Judge orders woman adopted as baby deported to Mexico

[Marilyn. 340]

the article states she already served time in prison for the crime...

She served three months of a one-year-and-a-day sentence in prison and federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents took her into custody when she got out.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

People who are experiencing high levels of stress rarely act rationally, that's the point that you seem to keep missing, over and over, and over and over again.

should you really believe that, then where is your defense of these guys?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/286441-us-soldiers-murder-innocent-civilians-in-cold-blood/

Intent is not some high brow abstract intellectual nonsense, it is key to evaluating the dangers posed to society by criminals and the reality of their recidivism. The likelihood of being able to rehabilitate someone who has commuted a criminal act should be one of the main determining factors in the sentencing decisions and the prison system should be geared toward putting responsible citizens back out on the streets once their sentence is finished, not pathetic, institutionalized ne'er do wells who stand no chance of operating in society without re-engaging in criminal activity. Under those conditions there are obviously some people who would never gain freedom again, as well as high volumes of people who would be punished then rehabilitated.

intent does no good to the people who were scared for their lives during the commission of the crime, and as i pointed out earlier, one in poor health can die from the event. i'm sure the intent means a lot to that individual's relatives. the fact remains that the individual you speak of knew he was doing wrong - yet did it anyways.

Of course, if you believe that justice is about lauding it over those who make poor choices once they get caught (generally for blue collar crimes of course) then cheering on pointlessly punitive sentencing and promoting the idea that jails are recepticles for worthless trash who deserve no better then these types of decisions seem logical I suppose.

your words, not mine.

[Peikko 1,575]

should you really believe that, then where is your defense of these guys?

http://www.visajourn...-in-cold-blood/

intent does no good to the people who were scared for their lives during the commission of the crime, and as i pointed out earlier, one in poor health can die from the event. i'm sure the intent means a lot to that individual's relatives. the fact remains that the individual you speak of knew he was doing wrong - yet did it anyways.

your words, not mine.

Go play with someone else Charles, you are beyond silly.

[SuperDuper! 230]

*PINCHING SELF*

Just saw some consensus on an issue.

Let's see some more, so I can slap myself silly.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Go play with someone else Charles, you are beyond silly.

i'll take that to mean you're backed into a corner and can't defend your position anymore.

[sachinky 465]

What complete trollop. At some stage of this womans life she would have been asked to prove her citizenship.

That was my first thought too. She's never had to fill out a I-9 for a job? How about providing proof of legal status when getting a SSN? Or a driver's license? Or a passport? Or something. I find it rather hard to believe that a 38-year-old woman has no idea what her citizenship is or hasn't been asked to prove it at some point or the other in her life.

[Boiler 45,575]

It would be reasonable to suppose:

The story is being put forward to support the bias of the reporter/publisher. It is very unusual to get straight facts in the US.

That she must have know that she was Mexican and here illegally.

She committed a crime, it was no doubt plea bargained to a year and a day, she served 3 months.

The crime involved theft and drugs, most likely a CIMT.

There still would have been waiver opportunities, so something else must be happening.

and many questions that remain unanswered. There may be facts stated in the report that are wrong, who knows.

[peejay 327]

It would be reasonable to suppose:

The story is being put forward to support the bias of the reporter/publisher. It is very unusual to get straight facts in the US.

That she must have know that she was Mexican and here illegally.

She committed a crime, it was no doubt plea bargained to a year and a day, she served 3 months.

The crime involved theft and drugs, most likely a CIMT.

There still would have been waiver opportunities, so something else must be happening.

and many questions that remain unanswered. There may be facts stated in the report that are wrong, who knows.

Likely this story is just another *SOB* story to get the tears flowing to prime the pump on the recently and repeatedly failed attempts at the DREAM Act mass illegal alien amnesty. Another story about foreign kids highjacked to the bad ol' USA who don't want to return to the motherland.

[Dan and Judy 614]

Drug trafficers don't steal their supply from purses.

obviously this lady aint too bright.

but once she plead guilty to drug trafficing, She is a Drug trafficer That's straight from Judge Judy.

I'd say more but I have to go save a life.

[Fandango 1,439]

That immigration judge is being an #######-retentive b!tch.

It's called following the law. The '####### retentive b!tch' is actually doing her job, Steven...it's not her job to make or change law, but to follow the law, dur.

Btw, I think everyone makes good points here...I think this woman did indeed fall into a loophole concerning her immigration...I don't think an infant, legally adopted by Americans, should be held accountable for not naturalizing. But there's got to be a reason they didn't....perhaps the adoption wasn't fully above board? I dunno.

Edited December 12, 2010 by Lisa C

[Peikko 1,575]

It's called following the law. The '####### retentive b!tch' is actually doing her job, Steven...it's not her job to make or change law, but to follow the law, dur.

Btw, I think everyone makes good points here...I think this woman did indeed fall into a loophole concerning her immigration...I don't think an infant, legally adopted by Americans, should be held accountable for not naturalizing. But there's got to be a reason they didn't....perhaps the adoption wasn't fully above board? I dunno.

From the point of view of analyzing the justice of her current situation does it matter if her adoption wasn't 'fully above board'? If you have an once of humanity you could not reach the conclusion that anything she or her adoptive parents did merit her ending up cast out from her family and friends to take up a new life thousands of miles away in a country she does not know, does not speak the native language of and without means to support herself simply to satisfy the need to be following the letter of the law. It's senseless and cruel.

[Fandango 1,439]

From the point of view of analyzing the justice of her current situation does it matter if her adoption wasn't 'fully above board'? If you have an once of humanity you could not reach the conclusion that anything she or her adoptive parents did merit her ending up cast out from her family and friends to take up a new life thousands of miles away in a country she does not know, does not speak the native language of and without means to support herself simply to satisfy the need to be following the letter of the law. It's senseless and cruel.

Don't use my post to justify repeating yourself...I was raising another point, not partaking in that aspect of the discussion. Your point has been noted repeatedly.

Now back to my point:

I find it baffling to think of a legitimate reason as to why her family wouldn't naturalize her.

[Boiler 45,575]

I can think of a few:

She was not adopted legally.

She entered without inspection.

Can not remember if there was mention of adoptive parents legal status.

She has a longer rap sheet that prevents her naturalizing

Just for starters