My child with fiance enough proof of relationship?

[VanessaTony 3,567]

On the CRBA note... one does NOT need a DNA test for that... I had to get one for our little girl, and they never asked for it.

Sorry I should have specified. It's not ALWAYS required but if you're married they tend to assume the child is the husbands. When you're engaged (like the OP) they tend to ask for DNA. But then i honestly think it depends on each situation/country.

[coraliesolms 47]

Sorry I should have specified. It's not ALWAYS required but if you're married they tend to assume the child is the husbands. When you're engaged (like the OP) they tend to ask for DNA. But then i honestly think it depends on each situation/country.

Ah, yes, I forgot that we were talking about a K-visa. I stand corrected.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

I heard rumor outside the Lagos consulate of someone having bedsheets as "proof" of the relationship

[Steve and Margie 2]

I don't believe the fact that you and your fiance have a child together proves your relationship. It definately proofs that you met, but is there a relationship? They want to see PROOF of your relationship. Cards and letters, emails, IM's, Pictures of you interacting with her family are good, Engagement ring reciept, pic's of an engagement party etc. Show them the proof. Good luck guys!!

First off, I just found this site and am THRILLED to see the resources available. I just sent in the 129F and am glad to see I am not alone.

My fiance and I have an 18 month old son. I included his birth certificate in the packet as proof that we have met in person (duh...). Will that be enough or will we be asked for further proof of a relationship (ie photos, plane tickets, etc)?

[pushbrk 12,898]

I don't believe the fact that you and your fiance have a child together proves your relationship. It definately proofs that you met, but is there a relationship? They want to see PROOF of your relationship. Cards and letters, emails, IM's, Pictures of you interacting with her family are good, Engagement ring reciept, pic's of an engagement party etc. Show them the proof. Good luck guys!!

The US Citizen's name on the birth certificate is NOT primary evidence of and certainly NOT "proof" the couple met in person. Have you read the discussion?

It's interesting the OP hasn't been back with further information or comment.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Like I told you then, I tried looking and couldn't find ANY RFE's for K1 petitions (though not everyone labels their threads correctly). I found a few at the visa stage, but the vast majority of RFE threads are AOS related.

But as I also told you then, i'm more than happy to be wrong on this point for everyone's sake.

Look at the pinned RFE Master List thread in this forum. There are a bunch of people who got RFE's for K1 petitions there. The common problems seem to be proof of meeting and proof of US citizenship.

There are also some other ones scattered around, but you almost have to read all the threads to find them. This guy, for example, got two RFE's - the second for his birth certificate. He mentioned it in someone else's thread, but I don't recall him ever opening his own thread about it.

Also, look at the K1 visas timelines advanced listing:

http://www.visajourney.com/timeline/k1list.php?cfl=0&op1=&op2=&op3=1&op4=1&op5=&op6=All&op7=All&dfile=No

Look at the column labeled "I-129F RFE(s)Received". There's quite a few people who've gotten RFE's for their petitions.

[Lisa and Kano 2]

the OP is chasing a toddler around 24/7 and can't check the forum all the time .. thanks for the info yall.

I'm not too worried since I included a copy of my passport, which shows that I've entered Chile more than 10 times over the past two years. I've been going for a few months, coming back for a week, going back, etc... I explained this in my lil statement thing.

I got incorrect info from a visa office at the US Embassy in Santiago, Chile. He told me that, for a K-1 visa, I needed to prove that I have known my fiance for MORE THAN two years. I submitted the I- 129f with that assumption. Whoops.

I was at the embassy accompanying my fiance for a tourist visa to visit the States this summer- he was denied. Which is weird, because he was granted a tourist visa to come to the States for the birth of our son, and he returned to Chile before the visa expired. The visa officer who denied him suggested we get a fiance visa, which, he said, is a "quick and easy process". don't know what he was smokin.

[baron555 934]

the OP is chasing a toddler around 24/7 and can't check the forum all the time .. thanks for the info yall.

I'm not too worried since I included a copy of my passport, which shows that I've entered Chile more than 10 times over the past two years. I've been going for a few months, coming back for a week, going back, etc... I explained this in my lil statement thing.

I got incorrect info from a visa office at the US Embassy in Santiago, Chile. He told me that, for a K-1 visa, I needed to prove that I have known my fiance for MORE THAN two years. I submitted the I- 129f with that assumption. Whoops.

I was at the embassy accompanying my fiance for a tourist visa to visit the States this summer- he was denied. Which is weird, because he was granted a tourist visa to come to the States for the birth of our son, and he returned to Chile before the visa expired. The visa officer who denied him suggested we get a fiance visa, which, he said, is a "quick and easy process". don't know what he was smokin.

OK, to the OP, do you understand now how the birth of a child of you two, 18 months ago, DOES NOT prove you met within the last two years? Do the math, 18 month old child, 9 month normal human gestation period, means the egg was fertilized 18 + 9 = 27 months ago (outside teh 24 months max must meet range).

The passport stamps within the last two years MAY be OK but if you didn't include some letter describing the meetings or your relationship or other photos of you three together, no story was told.

So I would expect to receive an RFE and have this additional evidence (I'd include copies of everything you already sent it) with an explanation letter ready so you can minimize the downtime on your petition.

Following the VJ Guides is your best bet moving forward. Good Luck.

Edited December 8, 2010 by baron555

[pushbrk 12,898]

OK, to the OP, do you understand now how the birth of a child of you two, 18 months ago, DOES NOT prove you met within the last two years? Do the math, 18 month old child, 9 month normal human gestation period, means the egg was fertilized 18 + 9 = 27 months ago (outside teh 24 months max must meet range).

The passport stamps within the last two years MAY be OK but if you didn't include some letter describing the meetings or your relationship or other photos of you three together, no story was told.

So I would expect to receive an RFE and have this additional evidence (I'd include copies of everything you already sent it) with an explanation letter ready so you can minimize the downtime on your petition.

Following the VJ Guides is your best bet moving forward. Good Luck.

People have strange ideas sometimes. First, the dates mentioned in your paragraph 1 above are not the issue. The name on the birth certificate is simply not evidence of who the father is. If it's not evidence of who the father is, it's not evidence of meeting in person.

Since the OP DID send primary evidence of meeting, in the form of their passport stamps, the issue is solved. The only "story" required at this point is the answer to question 18 on the I-129F.

To the OP. When it comes time for the interview, be sure that your fiance is prepared to answer questions about you, your family, your job and about your relationship including dates and duration of all visits, his and yours. He should also have evidence of his trip and all yours, in the form of passport stamps, and/or visas. You've got the requirements for getting the petition approved but the birth certificate simply wasn't one of those requirements and would not have stood on its own as evidence of meeting in person.

Don't expect to need a DNA test. The child is yours and born in the USA. You'll have plenty of OTHER evidence of a bona fide ongoing relationship, so enjoy motherhood and look forward to the family being united in a few months.

Edited December 8, 2010 by pushbrk

[Linnea and Pato 0]

The birth certificate alone is not enough simply because you should always include a more than enough evidence if you are able. Since you are a genuine couple, you really have nothing to worry about. People really stress out more about this process than they need to. I did as well. It's understandable of course, we are dealing with the idea that we may be separated from the people we love most for years. However, there is way too much fear surrounding the process. It really is actually quite simple. Just make sure you do all of the paper work correctly and include sufficient evidence, then wait. You are a genuine couple and should have nothing to worry about, especially since you have a child together. Just make sure you include plenty of photos of the two of you together and your child, some papers showing that you are in Chile(bank statements, e-tickets, flight paperwork, etc..), and fill out the paperwork correctly. You can look at my previous posts. One has a whole exact list of what I sent and I had no problems whatsoever. Chilean cases don't really attract a lot of attention in terms of suspicion or in-depth investigations...it's not like you're petitioning a woman from Asia or Eastern Europe etc. In the case of the birth certificate, yeah it is a huge piece of proof, probably the most important and it may well work alone but you should absolutely include more pictures and other documents because I'm sure you easily can throw together some pictures and print out milage statements from LAN showing that you went to Chile and other similar documents. It's well worth taking the little extra time to do so if there are any doubts. As for the whole assuming artificial insemination thing...that's just stupid. Just make sure you've dotted all your "i's" and crossed all your "t's", send the check and all your paperwork and then wait. The hardest part is really just waiting...after finally figuring all the correct paperwork to send. Also, you should check and see if Chileans still qualify for USCIS Benefits to get expedited because of the earthquake last April. We took advantage of that benefit and our process only took only about 2.5 months.

Edited December 15, 2010 by Linnea and Pato