Jimmy Carters Christmas message to the troops

[JohnSmith2007 353]

“I have serious doubts that we will prevail in Afghanistan… I don’t think we have the capability or will to actually prevail militarily over the Taliban. That seems to me to be an almost hopeless case.”

http://www.liberallyconservative.com/jimmy-carter-commander-in-stupidity/

[Pooky 3,844]

“I have serious doubts that we will prevail in Afghanistan… I don’t think we have the capability or will to actually prevail militarily over the Taliban. That seems to me to be an almost hopeless case.”

http://www.liberallyconservative.com/jimmy-carter-commander-in-stupidity/

The troops were incapable of winning in Iraq, too.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

“I have serious doubts that we will prevail in Afghanistan… I don’t think we have the capability or will to actually prevail militarily over the Taliban. That seems to me to be an almost hopeless case.”

http://www.liberallyconservative.com/jimmy-carter-commander-in-stupidity/

At least Carter's a realist. For some reason some Americans seem to think that a person has to be ignorant in order to be considered "a real American".

* On a side note, I think anyone that is for these wars should join up and go over to Iraq and/or Afghanistan and not come back until either those wars are "won", or they come back in a wooden box. "Walk the talk or shut it".

I served, how many on this thread also served ?

[Ban Hammer 13,641]

I served, how many on this thread also served ?

you rang?

[JohnSmith2007 353]

I served, how many on this thread also served ?

Yes I served as well.

You don't seem to care how this statement, regardless of its validity isn't what you want to say to our troops at the holidays. Carter is a pinhead for saying this at this time.

Edited December 11, 2010 by JohnSmith2007

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Yes I served as well.

You don't seem to care how this statement, regardless of its validity isn't what you want to say to our troops at the holidays. Carter is a pinhead (anyway)--especially for saying this at this time.

Corrected

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Corrected

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=286547&view=getnewpost

Yes, let's pick up the morale by blowing smoke up the troops #######.

Better yet let's tell them the truth. Iraq and Afghanistan are wars started to help control a oil and gas line to China. Ironic though that Russia beat us to the punch and got their lines to China up and running a few months ago. So much for winning the Cold War eh.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

What would that even mean, "winning?"

[luckytxn 2,265]

Nice to see Carter is still an idiot.

[alienlovechild 75]

Better yet let's tell them the truth. Iraq and Afghanistan are wars started to help control a oil and gas line to China. Ironic though that Russia beat us to the punch and got their lines to China up and running a few months ago. So much for winning the Cold War eh.

There's no pipeline and never was one so start telling the truth.

I was in the miltary and pipelines aren't easily defended but you may not have learned that lesson.

Carter's foreign policy ironically lead to the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviets so he's the last one anyone should listen to about that region.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

There's no pipeline and never was one so start telling the truth.

I was in the miltary and pipelines aren't easily defended but you may not have learned that lesson.

Carter's foreign policy ironically lead to the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviets so he's the last one anyone should listen to about that region.

I should have said proposed pipeline, and yes I know a bit about pipelines seeing how I have spent the better part of my life working in Prudhoe Bay, Valdez, and area's in between on the Alaska Pipeline.

It's called the Big Picture, and only someone naive would think the US is in Iraq and Afghanistan to save the so called poor souls of those country's from WMD's, dictatorships, and to spread democracy while were at it. It's all about $$$$$$$$$.

It actually started with US interest in Europe seeing how Europe is dependent on Russian oil and gas, yet UNOCAL saw an even bigger market with China. Control of oil and gas means control of country's energy sources. China, the Caspian Sea - Georgia - Europe or even gas and oil to India all mean big money.

Bush had a heyday with Americans seeing how they helped to write the book on "Naive and Patriotic". It's like aliens sucked out peoples brains so that they had zero memory of events such as Vietnam, Iran - Contra, Chile, etc...

Edited December 12, 2010 by Why_Me

[alienlovechild 75]

I should have said proposed pipeline, and yes I know a bit about pipelines seeing how I have spent the better part of my life working in Prudhoe Bay, Valdez, and area's in between on the Alaska Pipeline.

It's called the Big Picture, and only someone naive would think the US is in Iraq and Afghanistan to save the so called poor souls of those country's from WMD's, dictatorships, and to spread democracy while were at it. It's all about $$$$$$$$$.

It actually started with US interest in Europe seeing how Europe is dependent on Russian oil and gas, yet UNOCAL saw an even bigger market with China. Control of oil and gas means control of country's energy sources. China, the Caspian Sea - Georgia - Europe or even gas and oil to India all mean big money.

Proposed pipelines can't pump oil. The reality is the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan killed the hopes of a pipeline back in 2001. Even now the Karzai government can't control areas where TAPI is supposed to go.

If it's all about $$$$$$, we went to the wrong country as Afghanistan is one the poorest countries on the planet. Somehow the idea we're fighting a war to sell oil we don't own to China doesn't wash.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Proposed pipelines can't pump oil. The reality is the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan killed the hopes of a pipeline back in 2001. Even now the Karzai government can't control areas where TAPI is supposed to go.

If it's all about $$$$$$, we went to the wrong country as Afghanistan is one the poorest countries on the planet. Somehow the idea we're fighting a war to sell oil we don't own to China doesn't wash.

Afhanastan being a "poor country" doesn't have jack ####### to do with anything. Most all the country's we invade are "poor country's". If we were going to invade a "rich country" we might as well start somewhere in Western Europe.

Here, I'm going to help you. The key word here is: Transit Pipeline.

When Belarus shut down the pipeline from Russia to Europe, Europe shook in it's boots. When Russia turned the taps off to Ukraine, Europe shook again. Oil and gas is what makes this world turn. It's plays by far the biggest factor in US foreign policy. Everything else plays a distant 2nd.

http://www.balkanalysis.com/energy-sector/2010/09/21/the-hidden-benefits-of-southeast-european-pipeline-projects/ <--- One of many links that give you an idea in regards to "transit pipelines" and being a "transit country".

And yes you are correct...the US nor anyone can safely protect a pipeline running through Afghanistan...too bad the US government and the oil company's haven't figured this out seeing how it's cost tens of thousands of lives so far and they still don't get it.

[alienlovechild 75]

When Belarus shut down the pipeline from Russia to Europe, Europe shook in it's boots. When Russia turned the taps off to Ukraine, Europe shook again. Oil and gas is what makes this world turn. It's plays by far the biggest factor in US foreign policy. Everything else plays a distant 2nd.

http://www.balkanalysis.com/energy-sector/2010/09/21/the-hidden-benefits-of-southeast-european-pipeline-projects/ <--- One of many links that give you an idea in regards to "transit pipelines" and being a "transit country".

If oil is our biggest concern, why didn't the U.S. make a deal with the Taliban when it controlled 95% of Afghanistan? We've made deals with other undemocratic nations from the Saudi monarchy, Chavez's Venezuela, Angola's communists. . . Always cheaper and easier to bribe people with money than go to war and money makes for strange bedfellows. The reality is if you cut supplies, the supplier loses money and the oil market is an open one so countries just buy it elsewhere. The only time you need secure oil supplies is when WWIII breaks out the enemy is trying to cut off supplies.

So we spent trillions defending Western Europe, South Korea, Japan and fought a war in Vietnam over oil? Sorry, not one of those major regions is an oil exporter. You can make good case for the Gulf War or Iraq War not much else.

How does Afghanistan being a transit nation make the U.S. more money than the war? Again, we don't own the oil and it isn't shipped to our biggest suppliers of oil. Bush was supposed to be a buddy of big oil, so why is Obama more aggressive than Bush in Afghanistan for the last years?

[Ban Hammer 13,641]

Afhanastan being a "poor country" doesn't have jack ####### to do with anything. Most all the country's we invade are "poor country's". If we were going to invade a "rich country" we might as well start somewhere in Western Europe.

here is one potential reason why afghanistan is so important now

US finds vast Afghan mineral riches

Afghanistan has nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits, according to a US study.