The D.R.E.A.M. Act is dead.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

It's only a violation of TOS if you offend certain people.

No its just Kathyrn only has time to view reported posts, she can't look through an entire thread. What I said previously did violate the TOS, instead I should have simply reported the offending posts.

[B_J 2,752]

That's not accurate at all. The Dream Act enjoyed broad bipartisan support and its originators were both Democrats and Republicans. Recent polls have shown that the act also was overwhelmingly popular among voters (upwards of 70 percent).

I agree, when it was first introduced, it had bipartisan support. Why not move it forward when it had that support? But, it sat in committee for more than a year. And then it's brought up right now? Why wait until now?

[B_J 2,752]

That's a fact regardless of their citizenship status. Why try to lop everyone else into the same category as them?

Who's to say they're good kids? Also, who's going to pay for that 4 year mandatory degree?

I'm not sure what you mean but if you're saying that being from an urban school or being a minority means having no future; then I couldn't disagree more. I still believe that, in this country, if you work harder than everyone else around you, then you can be successful. No matter your race or where you're from.

And they are good kids based upon the character they've shown. I judge them based on the content of their character, not the color of their skin; and certainly I don't judge them because of the choices their parents made.

BTW, in the DREAM act, I believe they wouldn't be eligible for any federal grants; they would work to pay for their education or they would have to earn private scholarships; but I could be mistaken on that.

[SuperDuper! 230]

The Dream Act was an attempt at a backdoor Amnesty Act. Anyone who denies this is either uniformed or lying.

It's well known that the true age (under 30) and educational status (anyone could lie about being in school) of a "Dream Act" applicant could not be reference checked and verified by the US gummint, based on available man power of gummint workers for the sheer # of expected illegal immigrant applicants.

The Dream Act was a sham from the get go.

Backdoor Amnesty Act.

Word.

[Pooky 3,825]

Recent polls have shown that the act also was overwhelmingly popular among voters (upwards of 70 percent).

Your polling figures are in question, with Rasmussen putting it closer to 50%.

However, AZ SB 1070 has consistently around 70% public support, yet you call that "mob rule" to be disregarded and opposed. Funny that.

Edited December 20, 2010 by Pooky

[luckytxn 2,265]

Explain to me please how a child who's been brought to another country by their parents is a criminal?

While I'm all for saying they're a criminal if they stay (well) past their 18th birthday, I don't think you can claim someone who's been brought here illegally - through no fault of their own - is a criminal. Shouldn't they have the legal right to earn their way to citizenship?

I'm not saying we should just give it to them. I'm saying we should give them the opportunity to earn it through participating in America. And, I'll have you know, something like 30% of America's army is composed of these so-called "criminals." After three years of service (sometimes even less) they become citizens. Now are you really sitting here trying to tell me we're getting a raw deal on that one when we have their natural born classmates - who ARE criminals - automatically granted citizenship just by birth?

I say trade 'em 2 for 1! I'll gladly take hard-working illegals over the "american" bums we have sitting in our urban areas right now. You wanna deport some criminals? Deport them!

Their parents are criminals and they themselves are illegal. Since they are kids and they get caught they should be held until they can be deported. After the legal age they are themselves criminals if they do not go home and apply for legal status. They have pretty much gotten a free ride by getting a education that costs us taxpayers money. Money that could have gone to be spent on higher teacher wages and/or equipment. Since when they become of legal age they are criminals like their parents and no criminals should be allowed into the military. Why, so they can then be criminals but with weapons and the training to be effective killers. They are showing a total disregard for our laws but some want to reward them. Let them now go back and go a university in their own country or try to receive a student visa and then come back.

These criminals now want rewards because their criminal parents brought them here. Give them a chance at citizenship means that the illegal immigration has become moreso. Why even make laws if we are to reward them if they choose to break our laws.

[rsn 135]

We already have a thread here and should be merged.

can't do that myself, but I'll report it.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Their parents are criminals and they themselves are illegal. Since they are kids and they get caught they should be held until they can be deported. After the legal age they are themselves criminals if they do not go home and apply for legal status. They have pretty much gotten a free ride by getting a education that costs us taxpayers money. Money that could have gone to be spent on higher teacher wages and/or equipment. Since when they become of legal age they are criminals like their parents and no criminals should be allowed into the military. Why, so they can then be criminals but with weapons and the training to be effective killers. They are showing a total disregard for our laws but some want to reward them. Let them now go back and go a university in their own country or try to receive a student visa and then come back.

These criminals now want rewards because their criminal parents brought them here. Give them a chance at citizenship means that the illegal immigration has become moreso. Why even make laws if we are to reward them if they choose to break our laws.

They are not criminals after 18 no matter how badly you want them to be.

[luckytxn 2,265]

The Dream Act was an attempt at a backdoor Amnesty Act. Anyone who denies this is either uniformed or lying.

It's well known that the true age (under 30) and educational status (anyone could lie about being in school) of a "Dream Act" applicant could not be reference checked and verified by the US gummint, based on available man power of gummint workers for the sheer # of expected illegal immigrant applicants.

The Dream Act was a sham from the get go.

Backdoor Amnesty Act.

Word.

Exactly. It was one more try at giving amnesty. Giving them legal status meant that they could have then sponsored others. The Socialists would have loved them future votes.

[SuperDuper! 230]

can't do that myself, but I'll report it.

Really? Call Charles! He will be glad to do your job.

Cheers!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Really? Call Charles! He will be glad to do your job.

Cheers!

Charles has no power here.

[sachinky 465]

I don't have kids and if and when I ever do I certainly won't endanger their lives by dragging them on a perilous journey across the border and then having them pay the consequences of my idiotic actions, for rest of their lives, possibly.

And I'm from India, so spare me the 'poverty/better life' lecture. If it's all about the kids, then what about them poor kids from Ethiopia or Somalia? They're not special? They don't deserve a chance to live, study and better their lives in the US? No? Only Latin Americans just 'cause they happen to share a continguous border with the US? Effin' BS.

I don't even see the need for the DREAM Act, to be honest. Joining the military has always been avenue to US citizenship and if this is the only country and home that they've ever known, then they can surely sign up to protect it and earn their citizenship. The right way.

I would get on board with this Act if the requirement was that in order for a recipient to be eligible, he/she would have to turn in the people who sneaked them through the border over to ICE. Si, man.

Edited December 20, 2010 by sachinky

[rsn 135]

Really? Call Charles! He will be glad to do your job.

Cheers!

Organizers can only move threads, so this is not, in fact, my job.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I don't have kids and if and when I ever do I certainly won't endanger their lives by dragging them on a perilous journey across the border and then having them pay the consequences of my idiotic actions, for rest of their lives, possibly.

And I'm from India, so spare me the 'poverty/better life' lecture. If it's all about the kids, then what about them poor kids from Ethiopia or Somalia? They're not special? They don't deserve a chance to live, study and better their lives in the US? No? Only Latin Americans just 'cause they happen to share a continguous border with the US? Effin' BS.

I don't even see the need for the DREAM Act, to be honest. Joining the military has always been avenue to US citizenship and if this is the only country and home that they've ever known, then they can surely sign up to protect it and earn their citizenship. The right way.

I would get on board with this Act if the requirement was that in order for a recipient to be eligible, he/she would have to turn in the people who sneaked them through the border over to ICE. Si, man.

[sjr09 155]

Yes, what a sad state this country is in when a minority can obstruct a populist piece of legislation from even going to an up or down vote.

Look at the good side of it, after all your more likely to get a Ponchos Mexican restaurant in your town then a authentic Filipino restaurant.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/287096-i-get-to-eat-at-jolibee-now/page__view__findpost__p__4354979