In Pakistan, Christianity Earns a Death Sentence

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Don't worry so much about the threads you deem "anti Islamic", and spend more time praying for the victims of religious wing nuts.

In other words...why are you posting on this thread other than to try stray from the topic...

Why are you posting these threads? Who does it help besides your myopic, bigoted ilk? What have you done to change the circumstances of this woman you shamelessly exploit to further your twisted biases? Clearly, you do nothing but post and b!tch, and it offends you deeply when someone points that out.

[TnJ 131]

It thought this thread was going to be some real discussion over Christian death sentences in Pakistan. Instead, it appears to be bickering over what should and shouldn't be allowed on a thread(free speech), who and who isn't a bigot, and what is and what is not ignorance. I don't generalize muslims simply because the media tells me to. However, some will, and if muslims do not want the stigma of being terrorists, it is up to them to educate the public of their genuine practices. Until then, the media's side of the story will dominate. As to the OP, the fact that Pakistan has a law that would put Christians to death has nothing to do with the media. It is in place because someone was motivated to put it in place. This thread never came off to me as someone bashing muslims in general. Actually, I thought it would possibly be informative to those who are not aware of the constant persecution of Christians in muslim nations. I am all for acceptance of others and their freedom of speech. If I don't approve of your religion, so be it. Who cares? If one wants to be a muslim, so be it too. I won't come after them, and please don't attack me for believing that God did begat a son whom I also believe to be mankind's Savior. That is my perogative. Unfortunately, some people don't share this freedom. I love America for the simple fact that I and a muslim can be friends, can exchange ideas, disagree, shake hands, and not worry about an angry mob affiliated with whatever coming after either one of us to persecute us. With that said, Pakistan's blasphemy law is simply bogus.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It thought this thread was going to be some real discussion over Christian death sentences in Pakistan. Instead, it appears to be bickering over what should and shouldn't be allowed on a thread(free speech), who and who isn't a bigot, and what is and what is not ignorance. I don't generalize muslims simply because the media tells me to. However, some will, and if muslims do not want the stigma of being terrorists, it is up to them to educate the public of their genuine practices. Until then, the media's side of the story will dominate. As to the OP, the fact that Pakistan has a law that would put Christians to death has nothing to do with the media. It is in place because someone was motivated to put it in place. This thread never came off to me as someone bashing muslims in general. Actually, I thought it would possibly be informative to those who are not aware of the constant persecution of Christians in muslim nations. I am all for acceptance of others and their freedom of speech. If I don't approve of your religion, so be it. Who cares? If one wants to be a muslim, so be it too. I won't come after them, and please don't attack me for believing that God did begat a son whom I also believe to be mankind's Savior. That is my perogative. Unfortunately, some people don't share this freedom. I love America for the simple fact that I and a muslim can be friends, can exchange ideas, disagree, shake hands, and not worry about an angry mob affiliated with whatever coming after either one of us to persecute us. With that said, Pakistan's blasphemy law is simply bogus.

Hello, jonny come lately. I doubt you've read the entire thread or you would see that the objections are primarily about the motivations of the OP, who constantly posts threads that support his firmly formed anti-Islam views. Start with the title of this thread, which is overblown and purposely hyperbolic. Those of us who have been paying attention understand that his motivations are not altruistic, nor are they to promote discussion. He is interested in providing a forum to bash Muslims, period. He does the same on other poster's thread, too.

This is an immigration forum where the stated objective is to provide a safe and welcoming site for discussion. That it allows certain posters to repeatedly forment division under the guise of consistent posting of negative views of one particular group of people is a legitimate concern.

BTW, I have lived and worked in several Muslim countries and know for a fact that Christians are not persecuted anywhere near the extent that the western media would have you believe. In fact, for 23 years, I was a human rights advocate in the Middle East and saw first hand what actually happens. To this day, I work with other professionals to educate the willing and change the laws, so it's really irritating gimme when someone only posts one-sided articles with the intent to incite and inflame disdain of one group so they can post as if they are superior to and condescending toward another. If they don't put their time and money where their mouth is, they deserve to be challenged every time.

Edited December 10, 2010 by Sofiyya

[TnJ 131]

Hello, jonny come lately. I doubt you've read the entire thread or you would see that the objections are primarily about the motivations of the OP, who constantly posts threads that support his firmly formed anti-Islam views. Start with the title of this thread, which is overblown and purposely hyperbolic. Those of us who have been paying attention understand that his motivations are not altruistic, nor are they to promote discussion. He is interested in providing a forum to bash Muslims, period. He does the same on other poster's thread, too.

This is an immigration forum where the stated objective is to provide a safe and welcoming site for discussion. That it allows certain posters to repeatedly forment division under the guise of consistent posting of negative views of one particular group of people is a legitimate concern.

BTW, I have lived and worked in several Muslim countries and know for a fact that Christians are not persecuted anywhere near the extent that the western media would have you believe. In fact, for 23 years, I was a human rights advocate in the Middle East and saw first hand what actually happens. To this day, I work with other professionals to educate the willing and change the laws, so it's really irritating gimme when someone only posts one-sided articles with the intent to incite and inflame disdain of one group so they can post as if they are superior to and condescending toward another. If they don't put their time and money where their mouth is, they deserve to be challenged every time.

Hey, Johnny is home and says you might be more affective without the attitude. I don't doubt your feelings and knowledge of the OP in the matter. However, I see this one article pointing out a system that I know to be in place by Pakistan and not Islam in general. I don't get my news of Christian persecution from western media either. I don't doubt that you have seen alot if you say so, but you don't see it all. In many places, the church is pushed "underground", and the stories from the people who are the church are there as well. I won't argue this notion, and no, I did not read every single post as I could see early on that I wasn't interested in what problems people have with other people. God bless.

[Jenn! 918]

There are no laws against utilizing your freedom of speech to say the same thing over and over again, but don't expect people not to notice. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Always remember this is the Off Topic, sub-topic Politics and Religion forum so it is not the place to find help and helpful information on the family visa process.

Here you can read about how Pakistan isn't even a Muslim country but of course you don't have to believe that nonsense and call BS when you choose to.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

It thought this thread was going to be some real discussion over Christian death sentences in Pakistan. Instead, it appears to be bickering over what should and shouldn't be allowed on a thread(free speech), who and who isn't a bigot, and what is and what is not ignorance. I don't generalize muslims simply because the media tells me to. However, some will, and if muslims do not want the stigma of being terrorists, it is up to them to educate the public of their genuine practices. Until then, the media's side of the story will dominate. As to the OP, the fact that Pakistan has a law that would put Christians to death has nothing to do with the media. It is in place because someone was motivated to put it in place. This thread never came off to me as someone bashing muslims in general. Actually, I thought it would possibly be informative to those who are not aware of the constant persecution of Christians in muslim nations. I am all for acceptance of others and their freedom of speech. If I don't approve of your religion, so be it. Who cares? If one wants to be a muslim, so be it too. I won't come after them, and please don't attack me for believing that God did begat a son whom I also believe to be mankind's Savior. That is my perogative. Unfortunately, some people don't share this freedom. I love America for the simple fact that I and a muslim can be friends, can exchange ideas, disagree, shake hands, and not worry about an angry mob affiliated with whatever coming after either one of us to persecute us. With that said, Pakistan's blasphemy law is simply bogus.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Hey, Johnny is home and says you might be more affective without the attitude. I don't doubt your feelings and knowledge of the OP in the matter. However, I see this one article pointing out a system that I know to be in place by Pakistan and not Islam in general. I don't get my news of Christian persecution from western media either. I don't doubt that you have seen alot if you say so, but you don't see it all. In many places, the church is pushed "underground", and the stories from the people who are the church are there as well. I won't argue this notion, and no, I did not read every single post as I could see early on that I wasn't interested in what problems people have with other people. God bless.

Your entire first post was attitude, dude. You didn't even bother to read enough to learn why people were critical. You got critical with no info to do so. Be more careful next time.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Jocularity jocularity!

[TnJ 131]

Your entire first post was attitude, dude. You didn't even bother to read enough to learn why people were critical. You got critical with no info to do so. Be more careful next time.

On the contrary, my first post was an interpretation of what I read with some beliefs of mine thrown into the mix. There wasn't any attitude directed at anyone in particular. Sorry if you read it out of context. It is sometimes difficult to convey emotions on a forum with exceptions of course. Derogatory statements being thrown around being one of those exceptions. Please, don't take personal offense because the thread was boring me before I got to any good parts.