Driver Charged With DWF: Driving While Female (Saudi Arabia)

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

yup.. I'm not a magic kingdom fan myself. Show me something in the Qu'ran that says women are not permitted to drive cars, operate transportation, ride horses or camels, then we'll talk.

Saudi doesn't speak for the entire muslim world.

This may be of some interest to you:

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=45880&ln=eng

My amateur understanding of that is that a woman driving per se sn't bad , but is rather a 'gateway' to other bad things and is therefore not allowed.

Kinda like the argument that pot isn't bad because pot is harmful, but because it's a gateway drug.

Again this is one of those twisted websites. First of all the Niqab is not obligatory. it is not a sin not to wear one, but you don't have to. (the niqab is the face cover). Second of all, there are absolutly no evidence that show in Islam that a woman cannot drive.

Here are some of the Women's rights in Islam

The right to an education

The right to choose her own Husband

The right to an education

The Right to full financial support (the father and bothers if unmarried and the husband if married)

The right to own property

The right to work

The right to a housemaid if desired

The right participate in politics

Of course in Saudia Arabia most of these are probably not followed.

isn't that the same website that vp uses?

Edited August 25, 2006 by charlesandnessa

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http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=45880&ln=eng

Again this is one of those twisted websites.

isn't that the same website that vp uses?

To be fair, she has never claimed to use that site.

I have just found that the opinions on that site seem to closely mirror the opinions of VP on this site.

[rclouse 0]

Not on a Uni cycle.. no harm can be done if your transportation is a uni-cycle.. you can only bring joy and laughs.

Finally a market for Segways!

[vartan 0]

Finally a market for Segways!

Agreed I could also see no harm from someone using a Segway.. other then causing a person to have a heart attack from laughing too hard.

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I'm a practing Muslim. I only checked that link to that site. I didn't go into depth into. This is my knowledge through my own research. I didn't use that website for this info.

I just read some more of that website and no that is definetly not where I got my info. That site is making women out to be the devil and that most certainly is not Islam.

The problem is that there is a lot of corrupted info like that on the web.

[Veiled Princess 1]

FYI, there is no law that prohibits women to drive in Saudi...

The Daily Star out of Lebanon has this on their website:

Saudi Arabia shelves plan to let women drive

Saudi Arabia's appointed consultative council has shelved a proposal by one of its members to lift the ban on women's driving in the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom, newspapers reported Monday.

If no law exists to prohibit them from driving, how can a proposal to allow them to drive be shelved?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/EED...361560C785D.htm

"There is nothing in the written laws of the country that prohibits women from applying for a driver's licence," Madani said, responding to a question on women's voting rights from British Baroness Emma Nicholson, a member of the House of Lords....

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"The most surprising thing in this session was that there is no law against women driving in Saudi Arabia," al-Shubukshi said.

"I advise all women to apply today."....

It's a ban in certain areas but not a law that they can't hold a drivers license. Women drive in some areas of Saudi. It's up to the women to press the government there to lift the bans throughout the region.

Personally, if the roads in the cities of Saudi are anything like the roads in Cairo, Egypt I wouldn't want to drive!

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=45880&ln=eng

Again this is one of those twisted websites.

isn't that the same website that vp uses?

To be fair, she has never claimed to use that site.

I have just found that the opinions on that site seem to closely mirror the opinions of VP on this site.

I have said time and time again that site is NOT salafi and NOT trustworthy.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Oh boy!

Tell me about the 'Islam made the statut of women better, they are respected' and all the jazz...

heehee, how could anyone argue that Islam does anything for women? The best they can do is try to argue it makes the genders more "equal" by being separate. Now I will go run and hide.

Islam has been hijacked by Wahabbists, unfortunately. From my (admitedly) rudimentary research into it, Islam gave women rights and a position far above what they had in pre-Islamic Arabia and most of the rest of the world, for that matter. Since then, Islamists have been using the very tools Islam gave to protect women to instead oppress them. For example, the hijab. Originally it was meant to protect women from unwanted attention; it was a way of saying "I am a human being who deserves respect, I am not an object". But in places like the KSA, Pakistan, etc. women who don't wear the hijab are beaten by the religious police.

Islam has a bunch of house cleaning to do.

Excellent points.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Again this is one of those twisted websites. First of all the Niqab is not obligatory. it is not a sin not to wear one, but you don't have to. (the niqab is the face cover). Second of all, there are absolutly no evidence that show in Islam that a woman cannot drive.

Here are some of the Women's rights in Islam

The right to an education

The right to choose her own Husband

The right to an education

The Right to full financial support (the father and bothers if unmarried and the husband if married)

The right to own property

The right to work

The right to a housemaid if desired

The right participate in politics

Of course in Saudia Arabia most of these are probably not followed.

I don't think it's fair to say most are not followed. Just some and even some is wrong.

Is driving a car a right or a priviledge? Even in the US it's a priviledge that can be revoked or refused.

Should Saudi women who want to drive petition the government to give them the same priviledge as men? Sure but to call it a violation of a person's right is just absurd.

It's also interesting to hear what Saudis think of it...

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/628...4365CEF048C.htm

"We are happy. We want to show that image (but) the general image of the Arab woman in the American media is that she is not happy," a female student at Jeddah's private Dar al-Hekma University said during an encounter with US Undersecretary for Public Diplomacy Karen Hughes, drawing thunderous applause from colleagues.

"Your media is not really as fair as it used to be," came another voice from among the crowd of women clad in the black abaya who gathered in an amphitheatre on Tuesday to "exchange" views with the American visitor.

OMG WHAT??? Women students in the magic kingdom????? Someone get the stones please!!!! Oh, that's right... they have their own schools!

"I don't want to drive, because I have my own driver," one of them defiantly told American journalists....

"We can change, we are going to change, but not by force from outside," Leen Assassa, a 19-year-old student of interior design who holds dual Syrian and British nationality, later told AFP. She was covered from head to toe like her Saudi peers."

Students said they would be able

to work though not able to drive

America is trying to force its own opinion on us; the change will come from us," Assassa added.

Chamane Rahim, a French-educated social sciences professor, explained that the students don't cover their heads in class "as we're all women."

True, Saudi women still can't drive "but it will come soon, Insha-Allah (God willing)", she said.

Hughes confided she had been "surprised" by what she heard but also "impressed by their (the girls') outspokenness and intelligence".

"They clearly feel much a part of the debate in the society even though they don't have the right to vote nor to drive," she said.