Converstation btwn Muslim student and Professor

[Henia 11]

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the

problem science has with God, the Almighty. He asks one of his new

Muslim students to stand and.....

Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?

Student : Yes, sir.

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student : Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to

heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But

God didn't.

How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is

God good?

Student :Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student : From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Prof:! Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.

Correct?

Student : Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student :Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and

observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen

God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student : No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?

Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,

science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student : No sir. There isn't

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,

superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we

don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero

which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is

no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the

absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is

not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as

darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of

something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,

flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have

nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness

isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness, darker,

wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue

there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.

You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something

we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses

electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully

understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to

be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive

thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they

evolved (Student is from a monkey?)

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process,

yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize

where the argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution

at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going

endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a

scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the

Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's

brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have

done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical,

stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,

sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures,

sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face

unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH.

That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

[Uzume 0]

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the

problem science has with God, the Almighty. He asks one of his new

Muslim students to stand and.....

Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?

Student : Yes, sir.

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student : Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to

heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But

God didn't.

How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is

God good?

Student :Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student : From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Prof:! Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.

Correct?

Student : Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student :Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and

observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen

God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student : No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?

Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,

science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student : No sir. There isn't

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,

superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we

don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero

which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is

no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the

absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is

not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as

darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of

something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,

flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have

nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness

isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness, darker,

wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue

there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.

You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something

we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses

electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully

understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to

be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive

thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they

evolved (Student is from a monkey?)

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process,

yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize

where the argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution

at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going

endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a

scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the

Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's

brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have

done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical,

stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,

sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures,

sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face

unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH.

That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

So, as they are BOTH correct, what is everyone fighting about??

[cbd2cai 0]

Both correct??? or BOTH flawed??? I'd say "flawed" . . . but those are my thoughts on this whole discussion.

And I think the class shouldn't have been laughing but listening and thinking about what was being said . . . we all have to decide for ourselves.

Edited April 30, 2007 by cbd2cai

[rclouse 0]

I saw this anti-evolution tripe before, except it was a Christian student that time.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

The correct answer to this is "yes".

[AInfante-Saraireh 0]

I think the whole concept of this is, FAITH. This is what I get from this. I thought it was pretty good, actually. A reminder that if one has FAITH, one has all.

[balmytigeress 0]

I think the students liked the insinuation that the teacher has no brain. I think it is fun to read, whether you believe what the student says or not (although if you don't, it is a little long to read just for that).

[cbd2cai 0]

I think the students liked the insinuation that the teacher has no brain.

Ah, yes, just what we need . . . more "students" who have no respect for their teachers! If they know so much, then why are they in class??

[Uzume 0]

I just hate the arrogance and smugness of these kinds of things as if it "proves" anything at all!

Firstly, if a Professor was having this discussion I very much doubt he would be so awe struck at a student debating the issue but would relish the chance to openly debate it, it's not Professors who do not want to debate the issue but the fanatical religious zealots!

Secondly, it only proves that religion is an individual choice. Having faith in God does not prove God exists, however, one can "see" how evolution has altered and still alters life in order to adapt to environments by all the proof just laying around in the earth and in museums.

Finally, most atheists I have met are quite happy for religious people to believe in whatever they choose to. Their choices are not "anti" anyone at all. The same cannot, however, be said for some of the religious people atheists come into contact with, who appear to feel they have the right to demand full explanations about the whys and wherefores of atheist thinking with NO real answers to their own beliefs except "blind faith".

Edited May 1, 2007 by Uzume

[Caladan 19]

Gee, that looks like a very old evangelical joke with "Muslim" tacked on the front of it, as rclouse notes. It certainly seems to be debating Christian theodicies (a little weird for a Muslim story, but I guess whoever comes up with these stories hasn't actually been too a philosophy class.)

I know another one, and it's even got an evil philosophy professor.

So an atheist (boo!) philosophy (hiss!) professor finishes up his lecture on evolution (why? because EVERYTHING is about evolution in the Liberal Academy®, even the dining hall!) and says to the class: does anyone here believe that the laws of nature are violable?

-Yes, says one student.

-You're Christian Muslim, aren't you? sneers the Instructor.

-Yes.

-So you mean to tell me that the laws of nature will not hold, if I drop this piece of chalk? It will not break upon the floor?

-Yes, if God wills it, in'shAllah, replies the student.

The professor haughtily holds out his arms and drops the chalk, and it does not fall! It gets caught on his sleeve, rolls down his arm, along his body and leg, and rolls harmlessly across his shoe onto the floor.

Instantly, the class is converted reverted! And the student begins to witness.

[peezey 0]

Finally, most atheists I have met are quite happy for religious people to believe in whatever they choose to. Their choices are not "anti" anyone at all. The same cannot, however, be said for some of the religious people atheists come into contact with, who appear to feel they have the right to demand full explanations about the whys and wherefores of atheist thinking with NO real answers to their own beliefs except "blind faith".

As an atheist, I have never mocked or intentionally wanted to limit anyone's beliefs, but I have been mocked, witnessed to, my soul has been given a funeral, been told I'm going to hell, and more.