Marriage contract

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I don't believe that jews and christians of today will go to heaven if they die in that state.

You're calling God a liar, VP, so you don't believe what He says? Or you only believe SOME of what He says? "Back then", He didn't know then what Christians and Jews will be like today when He said there will be some who will go to heaven on the Last Day, which was so far away in time? If so, what to say He knew what Muslims of today will be like? Perhaps you have no chance of getitng in coz today, you don't met the standards of "back then" either.

That is such a LAME argument. You call Allah a liar and stupid besides with that kind of reasoning.

It is my understanding that Allah did give permission for men to marry more than one, up to four wives and it is not the place of any person, not even you, to forbid what Allah has allowed or to allow what Allah has forbidden. I will not say that's my opinion but rather it's how I understand it.

Your understanding doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You are allowed your OPINION, but it has no relation to fact, and not even you can change that.

Do you realize that you never agree with anything that doesn't make Muslims and Islam look like arrogant fools who contradict God?

Edited August 31, 2006 by szsz

[iceyspots 0]

I don't believe that jews and christians of today will go to heaven if they die in that state.

You're calling God a liar, VP, so you don't believe what He says? Or you only believe SOME of what He says? "Back then", He didn't know then what Christians and Jews will be like today when He said there will be some who will go to heaven on the Last Day, which was so far away in time? If so, what to say He knew what Muslims of today will be like? Perhaps you have no chance of getitng in coz today, you don't met the standards of "back then" either.

That is such a LAME argument. You call Allah a liar and stupid besides with that kind of reasoning.

It is my understanding that Allah did give permission for men to marry more than one, up to four wives and it is not the place of any person, not even you, to forbid what Allah has allowed or to allow what Allah has forbidden. I will not say that's my opinion but rather it's how I understand it.

Your understanding doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You are allowed your OPINION, but it has no relation to fact, and not even you can change that.

Do you realize that you never agree with anything that doesn't make Muslims and Islam look like arrogant fools who contradict God?

Hot diggity!

[babybunny 2]

borderline illiterate

for whom are you referring to?

smile and nod

I have reported that.. you dont need to insult anyone like that

what gives you the right to sit- there and call someone illiterate?

what gives you the right Sarah? I dont think anyone on this board is illiterate.

who do you think you are?

[sarah and hicham 3]

I never called anyone illiterate. No name mentioned, sorry.

[iceyspots 0]

I don't believe that jews and christians of today will go to heaven if they die in that state.

You're calling God a liar, VP, so you don't believe what He says? Or you only believe SOME of what He says? "Back then", He didn't know then what Christians and Jews will be like today when He said there will be some who will go to heaven on the Last Day, which was so far away in time? If so, what to say He knew what Muslims of today will be like? Perhaps you have no chance of getitng in coz today, you don't met the standards of "back then" either.

That is such a LAME argument. You call Allah a liar and stupid besides with that kind of reasoning.

It is my understanding that Allah did give permission for men to marry more than one, up to four wives and it is not the place of any person, not even you, to forbid what Allah has allowed or to allow what Allah has forbidden. I will not say that's my opinion but rather it's how I understand it.

Your understanding doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You are allowed your OPINION, but it has no relation to fact, and not even you can change that.

Do you realize that you never agree with anything that doesn't make Muslims and Islam look like arrogant fools who contradict God?

[babybunny 2]

oh my god... this is really grapic!!

why would you put a picture of a man getting killed?

I am sorry for anyone- that has to view this right there.

you ladies never stop - no holds barred for you..

sorry VP, SZS. all the other ladies on this board that has to see this..

Edited August 31, 2006 by babybunny

[sarah and hicham 3]

Awww shon you're so sweet!

Except for when you are accusing people of marriage fraud or being drugs users.

[iceyspots 0]

oh my god... this is really grapic!!

why would you put a picture of a man getting killed?

I am sorry for anyone- that has to view this right there.

you ladies never stop - no holds barred for you..

sorry VP, SZS. all the other ladies on this board that has to see this..

why would you say sorry to VP? didn't you just slam her in a previous post?

The devil would have you belive its ok to allow your man- to have another woman. The devil would have you to belive that girls 12 years old to marry is ok. The devil would have you belive that if you dont belive you shall go to hell.

I belive in the lord almighty- he is merciful and says the DEVIL is a LIER!

Awww shon you're so sweet!

Except for when you are accusing people of marriage fraud or being drugs users.

Or stepping all over people's feelings over "piddly" things when they are depressed.

[Veiled Princess 1]

I don't believe that jews and christians of today will go to heaven if they die in that state.

You're calling God a liar, VP, so you don't believe what He says? Or you only believe SOME of what He says? "Back then", He didn't know then what Christians and Jews will be like today when He said there will be some who will go to heaven on the Last Day, which was so far away in time? If so, what to say He knew what Muslims of today will be like? Perhaps you have no chance of getitng in coz today, you don't met the standards of "back then" either.

That is such a LAME argument. You call Allah a liar and stupid besides with that kind of reasoning.

It is my understanding that Allah did give permission for men to marry more than one, up to four wives and it is not the place of any person, not even you, to forbid what Allah has allowed or to allow what Allah has forbidden. I will not say that's my opinion but rather it's how I understand it.

Your understanding doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You are allowed your OPINION, but it has no relation to fact, and not even you can change that.

Do you realize that you never agree with anything that doesn't make Muslims and Islam look like arrogant fools who contradict God?

Those christians and jews who died back then will go to heaven on JD... not ones who die after Muhammad and reject him as a prophet. I don't call Allah a liar.

Just because YOU say it doesn't make it a fact

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I don't believe that jews and christians of today will go to heaven if they die in that state.

It is my understanding that Allah did give permission for men to marry more than one, up to four wives and it is not the place of any person, not even you, to forbid what Allah has allowed or to allow what Allah has forbidden. I will not say that's my opinion but rather it's how I understand it.

PS - What struck me as so twisted about these two comments so close together is that they say alot about a person's vision of God and Islam. This God has no knowledge of, and no mercy or compassion for Christians and Jews that He wil change His mind about allowing some into heaven to suit this individual's view of what non-Muslims deserve. On the other hand, He has so much mercy and compassion for men's sexual needs that He allows men to collect women out of desire, and there are no conditions on them.

Compounding this selective acceptance of Quranic verse is the arrogant statement that "it is not the place of any person, not even you, to forbid what Allah has allowed or to allow what Allah has forbidden". This comes after saying that what God says about judging some Christians and Jews as worthy of heaven is worthy of doubt.

Well, here is His Word:

2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

5:69 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God is witness of all things.

He said it. Who are you to doubt it? He also said that it is impossible for a man to be fair among women, so why the insistance that there is an unencumbered right to four wives? Where does that fall in your evaluation of the permission?

[babybunny 2]

You have chosen to ignore all posts from: sarah and hicham.

what a wonderful tool....

[Ivanovo 0]

Are you saying that because I( for example), am a Christian, I will not go to heaven when I die?

[Veiled Princess 1]

Your understanding doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You are allowed your OPINION, but it has no relation to fact, and not even you can change that.

Do you realize that you never agree with anything that doesn't make Muslims and Islam look like arrogant fools who contradict God?

And this is why I am always on the defensive when posting here

People who openly proclaim and take pride in changing Allah's laws speaking a lot of words yet saying NOTHING.

[babybunny 2]

You have chosen to ignore all posts from: iceyspots.

certainly a wonderful invention..

Are you saying that because I( for example), am a Christian, I will not go to heaven when I die?

proble a Type - o

I belive my grandmother - a god fearing christian! is in heaven.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Those christians and jews who died back then will go to heaven on JD... not ones who die after Muhammad and reject him as a prophet. I don't call Allah a liar.

You are calling God a liar. If not, show me the ayah that proves what you claim.