Winters like this are why tiny cars will never make it in America

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You're all fixating on the SUV like the dumb little libruls they say you are. The SUV is an example of what I'm getting at - vehicles with mass as opposed to the boxes of thin tin the envirofreaks want us to buy.

That's what sand bags are for.

[Pooky 3,828]

Hippies do not like subaru; they get shitty fuel efficiency. I think it is the hipsters that like them.

A 2003 Scooby-Doo Outback will get you 31 mpg highway with permanent 4WD.

If you call that sh!tty, I'd like to see what you'd call economical with permanent 4WD.

[james&olya 1,121]

Just the other day, after a decent snowfall, I watched an SUV try to plow its way through a pile of snow in a parking lot and get stuck.

Every time we have snow on the ground, the interstate between Phoenix and Flagstaff is riddled with SUV's that have slid or tumbled off the embankment because the drivers think SUV's can handle the snow and ice.

While 4WD gives you better traction on the roads in most SUV's, you give up having a lower center of gravity and less weight, which works against you when driving on icy roads.

I'd take a FWD sedan with snow tires or chains over any SUV when having to drive on icy roads. As for when there's heavy snowfall, there's no vehicle short of a snow mobile that can drive when there is more than about 18" of snow.

I have driven and still drive both small fwd cars and big 4WD trucks (3/4 ton HD ext cab 8'box turbodiesel with 6spd manual) and have never had problems getting around with either in spite of being in one of the snowiest areas of north america! It really has more to do with the driver! Many people forget that 4WD only helps with acceleration. When it comes to steering and braking all vehicles are pretty much the same. Tire selection can help significantly but you can outfit your prius just as easily as your SUV (and for a lot less money, btw). I don't need or use the truck except for carrying or pulling heavy loads. The smaller vehicles we have are much easier on the wallet and the environment. Also, when I have visited my fiancee in northern Russia, I never see p/u trucks and relatively few SUV's. Small sedans are the norm there and they can do just fine.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You're all fixating on the SUV like the dumb little libruls they say you are. The SUV is an example of what I'm getting at - vehicles with mass as opposed to the boxes of thin tin the envirofreaks want us to buy.

Toyota RAV4 weighs about 3,360lbs. A Prius weighs about 3,000lbs. Dumbass.

[chri'stina 190]

uh ohhhh

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Toyota RAV4 weighs about 3,360lbs. A Prius weighs about 3,000lbs. Dumbass.

Enjoy the Prius during a blizzard. It's your funeral.

[mawilson 2,133]

Enjoy the Prius during a blizzard. It's your funeral.

I had the misfortune of driving one in the UK during a snowstorm last year... never again.

[james&olya 1,121]

You're all fixating on the SUV like the dumb little libruls they say you are. The SUV is an example of what I'm getting at - vehicles with mass as opposed to the boxes of thin tin the envirofreaks want us to buy.

The reason why tiny cars aren't popular here has less to do with winter and more to do with attitudes like this!

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The reason why tiny cars aren't popular here has less to do with winter and more to do with attitudes like this!

I had to go out during the blizzard yesterday. The little tin boxes were all stranded on the side waiting for a taxpayer bailout.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I had to go out during the blizzard yesterday. The little tin boxes were all stranded on the side waiting for a taxpayer bailout.

That's funny. Out here it's usually the big SUV's rolled over off the interstate because some redneck thought he was driving a tank.

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That's funny. Out here it's usually the big SUV's rolled over off the interstate because some redneck thought he was driving a tank.

Not what i saw last night.

[james&olya 1,121]

I had to go out during the blizzard yesterday. The little tin boxes were all stranded on the side waiting for a taxpayer bailout.

The big tin boxes were there as well but maybe you didn't see them. Their greater mass carried them further off the road and buried them in the snowbank!!

There is a serious safety issue here. These big SUV's piloted by morons can accelerate away from a stop much quicker but then they find when they need to stop the four wheel drive makes no difference in braking or steering and they become a significant hazard to everyone else out there!!

[chri'stina 190]

Good thing you posted this thread here, it's too intense for off topic!! I foresee some FB friendships ending over this issue.

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Good thing you posted this thread here, it's too intense for off topic!! I foresee some FB friendships ending over this issue.

ROFL

[james&olya 1,121]

Good thing you posted this thread here, it's too intense for off topic!! I foresee some FB friendships ending over this issue.

Nah, this is fun! I hope nobody takes any of this as more than just good-natured bickering between friends!!