Judge orders woman adopted as baby deported to Mexico

[ready4ONE 5,400]

If only we just read headlines. The thread title should read "Judge orders woman drug trafficker adopted as baby deported to Mexico."

Of course she wasn't a drug trafficker, not that it matters. I think this is more properly an extreme example of laziness and procrastination of epic proportions than anything else. What were her adoptive parents thinking for 17 years and 7 months? And what was she thinking from 18 years to the present?

[Peikko 1,575]

What strikes me as odd other than what is reported in this is.......where are her adoptive parents why didn't they naturalize her why are they not made accountable for the difficulties she is having with all of this she has mental problems that alone makes her particularly unaccountable for what she has done..her parents must have known that she has a mental problem she didn't just wake up one day and there it was with out some kind of clues her parents should have explored...but her adoptive family not getting her citizenship is really a serious issue. there is seriously something wrong with patents that bring kids here from another country thru adoption and do not naturalize them

just my opinion

sara

It's not really odd. When people are negotiating their way through the trials and tribulations of life, they rarely stand back and assess the impact of each individual decision they make and the consequences it might have in the undetermined future. Sure, looking at from our priveleged position of hindsight, it seems obvious what should have happened but really. without a lot more information about the background of this family, speculation as to how accountable each of the members of the family is for this situation and how they could or should have acted differently is pointless.

If we all examined our own lives, I am betting we have all made extremely bad decisions at various points in our lives that could have led to dire consequences if a different set of circumstances had arisen than what actually did. I'm not a fan of what if's in these types of cases. Bottom line, someone who has mental health issues,is poor, does not speak the language of the country they are to be deported to and has no family network to assist in setting up a new life and no way of supporting themselves should not be subject to deportation for this 'crime', it's borderline cruelty in my opinion.

[sara..... 371]

It's not really odd. When people are negotiating their way through the trials and tribulations of life, they rarely stand back and assess the impact of each individual decision they make and the consequences it might have in the undetermined future. Sure, looking at from our priveleged position of hindsight, it seems obvious what should have happened but really. without a lot more information about the background of this family, speculation as to how accountable each of the members of the family is for this situation and how they could or should have acted differently is pointless.

If we all examined our own lives, I am betting we have all made extremely bad decisions at various points in our lives that could have led to dire consequences if a different set of circumstances had arisen than what actually did. I'm not a fan of what if's in these types of cases. Bottom line, someone who has mental health issues,is poor, does not speak the language of the country they are to be deported to and has no family network to assist in setting up a new life and no way of supporting themselves should not be subject to deportation for this 'crime', it's borderline cruelty in my opinion.

I agree with that completely and is one of the reasons that i feel that there should be some sort of impact on the adoptive family..families that adopt know before hand what they need to do legally for their children and should never go into an adoption with out the funds to follow it thru...i was adopted my family was told before i was adopted that they needed to naturalize me before my 18th birthday or i COULD at some point in my life be deported for some minor offense even a traffic violation....sorry but families not following thru with what is required for the adoptive children is one of my soap box issues.

The ruling in this case was totally wrong this type of justice is like punishing a child for their parents criminal activity.

sara

[Peikko 1,575]

Fair enough - I am not sure why such a thing isn't mandatory - I guess in some instances the adoptive child might wish to 'return' to their roots which could not happen in all cases if they are a US citizen? It's probably something like that - but it's a bit daft.

[mawilson 2,133]

You are trying to insinuate that the Mexican government has a dubious agenda of supporting the illegal export of its citizens to the US. That's really very absurd.

It's not absurd at all - it's their (unwritten) official policy!

The immigration scam is very successful, too - they export their unemployment to the US and

get back billions in remittance cash annually — $21.6 billion in 2009 alone!

[Peikko 1,575]

It's not absurd at all - it's their (unwritten) official policy!

The immigration scam is very successful, too - they export their unemployment to the US and

get back billions in remittance cash annually — $21.6 billion in 2009 alone!

I'm sure it looks that way from where you, and others sit. That is what happens when you look at things backwards. You see the result and make up a cause that suits an agenda you have in mind.

[Pooky 3,794]

What article are you reading? She has not been accused of a serious drug change, let alone trafficking. She RISKS ending up as a pawn in the drug trade IF she is deported because she is bi-polar, can't speak spanish and has no social network to support her in Mexico .

This one ...

Cohen was arrested in 2008 on theft and drug-trafficking charges. She pleaded guilty to stealing a purse containing two bottles of prescription pills and to the trafficking charge

Not only was she charged with trafficking, she pleaded guilty.

What article were you reading?

[mawilson 2,133]

I'm sure it looks that way from where you, and others sit. That is what happens when you look at things backwards. You see the result and make up a cause that suits an agenda you have in mind.

Absolutely not - there's too much circumstantial evidence to just dismiss it as absurd.

Cases such as this one where the Mexican government steps in to help a Mexican national

stay in the US, a Mexican government agency issuing maps marking main roads and water

tanks for people wanting to cross illegally into the US, Vicente Fox saying the Arizona

law to stem illegal immigration is "xenophobic", Mexico's Congress urging President

Felipe Calderon to consider breaking commercial ties with Arizona, Mexico City Mayor

Marcelo Ebrard saying his government would challenge the law in US courts, etc. etc.

Everything points towards the Mexican government trying to preserve the status quo.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

there is seriously something wrong with patents that bring kids here from another country thru adoption and do not naturalize them

just my opinion

sara

I agree. There are countless children in orphanages here in the US that are desperate to become part of a family.

America may not be #1 anymore, but for a US citizen America should still come 1^st.

Just my opinion.

[Peikko 1,575]

This one ...

Not only was she charged with trafficking, she pleaded guilty.

What article were you reading?

Conveniently leaving off the end of the sentence are we? The part that explains that the trafficking charge was filed despite the fact that she sold no pills and making it abundantly clear that she has no involvement with organized drug crime?

Typically lower socio-economic groups plead charges in order to lessen sentencing. There is zero evidence that this is some dangerous drug dealer, a huge threat to society which was your justification for her deportation.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

No one was injured. No, it's not strange but it's not necessarily serving the best interests of society in all cases.

one could make the same pitch for someone using a real gun and no shots were fired. no one was injured, hey, why the steep sentence?

[Peikko 1,575]

Absolutely not - there's too much circumstantial evidence to just dismiss it as absurd.

Cases such as this one where the Mexican government steps in to help a Mexican national

stay in the US, a Mexican government agency issuing maps marking main roads and water

tanks for people wanting to cross illegally into the US, Vicente Fox saying the Arizona

law to stem illegal immigration is "xenophobic", Mexico's Congress urging President

Felipe Calderon to consider breaking commercial ties with Arizona, Mexico City Mayor

Marcelo Ebrard saying his government would challenge the law in US courts, etc. etc.

Everything points towards the Mexican government trying to preserve the status quo.

Yeah, this is great evidence that the Mexican government would do anything in its power to ensure its impoverished citizens who live illegally in the US remain in the US. I'm totally convinced by that argument.

one could make the same pitch for someone using a real gun and no shots were fired. no one was injured, hey, why the steep sentence?

No, one could not. In one case the gunman has every intention of using the gun if circumstanced demand it, in the other the gunman not only has no intention of harming anyone, they physically can't.

[Dakine 26]

What strikes me as odd other than what is reported in this is.......where are her adoptive parents why didn't they naturalize her why are they not made accountable for the difficulties she is having with all of this she has mental problems that alone makes her particularly unaccountable for what she has done..her parents must have known that she has a mental problem she didn't just wake up one day and there it was with out some kind of clues her parents should have explored...but her adoptive family not getting her citizenship is really a serious issue. there is seriously something wrong with patents that bring kids here from another country thru adoption and do not naturalize them

just my opinion

sara

I don't think there's anyway the parents could have "naturalized" her. Depending on the circumstances! She should have been a USC automatically.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Yes, I do know that Mexico has some serious social problems to deal with, but this is certainly not an example of Mexico trying to shovel off its responsibilities elsewhere as part of some secret 'export our citizens next door because we don't want them' agenda.

sheltered world, table of one......

LOS ANGELES — Mexican immigrants hoping to cross the Mexico-U.S. border can use an illustrated guide to help them break U.S. immigration laws (search) and live in the United States illegally.

The 32-page booklet, free with popular comic books and advertised at bus stations and government offices south of the border, comes courtesy of the Mexican government.

link

[mawilson 2,133]

Yeah, this is great evidence that the Mexican government would do anything in its power to ensure its impoverished citizens who live illegally in the US remain in the US. I'm totally convinced by that argument.

The government is giving them free maps. Maps. With highlighted routes and pointy arrows that say "go here".

What else do you need, an official memo? Open your eyes.