When did Christianity stop being evil?

[2ndMessiah 184]

i was taught Qur'an for about 12 years.Christianity is 2011 years old,Islam 1400,500.you have to realize that these religions off the book are that old.the bottom line as far as worshiping goes,at least Islam advises its followers to leave other religions,as long as they are worshiping the one and only god alone.to do business with them,to take care of them,and talk to them,regardless of their religion.what these people,today's extremist Muslims are doing is nothing like they were told to do by their god,in their book.

Muslims are advised to not be physically or mentally harsh on even atheists,and this was sent by " god "( my personal beliefs about holy books and god are much different from your typical Muslim and way off board in this discussion,lets leave it at that )about 1500 years ago,for Arabs,one of the least developed and civilized people in this world back then.

This might be seen as nit picking, but your where taught the Qur'an. So you got your teachers "spin" or interpretation of that holy book.

And the way atheists are dismissed is personally a bit insulting as if we are some sort of lesser life form.

You can see how even something a little as that can make people annoyed.

Your right this is not the forum to be discussing all this lol.

You have your belief, I am god free but we are walking the same immigration path. So I will call you brother. Hows that?

[B_J 2,752]

Ah yes the covenant of the new testiment. So the god and laws of the old testiment dont apply. Hmmmmmmmmm

Matthew 5:18

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

I'm sorry, I'm not the brightest guy on the forum. I fail to see what you're trying to tell me. Unless you're simply trying to antagonize me. And if that's the case, I'm just turning the other cheek.

See, this thread is helping me be a better person.

[2ndMessiah 184]

I'm sorry, I'm not the brightest guy on the forum. I fail to see what you're trying to tell me. Unless you're simply trying to antagonize me. And if that's the case, I'm just turning the other cheek.

See, this thread is helping me be a better person.

It was just a comment on how the new testiment etc etc etc

No antagonization ment. Just the cut and thrust of debate using information at hand. As I said in my last post to "the last petitioner", this is not really the place for these sort of discussions. And Im glad to call you a brother in immigration.lol

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't think any religion are founded in or promote evil. For the most part the message of religion is do unto others as you would have done to you and an emphasis on charity towards those who are less well off than yourself. Nothing else worth saying, certainly there isn't one religion that is better than another and none of them are useful as explanations for our existence or that of the universe, no matter what interpretation one attempts to use as religious text in the role of history book.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The answer to the question is simple. Christianity has NEVER been evil. There was no Christianity until there was Christ. And when he got here, he changed the message to one of peace. You know, "turn the other cheek", all of that. So, there has never, ever been a time that Christianity was not a religion of peace.

The real question is, "When will we Christians start being more Christ-like?"

B.

Is the God of the OT, the one who created the earth and all on and of it, a different God than that of the NT with a different message? That would be the only way to dismiss the OT as irrelevant to Christians.

[luckytxn 2,264]

The answer to the question is simple. Christianity has NEVER been evil. There was no Christianity until there was Christ. And when he got here, he changed the message to one of peace. You know, "turn the other cheek", all of that. So, there has never, ever been a time that Christianity was not a religion of peace.

The real question is, "When will we Christians start being more Christ-like?"

B.

Most excellent answer, God bless us all.

[Danno 1,228]

I've asked this question before of those here who attack and demonize Islam, but it's never received even an attempt at an answer. Since Christianity has a history of all the evil things Islam is accused of condoning, including justification of slavery, child brides, conversion by the sword, murder of infidels, warfare in the name of Jesus, homophobia, male supremacy, etc., exactly when did Christianity stop being evil, or has it stopped being evil?

An honest discussion would be appreciated, especially since open mockery of Islam and Muslims by non-Muslims is allowed here, but Muslims questioning Christianity have been accused of provocative baiting, exposing a serious double standard censorship among the mods and posters.

Making NO CLAIM that Islam is evil.... I would answer you this way.

While Christianity has had it's problems, it has had this other side as well.

And that other side is, doing so much good, for so many people.

For instance right at this holiday, kids and families all over the country and many parts of the world will be enjoying meals, presents and the gift of "concern" by hundreds of thousands of Churches who Personally adopt those in the community with needs. But it doesn't stop at this holiday it goes on all year in different forms.

Right now go to your phonebook and look up non-governmental help orgainizations, no matter where you live, you will see CHristians at work helping others. IN fact if you call those few who are not faith based, you will find the lions share of their volunteers...... come from Church groups.

Most of our most prestigous Universities were Started buy Churches. Long Before Government was healing the sick... Churches built hospitals to help meet the need, in most places they were the first hospitals.

Most people have no idea how many orphanages are still run by Church denominations, there are a few within a 1 hour drive from me.

So much money streams out of Christian pockets and into troubles spots around the globe to feed, house, medicate and educate the poor that some areas... especially in Africa, would collapse without it. Soup-kitchens Orphanages, Clinics, rural educations programs.... you name it.

For example, right now THe Catholic Relief Efforts has a 200 million dollar/ 5 years plan budget.... to help rebuild haiti..... and thats just a dot on their map.

When people are hungry, hurting, in Jail, in the hospital, at the Morgue .... it's not the stranger who is an Atheists... standing by their side or reaches out, it is most often a person of faith and very often that is a Christian.

But when your house burns down, see if the Progressive Thinkers Group steps up to get your kids clothes for School the next day or finds a place for you to get in out of the cold.

I know people who "give" to a fault, sometimes without good sense.

Truth is, Christianity was never Evil, in fact it inspires so many to... selflessly serve others that when Christians are wrong or commit acts of Evil...... no one blames Christianity for perverting them.... they blame them for perverting what a Christian is.

I don't know anyone who thinks Islam is Evil (not counting internet people).

But I think a number of people in the west see Islam as something that may come with more baggage than they are willing to accept.... if that minority of Muslims which are causing so much concern, persist.

I don't think people really care what Islam (Or any other faith) teaches...... people care about how they act.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

When was the last time large numbers of Christians strapped bombs to their children and blew up coffee shops?

[B_J 2,752]

Is the God of the OT, the one who created the earth and all on and of it, a different God than that of the NT with a different message? That would be the only way to dismiss the OT as irrelevant to Christians.

Nope, same God. And I didn't say the OT was irrelevant.

Here's something to consider. People could find a verse in the Bible and make it look like it's an angry religion. I'm sure people could find a verse in the holy books of every religion and do the same thing. How about, instead of just trying to pick apart each other's beliefs, we just talk to each other and learn from each other.

You'll notice that, in my first post to this thread, all I did was answer your question. I told you that Christianity is not evil; but the problem is the actions of people in the religion. Could the same be said of other religions? The question now is: Where do you want this discussion to go from here? Are we going to be civil? Or are we just trying to find fault with each other and our beliefs?

B.

[B_J 2,752]

It was just a comment on how the new testiment etc etc etc

No antagonization ment. Just the cut and thrust of debate using information at hand. As I said in my last post to "the last petitioner", this is not really the place for these sort of discussions. And Im glad to call you a brother in immigration.lol

And I'm happy to be your brother on this journey as well.

[B_J 2,752]

Making NO CLAIM that Islam is evil.... I would answer you this way.

While Christianity has had it's problems, it has had this other side as well.

And that other side is, doing so much good, for so many people.

For instance right at this holiday, kids and families all over the country and many parts of the world will be enjoying meals, presents and the gift of "concern" by hundreds of thousands of Churches who Personally adopt those in the community with needs. But it doesn't stop at this holiday it goes on all year in different forms.

Right now go to your phonebook and look up non-governmental help orgainizations, no matter where you live, you will see CHristians at work helping others. IN fact if you call those few who are not faith based, you will find the lions share of their volunteers...... come from Church groups.

Most of our most prestigous Universities were Started buy Churches. Long Before Government was healing the sick... Churches built hospitals to help meet the need, in most places they were the first hospitals.

Most people have no idea how many orphanages are still run by Church denominations, there are a few within a 1 hour drive from me.

So much money streams out of Christian pockets and into troubles spots around the globe to feed, house, medicate and educate the poor that some areas... especially in Africa, would collapse without it. Soup-kitchens Orphanages, Clinics, rural educations programs.... you name it.

For example, right now THe Catholic Relief Efforts has a 200 million dollar/ 5 years plan budget.... to help rebuild haiti..... and thats just a dot on their map.

When people are hungry, hurting, in Jail, in the hospital, at the Morgue .... it's not the stranger who is an Atheists... standing by their side or reaches out, it is most often a person of faith and very often that is a Christian.

But when your house burns down, see if the Progressive Thinkers Group steps up to get your kids clothes for School the next day or finds a place for you to get in out of the cold.

I know people who "give" to a fault, sometimes without good sense.

Truth is, Christianity was never Evil, in fact it inspires so many to... selflessly serve others that when Christians are wrong or commit acts of Evil...... no one blames Christianity for perverting them.... they blame them for perverting what a Christian is.

I don't know anyone who thinks Islam is Evil (not counting internet people).

But I think a number of people in the west see Islam as something that may come with more baggage than they are willing to accept.... if that minority of Muslims which are causing so much concern, persist.

I don't think people really care what Islam (Or any other faith) teaches...... people care about how they act.

You know, the last line of your post really makes a solid point. I gave a sermon while I was visiting the Philippines, and I briefly touched on a similar point. Fair or not, people will tend to judge our religions based on our behavior. We can tell people what our religion teaches, but people will really judge us based on how we act. That is such an important observation you made.

[The_Dude 1,142]

When was the last time large numbers of Christians strapped bombs to their children and blew up coffee shops?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxUofTNPlfI&feature=related

[james&olya 1,121]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxUofTNPlfI&feature=related

Rob, you realize how inconvenient and uncomfortable your post might be to Paul and others who believe as he does! It was such a pretty and solid looking balloon of an idea until you jabbed it with your sharp little pin! Facts can be such irritating little things. It is so much better when there is some screening of the facts first so that any that might be inconvenient to the audience can be dispensed with. How else do you think Fox 'news' could be so popular?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

So I think the obvious point has been made here that most religions are not evil. Obviously in the history of the world you could say a few have been, such as MesoAmerican ones.

I'm guessing Soffiya is asking more along the lines, when did society consider Christianity good and Islam evil. I'd probably have to point to the breakdown of the strangle hold Catholic doctrine had on the religion. That period was actually quite similar to the Middle East and Persia of today. You have a group of power holders using the religion to retain power. Once the "Church" lost control of the state there was a clear difference (with the exception of N. Ireland).

So when will Society stop viewing Islam as evil? When governments like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Hamas, Iran no longer misuse the religion to control the people.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Rob, you realize how inconvenient and uncomfortable your post might be to Paul and others who believe as he does! It was such a pretty and solid looking balloon of an idea until you jabbed it with your sharp little pin! Facts can be such irritating little things. It is so much better when there is some screening of the facts first so that any that might be inconvenient to the audience can be dispensed with. How else do you think Fox 'news' could be so popular?

you are quite ignorant aren't you? You have no clue what I 'believe' but you can keep trying to guess. Until you actually figure it out, I would suggest not posting rubbish.