Killing for God and Country

[Dan and Judy 614]

What is the difference between Killing for country, Killing for god, Killing for honor, Killing for pleasure.

Is Killing for "Our" country Honorable but killing us for their country evil? Has

killing for god become politically incorrect? Under what circumstances is killing justified?

[Pooky 3,825]

What is the difference between Killing for country, Killing for god, Killing for honor, Killing for pleasure.

Is Killing for "Our" country Honorable but killing us for their country evil? Has

killing for god become politically incorrect? Under what circumstances is killing justified?

Great topic for Christmas Eve.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Do you mean killing in general, or homicide in particular?

HOMICIDE, crim. law. According to Blackstone, it is the killing of any human creature. 4 Com. 177. This is the most extensive sense of this word, in which the intention is not considered. But in a more limited sense, it is always understood that the killing is by human agency, and Hawkins defines it to be the killing of a man by a man. 1 Hawk. c. 8, s. 2. See Dalloz, Dict. h.t. Homicide may perhaps be described to be the destruction of the life of one human being, either by himself, or by the act, procurement, or culpable omission of another. When the death has been intentionally caused by the deceased himself, the offender is called felo de se; when it is caused by another, it is justifiable, excusable, or felonious.

2. The person killed must have been born; the killing before birth is balled foeticide. (q.v.)

3. The destruction of human life at any period after birth, is homicide, however near it may be to extinction, from any other cause.

4.-1. Justifiable homicide is such as arises, 1st. From unavoidable necessity, without any will, intention or desire, and without any inadvertence in the party killing, and therefore without blame; as, for instance, the execution, according to law, of a criminal who has been lawfully sentenced to be hanged; or, 2d. It is committed for the advancement of public justice; as if an officer, in the lawful execution of his office, either in a civil or criminal case, should kill a person who assaults and resists him. 4 Bl. Com. 178-1 80. See Justifiable Homicide.

5.-2. Excusable homicide is of two kinds 1st. Homicide per infortunium. (q.v.) or, 2d. Se defendendo, or self defence. (q.v.) 4 Bl. Com. 182, 3.

6.-3. Felonious homicide, which includes, 1. Self-murder, or suicide; 2. Man-slaughter, (q.v.); and, 3. Murder. (q.v.) Vide, generally, 3 Inst. 47 to 57; 1 Hale P. C. 411 to 602; 1 Hawk. c. 8; Fost. 255 to 837; 1 East, P. C. 214 to 391; Com. Dig. Justices, L. M.; Bac. Ab. Murder and Homicide; Burn's Just. h.t.; Williams' Just. h.t.; 2 Chit. Cr. Law, ch. 9; Cro. C. C. 285 to 300; 4 Bl. Com. to 204; 1 Russ. Cr. 421 to 553; 2 Swift's Dig. 267 to 292.

A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier. Published 1856.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide

[Dan and Judy 614]

Do you mean killing in general, or homicide in particular?

Well I had homicide in mind, but if someone would like to address killing dogs for food thats ok.

[james&olya 1,121]

Well I had homicide in mind, but if someone would like to address killing dogs for food thats ok.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Well I had homicide in mind, but if someone would like to address killing dogs for food thats ok.

You mean pulutan? Mighty tasty!

Dogs for ‘pulutan’ saved in raid of Baguio restaurant

LA Trinidad, Benguet -- London-based Political Animal Lobby (PAL) and the Philippine authorities rescued dozens of dogs ready for slaughter and at least a dozen which were already dead during a dawn raid yesterday on a popular dog meat restaurant’s illegal slaughter house here.

Volunteers of PAL led by its campaigns director Englishman David Barrett, operatives of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group led by Supt. Generoso Bonifacio and officials of the government National Meat Inspection Commission (NMIC) swooped down on the slaughter house of the Comiles Restaurant at Poblacion barangay here and saved 52 dogs from being butchered and served at the restaurant that day.

"This is gross!" cried a teary Barrett, as he entered the Comiles butcherhouse and witnessed three men about to kill a muzzled dog with a piece of wood.

PAL founded six years ago in London and with chapters all over the world including the Philippines, lobbies for political legislation against inhumane treatment of animals.

Fourteen dogs were already slaughtered when the raiding team arrived, along with Baguio journalists at the famous restaurant’s compound to give teeth to Republic Act 8485 or the Animal Welfare Act which Congress passed in 1999.

The three butchers were placed under the custody of the CIDG but Bonifacio released them upon the intercession of lawyer Jose Molintas.

The raid was the culmination of a month long surveillance starting last September at the request of PAL which intensified its campaign to monitor any act of cruelty against animals like dogs.

It was the first raid this year conducted by law enforcers and government agencies against establishments that serve dog meat for human consumption since the law was enacted.

Food establishments in Benguet and Baguio City serving dog meat were up in arms when Congress first tried to pass the law in 1998.

http://www.dogmeattrade.com/library_articles/dogs_pulutan.html

[Dan and Judy 614]

You mean pulutan? Mighty tasty!

I can't believe the Philippines knuckled under to western pressure on this. I looked up the law, here is a piece of it. If you'll notice, it is ok to kill the dog for god. also it appears the Philippines had

no intention of inforcing the law, If PAL wasnt "participating in the raid" it never would have happened. I'm guessing there was some sort of aid package tied to passing the law. 20 years ago

I was in PI and a puppy with a bloody head went yelping by me. He proceeded to hide under some old tires. Close on his heels were a group of teenagers. I already understood they were going

to eat it. It ripped my heart out but I didnt do anything. If I had seen the same thing here in the states I would have grabbed a baseball bat and defended the dog. I guess that's an example of my morals being situational.

Same visit, different house, I opened the front door and the neighbor whose front door was about 6 ft from ours was busy singing the hair off of a dead doberman with a blow torch. I was real close to vomiting. That is one nasty smell, I had to leave for the rest of the day. I went to the mall and had a good old fashioned hamburger (I think). My girlfriend stayed at home and got free dog tacos.

SECTION 6: It shall be unlawful for any person to torture any animal, to neglect to provide adequate care, sustenance or shelter, or maltreat any animal or to subject any dog or horse to dogfights or horsefights, kill or cause or procure to be tortured or deprived of adequate care, sustenance or shelter, or maltreat or use the same in research or experiments not expressly authorized by the Committee on Animal Welfare.

The killing of any animal rather than cattle, pigs, goats, sheep, poultry, rabbits, carabaos, horses, deer and crocodiles is likewise hereby declared unlawful except in the following instances:

(1) When it is done as part of the religious rituals of an established religion or sect or a ritual required by tribal or ethnic custom of indigenous cultural communities; however, leaders shall keep records in cooperation with the Committee on Animal Welfare;

(2) When the pet animal id afflicted with an incurable communicable disease as determined and certified by a duly licensed veterinarian;

(3) When the killing is deemed necessary to put an end to the misery suffered by the animal as determined and certified by a duly veterinarian;

(4) When it is done to prevent an imminent danger to the life or limb of a human being; and

(5) When done for the purpose of animal population control;

(6) When the animal is killed after it has been used in authorized research or experiments; and

(7) Any other ground analogous to the foregoing as determined and certified by a licensed veterinarian.

In all the above mentioned cases, including those of cattle, pigs, goats, sheep, poultry, rabbits, carabaos, horses, deer and crocodiles the killing of the animals shall be done through humane procedures at all times.

For this purpose, humane procedures shall mean the use of the most scientific methods available as may be determined and approved by the Committee.

Only those procedures approved by the Committee shall be used in the killing of animals.

SECTION 7: It shall be the duty of every person to protect the natural habitat of the wildlife. The destruction of said habitat shall be considered as a form of cruelty to animals and its preservation is a way of protecting the animals.

SECTION 8: Any person who violates any of the provisions of this Act shall, upon conviction by final judgment, be punished by imprisonment of not less than six (6) months nor more than two (2) years or a fine or not less than One thousand pesos (P1,000) nor more that Five thousand pesos (P5,000) or both at the discretion of the Court. If the violation is committed by a juridical person, the officer responsible therefore shall serve the imprisonment when imposed. If the violation is committed by an alien, he or she shall be immediately deported after service of sentence without any further proceedings.

SECTION http://www.internationalwildlifelaw.org/phil_animal_act.html

[Ban Hammer 13,475]

dogs are supposed to be man's best friend, not man's best meal.

[sjr09 155]

“I went to the mall and had a good old fashioned hamburger”

keeping in view with the sentiments. Hindu religion, slaughter of the cows is banned in several states. I’m sure they would have grabbed a baseball bat and defended the cow, as you tried to consume it. It’s ones culture, just not yours.

[Dan and Judy 614]

"I went to the mall and had a good old fashioned hamburger"

keeping in view with the sentiments. Hindu religion, slaughter of the cows is banned in several states. I'm sure they would have grabbed a baseball bat and defended the cow, as you tried to consume it. It's ones culture, just not yours.

I guess the irony of the statement was too subtle for you. Or did you just feel the need to explain it for those that didn't catch it?

[sjr09 155]

I guess the irony of the statement was too subtle for you. Or did you just feel the need to explain it for those that didn't catch it?

If I was poor with little or no food I’d make Kau Kau and grind on dat ’Ili’o.

[Dan and Judy 614]

Let me rephrase the original question: perhaps it is too abstract.

Is there a moral difference between flying a plane into a building and killing 3000 people for god, and joining the United States Marines and killing members of Al Qaeda in afganistan for the United States?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Let me rephrase the original question: perhaps it is too abstract.

Is there a moral difference between flying a plane into a building and killing 3000 people for god, and joining the United States Marines and killing members of Al Qaeda in afganistan for the United States?

Morals are subjective. When you fight against a much stronger opponent, your options are limited. Terrorists on one side, are Freedom Fighters on the other side, just as Imperialist Oppressors on one side, are Liberators on the other side.

[alienlovechild 75]

Is there a moral difference between flying a plane into a building and killing 3000 people for god, and joining the United States Marines and killing members of Al Qaeda in afganistan for the United States?

Depends on what type of government they'd bring about. The Taliban never faced an election and their government was only recognized by 3 nations. By contrast, the U.S. has a representative democracy with a constitutional government for over 200 hundreds and is recognized as a legitimate government by nearly all nations.

Hard to believe anyone wouldn't know the basic differences but I guess I shouldn't be shocked by comparisons. Usually hear the same argument that there's no difference between a cop and a criminal but they are the first to dial 911.

[^_^ 5,021]

Morality is irrelevant.