Evidence for ET, though far from proven, is mounting daily

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If we find other life (aliens) out there is that something that discredits our (imo man-made) global religions? The unfortunate thing is even if we found aliens on other planets it would only be by satellite imagery as some of these other galaxies are 1000s of light years away. Some 10000s light years away, some millions, some 100s of millions of years away. And believe it or not, some of these far away galaxies are over 13,000,000,000 YEARS away from us (average speed while traveling 186,000 miles/second)!!!

Evidence for ET, though far from proven, is mounting daily

WASHINGTON (AP) — Lately, a handful of new discoveries make it seem more likely that we are not alone — that there is life somewhere else in the universe.

In the past several days, scientists have reported there are three times as many stars as they previously thought. Another group of researchers discovered a microbe can live on arsenic, expanding our understanding of how life can thrive under the harshest environments. And earlier this year, astronomers for the first time said they'd found a potentially habitable planet.

"The evidence is just getting stronger and stronger," said Carl Pilcher, director of NASA's Astrobiology Institute, which studies the origins, evolution and possibilities of life in the universe. "I think anybody looking at this evidence is going to say, 'There's got to be life out there."'

A caveat: Since much of this research is new, scientists are still debating how solid the conclusions are. Some scientists this week have publicly criticized how NASA's arsenic-using microbe study was conducted, questioning its validity.

Another reason not to get too excited is that the search for life starts small - microscopically small - and then looks to evolution for more. The first signs of life elsewhere are more likely to be closer to slime mold than to ET. It can evolve from there.

Scientists have an equation that calculates the odds of civilized life on another planet. But much of it includes factors that are pure guesswork on less-than-astronomical factors, such as the likelihood of the evolution of intelligence and how long civilizations last. Stripped to its simplistic core - with the requirement for intelligence and civilization removed - the calculations hinge on two basic factors: How many places out there can support life? And how hard is it for life to take root?

What last week's findings did was both increase the number of potential homes for life and broaden the definition of what life is. That means the probability for alien life is higher than ever before, agree 10 scientists interviewed by The Associated Press.

Seth Shostak, senior astronomer at the SETI Institute in California, ticks off the astronomical findings about planet abundance and Earthbound discoveries about life's hardiness. "All of these have gone in the direction of encouraging life out there and they didn't have to."

Two new studies published online Wednesday in the journal Nature add to the interest in weird planets outside our solar system, though they don't exactly make a stronger case for life. One study found a super-hot planet much bigger than Jupiter that seems to be full of carbon in its atmosphere. In the other study, astronomers found a star with at least four large young planets, challenging past assumptions that there's a limit to how many huge planets a star system could have.

Scientists who looked for life were once dismissed as working on the fringes of science. Now, Shostak said, it's the other way around. He said that given the mounting evidence, to believe now that Earth is the only place harboring life is essentially like believing in miracles. "And astronomers tend not to believe in miracles."

Astronomers, however, do believe in proof. They don't have proof of life yet. There's no green alien or even a bacterium that scientists can point to and say it's alive and alien. Even that arsenic-munching microbe discovered in Mono Lake in California isn't truly alien. It was manipulated in the lab.

But, says NASA astrobiologist Chris McKay, who has worked on searches for life on Mars and extreme places on Earth, "There are real things we can point to and show that being optimistic about life elsewhere is not silly."

First, there's the basic question of where such life might exist. Until a few years ago, astronomers thought life was only likely to be found on or around planets circling stars like our sun. So that's where the search of life focused - on stars like ours.

That left out the universe's most common stars: red dwarfs, which are smaller than our sun and dimmer. Up to 90 percent of the stars in the universe are red dwarf stars. And astronomers assumed planets circling them would be devoid of life.

But three years ago, NASA got the top experts in the field together. They crunched numbers and realized that life could exist on planets orbiting red dwarfs. The planets would have to be closer to their star and wouldn't rotate as quickly as Earth. The scientists considered habitability and found conditions near these small stars wouldn't be similar to Earth but would still be acceptable for life.

That didn't just open up billions of new worlds, but many, many times that.

Last week, a Yale University astronomer said he estimates there are 300 sextillion stars - triple the previous number. Lisa Kaltenegger of Harvard University says scientists now believe that as many as half the stars in our galaxy have planets that are two to 10 times the size of Earth - "super Earths" which might sustain life.

Then the question is how many of those are in the so-called Goldilocks zone - not too hot, not too cold. The discovery of such a planet was announced in April, although some scientists are challenging that.

The other half of the equation is: How likely is life? Over the past decade and a half, scientists have found Earth life growing in acid, in Antarctica and other extreme environments. But nothing topped last week's news of a lake bacterium that scientists could train to thrive on arsenic instead of phosphorous. Six major elements have long been considered essential for life - carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur. This changed that definition of life.

By making life more likely in extreme places, it increases the number of planets that are potential homes for life, said Kaltenegger, who also works at the Max Planck Institute in Germany.

Donald Brownlee, an astronomer at the University of Washington, is less optimistic because he believes what's likely to be out there is not going to be easy to find - or that meaningful. If it's out there, he said, it's likely microbes that can't be seen easily from great distances. Also, the different geologic and atmospheric forces on planets may keep life from evolving into something complex or intelligent, he said.

If life is going to be found, Mars is the most likely candidate. And any life is probably underground where there is water, astronomers say. Other possibilities include Jupiter's moon Europa and Saturn's moons Enceladus and Titan.

There's also a chance that a telescope could spot a planet with an atmosphere that suggests photosynthesis is occurring, Kaltenegger said. And then there's the possibility of finding alien life on Earth, perhaps in a meteorite, or something with an entirely different set of DNA.

And finally, advanced aliens could find us or we could hear their radio transmissions, McKay said. That's what the SETI Institute is about, listening for intelligent life.

That's where Shostak puts his money behind his optimism. At his public lectures, Shostak bets a cup of coffee for everyone in the audience that scientists will find proof of alien life by about 2026. The odds, he figures, have never been more in his favor.

http://www.gazettenet.com/2010/12/11/evidence-et-though-far-proven-mounting-daily

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If we find other life (aliens) out there is that something that discredits our (imo man-made) global religions?

Vatican says aliens could exist

By David Willey

BBC News, Rome

Father Funes says the universe is so vast that other life forms may exist

The Pope's chief astronomer says that life on Mars cannot be ruled out.

Writing in the Vatican newspaper, the astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, said intelligent beings created by God could exist in outer space.

Father Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory near Rome, is a respected scientist who collaborates with universities around the world.

The search for forms of extraterrestrial life, he says, does not contradict belief in God.

The official Vatican newspaper headlines his article 'Aliens Are My Brother'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7399661.stm

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Vatican says aliens could exist

The search for forms of extraterrestrial life, he says, does not contradict belief in God.

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/7399661.stm

A lot has changed in the last 10 or so years but I recall when I was growing up in the 90s as a young "Christian" the talk of aliens or other lifeforms outside of planet earth was only something a non-religious person would believe in. I thought God only made us and there is no talk of it in any religious texts. And there was something magical about the year 2000 approaching. I thought that Jesus was gonna come back from the dead like a zombie in the night and the world would end. He would immediately take the Christians to Heaven and cast all non-believers into the most heinous evil pit of fire for eternity committing the all-time most historic act of pure evil ever. This is what the bible teaches/says if I am not mistaken...

Edited December 12, 2010 by Lord Infamous

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A lot has changed in the last 10 or so years but I recall when I was growing up in the 90s as a young "Christian" the talk of aliens or other lifeforms outside of planet earth was only something a non-religious person would believe in. I thought God only made us and there is no talk of it in any religious texts. And there was something magical about the year 2000 approaching. I thought that Jesus was gonna come back from the dead like a zombie in the night and the world would end. He would immediately take the Christians to Heaven and cast all non-believers into the most heinous evil pit of fire for eternity committing the all-time most historic act of pure evil ever. This is what the bible teaches/says if I am not mistaken...

There is nothing special about the year 2000. We always try to have some "doomsday" date coming. The current one is Dec 21, 2012. I am sure it will come and go without any problem. You seem to confuse the fringe nuts with the common christian.

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A lot has changed in the last 10 or so years but I recall when I was growing up in the 90s as a young "Christian" the talk of aliens or other lifeforms outside of planet earth was only something a non-religious person would believe in. I thought God only made us and there is no talk of it in any religious texts. And there was something magical about the year 2000 approaching. I thought that Jesus was gonna come back from the dead like a zombie in the night and the world would end. He would immediately take the Christians to Heaven and cast all non-believers into the most heinous evil pit of fire for eternity committing the all-time most historic act of pure evil ever. This is what the bible teaches/says if I am not mistaken...

That's a pretty weird view as I've never met any Christian that claimed there was no life other than on Earth. I mean mainstream Christians had no problema with any NASA mission or going to SF movies. On the contrary, most of the people I've met that want to slash NASA funding are left wingers (usually more secular) who want to spend the money on the poor here on Earth.

Wait, I do remember some evangelical type who said Star Wars was an attempt to introduce Hinduism into America. Didm't have much effect is stopping the hordes that went to those movies.

Edited December 12, 2010 by alienlovechild

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