabs or Muslims is a traitor to the USA and should pretty much just die because we're all scum. Before long we'll all be in concentration camps (much like Palestine is on it's way to) and everyone can feel safe and secure then once all the big bad ugly scary Arabs/muslims have been captured or killed.

I mean good grief... even muslims here hate muslims

Oh please.......................Well, I don't know who you mean by "most".

My dialogue was nothing to do with being Muslim or not-don't you agree that countries have a right to protect their borders? Any country has that right, and most enforce it too.

Big suprise for you, VP--but not everything revolves around wether someone is Muslim or not. Other factors are considered! But not by you, obviously.