The D.R.E.A.M. Act is dead.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

If being illegal is a crime then anyone here illegal is a criminal. Seems easy but of course it does to sane people and anyone with intelligence.

If the parents make them a criminal then they are even more of a criminal as they also have laws that mean they are breaking additional laws. They have juvie halls for the kids to stay in until they are deported. I am kind hearted though and think we should hand them to foster parents instead until they can be deported with their criminal parents. If they decide to do with them as any American kids do when doing illegal stuff and put them in juvie hall then I can side with that. They are no better than a kid that commits crimes that is American. Of course some unreasonable people think they are better than Americans and they are usually foreigners themselves.

Well thats settled then. Being illegal is not a crime, therefore they are not criminals. The oddest thing you continue to post is the fact that a parent "makes them a criminal". You can't make someone else a criminal, by "making" someone a criminal it implies they have had no say or will of their own, which means they can't be responsible.

Edited December 23, 2010 by Sousuke

[luckytxn 2,265]

Well thats settled then. Being illegal is not a crime, therefore they are not criminals. The oddest thing you continue to post is the fact that a parent "makes them a criminal". You can't make someone else a criminal, by "making" someone a criminal it implies they have had no say or will of their own, which means they can't be responsible.

Drinking again? Brain cells are definitely gone there.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Drinking again? Brain cells are definitely gone there.

I would accuse you of the same but I know deep down that you are just a hateful spiteful person who probably enjoys seeing children suffer.

Edited December 23, 2010 by Sousuke

[sjr09 155]

I would accuse you of the same but I know deep down that you are just a hateful spiteful person who probably enjoys seeing children suffer.

Some personal feeling, should remain personal!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Some personal feeling, should remain personal!

Not personal, illustrated through posts. A child is never a criminal for the action of a parent. To say otherwise is wrong and is a sign the person doesn't actually care about children.

Some personal feeling, should remain personal!

Funny enough accusing me of being a drunk is not?

Edited December 23, 2010 by Sousuke

[^_^ 5,021]

Not personal, illustrated through posts. A child is never a criminal for the action of a parent. To say otherwise is wrong and is a sign the person doesn't actually care about children.

That's the beauty of being a Republican. You can be a sociopath and have an elaborate political belief system justify it.

[sachinky 465]

Frankly, I don't care as much about children "suffering." *shock, horror, gasp* They lived off the system for several years, possibly leading a better life than they would've back home in Mexico and now they can return home as adults once they turn 18 if they are unable to continue their education and/or find a job. It is the Mexican government's responsibility to look after it's own citizens -- the U.S. government is under no obligation to amend the sins of non-citizen parents.

As far as I'm concerned, if this bill were passed, it would basically convey the message to the thousands of to-be-LEGAL-immigrants waiting in line for official approval -- many of them for years -- that they're all a bunch of suckers. It is such a slap in the face that it readily makes my blood boil.

[sachinky 465]

A child is never a criminal for the action of a parent.

I agree with you on that statement but neither should a child be "rewarded" for the illegal/criminal actions of a parent. If a parent robs a bank, maybe even with the noble intention to feed his family, does the bank reward the child by letting him keep all the stolen money?

Edited December 23, 2010 by sachinky

[LaL 418]

I agree with you on that statement but neither should a child be "rewarded" for the illegal/criminal actions of a parent. If a parent robs a bank, maybe even with the noble intention to feed his family, does the bank reward the child by letting him keep all the stolen money?

that is a terrible analogy

[sachinky 465]

Please feel free to elaborate why it is so.

[LaL 418]

no thanks!

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I agree with you on that statement but neither should a child be "rewarded" for the illegal/criminal actions of a parent. If a parent robs a bank, maybe even with the noble intention to feed his family, does the bank reward the child by letting him keep all the stolen money?

That's really skewed.

The bank robber goes to jail. Not his kids.

[sachinky 465]

Yea, and so should the parent who sneaked across the border illegally. The kids aren't being sent to jail as they are considered to be innocent of the crime of border-jumping (or robbing the bank) and I agree with that. However, BOTH of those actions are illegal and therefore, no one, not even a "child", should be allowed to benefit from it.

Deportation, however, as the law views it and Jim pointed out, is NOT a punishment.

Edited December 23, 2010 by sachinky

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

That's really skewed.

The bank robber goes to jail. Not his kids.

But the kids of the bank robber aren't allowed to benefit from the illegal actions of the parents.

While I agree that currently illegal presence isn't criminal that is only because the statutes make it more of a civil offense like red light camera offenses. So no they're technically not criminals but they have demonstrated a lack of respect for our laws.

Additionally, once this illegal child turns 18 if they don't leave then they are just as guilty of continuing their illegal presence as their parents were of bringing them in the first place.

Does it suck for them that they are out of place here and there? Sure it does but again why is that our problem to solve?

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Yea, and so should the parent who sneaked across the border illegally. The kids aren't being sent to jail as they are considered to be innocent of the crime of border-jumping (or robbing the bank) and I agree with that.

Deportation, however, as the law views it and Jim pointed out, is NOT a punishment.

It's all really black and white with you, isn't it?

You had to stand in a line that you thought was too long, and now damned be everyone else who doesn't suffer like you did.

But the kids of the bank robber aren't allowed to benefit from the illegal actions of the parents.

While I agree that currently illegal presence isn't criminal that is only because the statutes make it more of a civil offense like red light camera offenses. So no they're technically not criminals but they have demonstrated a lack of respect for our laws.

Additionally, once this illegal child turns 18 if they don't leave then they are just as guilty of continuing their illegal presence as their parents were of bringing them in the first place.

Does it suck for them that they are out of place here and there? Sure it does but again why is that our problem to solve?

You and I, because we study this process, know that 18 is the drop dead date.

How many of those young people know this fact?

Do you think a 16 year old should have to show up to USCIS and confess?

Come on, get real.