The D.R.E.A.M. Act is dead.

[luckytxn 2,265]

it depends on what age they are and if they know what right and wrong is...

Also from what I went and googled it said that ICE has rounded up the kids with the families to be deported. I also have found that anyone that comes here illegally is an illegal and no matter what age. Usually the kids stay at foster parents while the criminal parents stay at the deportation centers and then get deported together.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Also from what I went and googled it said that ICE has rounded up the kids with the families to be deported. I also have found that anyone that comes here illegally is an illegal and no matter what age. Usually the kids stay at foster parents while the criminal parents stay at the deportation centers and then get deported together.

That doesn't make them a criminal. Yes they may be here illegally, but on the books there is no crime. They face deportation, not a criminal court. More misinformation by Lucky.

Edited December 20, 2010 by Sousuke

[luckytxn 2,265]

Breaking the law and being illegal is not being a criminal. Must be more Socialist thinking.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Breaking the law and being illegal is not being a criminal. Must be more Socialist thinking.

If thats the case then you are a criminal because I'm sure you've broken the law at least once.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

I teach in an urban minority school. I deal with gangs, drugs, and violence every day. Many of my students are immigrants. Some are legal; others are not.

I have had a young person tell me of being woken up one morning when she was 9 years old; they were going to the U.S. Looking back, the student now knows they entered illegally; but at the time, she didn't really have any clue what was going on. She has no idea what she is supposed to do now.

I know of another young man. He is my top student. He has been here since about the age of 4. He really doesn't know any other place as home. He is an honor student and has never been in trouble a day in his life. But he's given up on life.

Neither of these students has a real future ahead of them. If they are here; they have no future. The other option is they could "go back where they came from". But realize, they don't really know the other country. They only know this place as home.

I believe in the rule of law. I know what the parents did was wrong. I believe the parents should be punished. But I also know that these young people did nothing wrong, but it's their lives that are ruined.

I don't think this is an easy issue to solve. I think the democrats just did this for political gain. I don't want to see people rewarded for breaking the law; but I also don't feel like celebrating the defeat of DREAM; because I know the people that this hurts.

Here is the question I have in response to this:

Why is it the responsibility of the US Government & Taxpayers to make right what these kids' parents did wrong? Shouldn't that responsibility fall onto the country where the children have legal status (are citizens)? I'm working my a$$ off to support my family and this government (no matter how broken and dishonest it is), why should I have to support them also?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Here is the question I have in response to this:

Why is it the responsibility of the US Government & Taxpayers to make right what these kids' parents did wrong? Shouldn't that responsibility fall onto the country where the children have legal status (are citizens)? I'm working my a$$ off to support my family and this government (no matter how broken and dishonest it is), why should I have to support them also?

because in the liberal mind set, you're an 'evil heartless bigot.'

i/e - you want to prevent them from increasing their bought/paid for voter base.

[B_J 2,752]

Here is the question I have in response to this:

Why is it the responsibility of the US Government & Taxpayers to make right what these kids' parents did wrong? Shouldn't that responsibility fall onto the country where the children have legal status (are citizens)? I'm working my a$$ off to support my family and this government (no matter how broken and dishonest it is), why should I have to support them also?

Just about to leave for Christmas, so I won't be posting for a while...

I absolutely agree that, in the case of the kids I know, that Mexico should do more for their citizens. But the reality is that they are here and it wasn't even their choice. And I'm not talking about taxpayers supporting anybody. I'm talking about kids who want to pay their way through college or join the military.

I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion. I'm just saying when you see somebody in a really bad situation in life and you know it wasn't their fault; it's just tough to be really really happy about some things.

[slim 1,533]

No its just Kathyrn only has time to view reported posts, she can't look through an entire thread. What I said previously did violate the TOS, instead I should have simply reported the offending posts.

Exactly my point. You can violate TOS all day long and it's no big deal provided the people in the thread aren't whiny little b!tches.

I'm not sure what you mean but if you're saying that being from an urban school or being a minority means having no future; then I couldn't disagree more. I still believe that, in this country, if you work harder than everyone else around you, then you can be successful. No matter your race or where you're from.

I'm glad you feel that way but let's check the statistics. Simply put, the ONLY option to make it out for most of these folks is the military or marriage to a military member. (Excluding jail or death.)

And they are good kids based upon the character they've shown. I judge them based on the content of their character, not the color of their skin; and certainly I don't judge them because of the choices their parents made.

Sorry, doctor/reverend, I didn't know my post implied any judgement at all.

BTW, in the DREAM act, I believe they wouldn't be eligible for any federal grants; they would work to pay for their education or they would have to earn private scholarships; but I could be mistaken on that.

Do you really believe the govt. would pass this act and then not follow it up with a "now that we've let them stay... we have to pay for their education" act as well? When you buy new votes you have to pay to keep them. That's on the front page of the Democratic Party handbook. Google it if you don't believe me.

no criminals should be allowed into the military. Why, so they can then be criminals but with weapons and the training to be effective killers. They are showing a total disregard for our laws but some want to reward them.

Where do you draw the line?

Speeding tickets? Petty theft? Illegal entry into the country at age 4? Marijuana?

If you say "no criminal" then you'd be cutting a lot of potential service members out before even giving them a chance to change their lives. I hate to break it to you, but a lot of the "statistics" mentioned in BJ's post above would be precluded from military service by your rule.

Let's keep 'em in the ghetto! More voters!

Joining the military has always been avenue to US citizenship and if this is the only country and home that they've ever known, then they can surely sign up to protect it and earn their citizenship. The right way.

Exactly!

Why is it the responsibility of the US Government & Taxpayers to make right what these kids' parents did wrong? Shouldn't that responsibility fall onto the country where the children have legal status (are citizens)? I'm working my a$$ off to support my family and this government (no matter how broken and dishonest it is), why should I have to support them also?

Excellent point. We should either give these kids a free ride to the border or boot camp. That's how much we should "help" them.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Exactly my point. You can violate TOS all day long and it's no big deal provided the people in the thread aren't whiny little b!tches.

Amen to that.

I got hosed (banned) a few times just because some meathead either a man hater and/or metrosexual came over to the RUB forum and didn't like what we were posting down there. Last time it was over us posting pics of our wives.

[sjr09 155]

Legislative Update December 20, 2010

　

Leading up to the vote – and recognizing they would likely fall short – Senators Harry Reid (D-NV), ####### Durbin (D-IL) and Robert Menendez (D-NJ) made impassioned speeches in an attempt to persuade their colleagues to support the DREAM Act. Senator Reid said he was “committed to passing the DREAM Act” and that DREAM Act was an important short-term goal while Senators work towards passing “comprehensive” immigration reform. He described the legislation as limited, saying that it will only benefit “talented, motivated young people” who came here as children. He argued that legalizing these individuals will help grow our economy, help the Pentagon meet its recruitment goals, and is just the “right thing to do.” “The DREAM Act,” he said, “could be nothing further from amnesty.” (Senate floor statement, Dec. 18, 2010)

Senator Durbin stressed what he considered to be the moral underpinnings of the DREAM Act. He urged his colleagues to find “political courage” and to “do the right thing” by voting for the bill. He showed photos on the Senate floor of several individuals who would receive amnesty under the DREAM Act, describing how each was an outstanding student who had much to contribute to the United States. Moreover, he compared the vote on the DREAM Act to voting on civil rights for African Americans in the 1960s and for women in the early 20^th century. (Durbin floor statement, Dec. 18, 2010)

Senator Menendez highlighted how Hispanics had contributed to American society, and especially to service in the armed forces, and warned his colleagues about the political implications of this vote. “[T]he Hispanic community is looking at this vote--40 million…. They understand this vote is about them, how they are viewed in this country, how they are perceived in this country….. (Menendez floor statement, Dec. 17, 2010) I don't know how any party can aspire to be the majority party with the largest minority in the country growing exponentially, as we will see by the next census, and continuously take votes and cast aspersions upon a community and think that it can achieve political success.” (Id.)

Senators also spoke forcefully in opposition to the bill. Among these included Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) who argued that Congress continues to ignore what the American people want by repeatedly attempting to pass amnesty legislation such as the DREAM Act. “Leaders in Washington have not only tolerated lawlessness but, in fact, our policies have encouraged it,” he said. (Sessions floor statement, Dec. 18, 2010) “The American people are pleading with Congress to enforce our laws. But this bill is a law that, at its fundamental core, is a reward for illegal activity.” (Id.)

Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC), who in the past has supported amnesty legislation, spoke out against what he considered Democratic Leadership’s abuse of the process. “To those who are bringing up this bill today, I know why you are doing it. You are not doing it to advance the issue. You are doing it to advance your situation politically. It is not appreciated. You are making it harder. You care more about politics in the last two weeks than you care about governing the country.” (Graham floor statement, Dec. 18, 2010) Sen. Graham then stressed the need to secure our borders: “We are not going to pass the DREAM Act or any other legalization program until we secure our borders. It will never be done stand-alone. It has to be part of comprehensive immigration reform. There is a war raging in Mexico that is compromising our national security. I would argue that the best thing for the Senate to do, the House to do, the administration to do, is work together to secure our borders before we do anything else.” (Id.)

The vote on the DREAM Act came in the last few days of the 111^th Congress, as Democratic Leaders were desperately trying to pass an amnesty bill before Republicans take control of the House and claim more seats in the Senate this January, reducing the likelihood that such bills will make any progress. But Americans across the country strongly opposed the DREAM Act and called their Senators urging them to oppose it. In the end, the DREAM Act was so unpopular, Democratic Leaders were unable to pass it even in the final days of the lame-duck session of Congress with thirteen Senators leaving. Most political observers consider it unlikely that the DREAM Act, or any other amnesty legislation, will surface during the 112^th Congress

[peejay 327]

That doesn't make them a criminal. Yes they may be here illegally, but on the books there is no crime. They face deportation, not a criminal court. More misinformation by Lucky.

Criminal or not...any act that precipitates arrest, detainment, and forcible removal from the USA is far from being the mere "traffic violation" that many paint it to be.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Just about to leave for Christmas, so I won't be posting for a while...

I absolutely agree that, in the case of the kids I know, that Mexico should do more for their citizens. But the reality is that they are here and it wasn't even their choice. And I'm not talking about taxpayers supporting anybody. I'm talking about kids who want to pay their way through college or join the military.

I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion. I'm just saying when you see somebody in a really bad situation in life and you know it wasn't their fault; it's just tough to be really really happy about some things.

Have a Merry Xmas and a great New Year.

Criminal or not...any act that precipitates arrest, detainment, and forcible removal from the USA is far from being the mere "traffic violation" that many paint it to be.

And the fact that for every second they are here in this country illegally they are criminals. Once they leave they are no longer criminal though.

Edited December 23, 2010 by luckytxn

[peejay 327]

And the fact that for every second they are here in this country illegally they are criminals. Once they leave they are no longer criminal though.

Illegal alien cheerleaders try to use word games to minimize and marginalize the act of illegal immigration. Any act that has the potential outcome of arrest, detainment, and forcible removal is a far cry from what many want to paint as a minor civil infraction. It may be a violation of civil rather than criminal law, but it ain't exactly a mere traffic violation like speeding. There are serious potential consequences for overstaying visas and border jumping. Not to mention committing criminal fraud to illegally work as most illegal aliens do. These are long standing laws that were originally enacted to protect the American public and maintain law and order.

It is the treasonous political and corporate classes that have perpetrated this sleaze for political and economic gain. Cheap votes and cheap labor have corrupted our politicians and business leaders to the point that they don't serve the best interests of the American people. The present 12-20 illegal aliens didn't just appear overnight nor have Hispanics become the fasted growing segment of the population out of nowhere. Seven past illegal alien amnesties to legalize violators mostly from Latin America, along with chain migration to grow what illegal immigration has seeded, and decades of refusing to enforce long standing immigration and workplace laws have had a huge impact on the landscape of America over the past 25 years.

I find it troubling that rampant illegal activity and corruption has been such a major contributor to what America has become today. Quite frankly...nothing to be proud of. It doesn't bode well for the future of America when this sort of thing sets the standard.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Have a Merry Xmas and a great New Year.

And the fact that for every second they are here in this country illegally they are criminals. Once they leave they are no longer criminal though.

Look you can say this til your blue in the face its not true. Even peejay explained why. Fair enough, illegal immigration isn't exactly a speeding violation. We were talking about children here. There parents brought them. You might be able to argue their parents ARE criminals because in its own unique way its almost like human trafficking, but not the children.

So at the end of the day, you know the truth and you continue to post lies.

You are an IGNORANT LIAR. Again this is not a personal attack as the proof is in this thread.

Illegal alien cheerleaders try to use word games to minimize and marginalize the act of illegal immigration. Any act that has the potential outcome of arrest, detainment, and forcible removal is a far cry from what many want to paint as a minor civil infraction. It may be a violation of civil rather than criminal law, but it ain't exactly a mere traffic violation like speeding. There are serious potential consequences for overstaying visas and border jumping. Not to mention committing criminal fraud to illegally work as most illegal aliens do. These are long standing laws that were originally enacted to protect the American public and maintain law and order.

It is the treasonous political and corporate classes that have perpetrated this sleaze for political and economic gain. Cheap votes and cheap labor have corrupted our politicians and business leaders to the point that they don't serve the best interests of the American people. The present 12-20 illegal aliens didn't just appear overnight nor have Hispanics become the fasted growing segment of the population out of nowhere. Seven past illegal alien amnesties to legalize violators mostly from Latin America, along with chain migration to grow what illegal immigration has seeded, and decades of refusing to enforce long standing immigration and workplace laws have had a huge impact on the landscape of America over the past 25 years.

I find it troubling that rampant illegal activity and corruption has been such a major contributor to what America has become today. Quite frankly...nothing to be proud of. It doesn't bode well for the future of America when this sort of thing sets the standard.

Hey peejay, I agree with you surprise surprise.

Edited December 23, 2010 by Sousuke

[luckytxn 2,265]

If being illegal is a crime then anyone here illegal is a criminal. Seems easy but of course it does to sane people and anyone with intelligence.

If the parents make them a criminal then they are even more of a criminal as they also have laws that mean they are breaking additional laws. They have juvie halls for the kids to stay in until they are deported. I am kind hearted though and think we should hand them to foster parents instead until they can be deported with their criminal parents. If they decide to do with them as any American kids do when doing illegal stuff and put them in juvie hall then I can side with that. They are no better than a kid that commits crimes that is American. Of course some unreasonable people think they are better than Americans and they are usually foreigners themselves.