NVC Gives us SECOND RFE!!

[LotofPatience 65]

Whats funny is people don't understand. The RFE wasn't for incorrectly filled out forms. (what the lawyer would do) Most of you have no clue about Electronic Processing which is a pilot program we are taking part in. For what ever reason my wifes Birth Cert. wasn't accepted in its Digital Format. Many of you are ignorant to the EP process so before you comment on it educate yourself first. You'd than understand why I am so upset about the RFE. It's basically bogus. The Digital copy they got was extremely clear and legible. IT also contained all information necessary on it. It's just upsetting because I'm finding out many people who are from Canada are getting the same RFE's. It's a stall tactic.

Also for those saying not to get upset with the Customer Service, I didn't up just over all upset. I understand how a call center works, its just frustrating when there is no communication between the adjudicators and the front lines who answer the phones. Either way, we are taking care of it, one of the pluses with EP, is when you get an RFE you can immediately take care of it instead of using snail mail.

p.s.

LOL at the dude in here who said if I had a lawyer I wouldn't of gotten the RFE. As many have said the CR1 visa is very straight forward, anyone even with a basic education and reading comprehension would be able to put this together. I'm also proud to say we got all the way to this point at NVC with no RFE's. While your spending thousands on a lawyer, I'll be sitting back counting my extra cash deciding what to do with it.

MattyDil,

As you said, this NVC EP is relatively new program and mostly in pilot mode. It is not yet streamlined, so it is highly likely to get all the hiccups for any minor issues.

Hope things will be rectified soon for you

Loto

[Matt n Shannon 3]

Thanks Loto. Good Luck on your interview!

[LotofPatience 65]

Thanks Loto. Good Luck on your interview!

Thanks MattyDil

You will be all set when you clear that hiccup

I would have been happy to assist you, but NVC EP is new to me and not done much research on it. Sorry!

Loto

[Angel Eyes Yuseef 5]

RFE's happen and it is better then a flat out denile. Is there any way that we can take info from what the RFE's are asking for and pinn a thread like that to help ppl in the future. Or has that already been done and I have not come across it yet.

Fair point - however - its only a guide - you have to remember that. its not a derectorate.

VJ has no direct affilliation with USCIS or the US Govt as far as I am aware - and Ive been a member for some years. I believe the old url was www.k1faq.com

If you want or need specific information - then i suggest the uscis websites are the places to go. Here, people on the whole only offer advice and GUIDANCE. Support too.

Of course as with any message board theres always the local oddball that thinks they know it all, but you have to take the rough with the smooth.

If you get an RFE, you get an RFE. You have to - if you want to further your immigration process - deal with it. theres no point really moaning about getting one and trying to find a solution to stop it. Its simple, there isnt one, you can only do the best you can.

[flustered 14]

ALL you people who say Attornies do it wrong...

Take a hike. You got proof of all of them that have

attornies all got RFE's, or you just make stupid coment

becasue you dont really know.

I bet you there are more RFE done by people doing it

them self than Attornies. But for you all that did do

it right great.

But all you that think ALL attornies are bad LET'S HOPE

you aren't DENIED and never need one becasue you have

problems. And I'm sure you will have to wait much

longer also if you made a mistake. It must be why I

see so many people come on here asking for help because

they didnt do it right the first time, having no experience.

Than if your doing it yourself, you got nobody to BLAME

BUT YOURSELF.

Than face it ...experience does make a difference

But to each his own, if you do it and dont get a RFE

I slatue YOU !

But I rather take my chances with a attorney, than not.

Anybody can try doing all the forms them self.

But if you do make a mistake than you have to be UPSET

only at yourself and your own ability to have done it

incorrectly.

I'm sure some attornies do make mistake but i would bet all my

money on a attorney than without. People doing it themself have

a MUCH HIGHER RATE of RFE...Than people who have attornies !

So let just hope you dont need and attorney and dont get a RFE.

I bet my money on and attorney that has done 2 or 3 hundred

cases than somebody who doing it their first time alone ! ! ! ! !

Maybe you luck out doing it right but there the chance you

dont also. Dont tell me experience attornies and them doing hundreds dont

mean nothing. I really dont care what you think. Let's just say

you better PRAY YOU DONT GET A RFE.

I rather take my chances on somebody who knows what they are

doing than somebody trying to do it themself and not sure or

doing it wrong. Help is available here.

Doing it right and you will have a better chance on not getting

a RFE.

Yeah is makes me laugh also when i see many here making their own

problems for not doing it right also.

Maybe they did make a mistake on their case, NOBODY PERFECT EXCEPT GOD

SO if you dont fine if you do what you going to do

JUST COMPLAIN....Join all the others with problems.

There are 10 of thousand claims being processed.

Yeah you have a right to see mistakes

But what you dont have a right if they find your MISTAKE also.

What if you were working right alone and you were them working

on a claim and you found a mistake processing your claim. Dont you

think they are pissed off also becasue you didnt or failed to do it right.

Now they have to take the time out to notify of your mistake

You thinks its fun for them, when they have to process hundreds

a week or thousands ? ? ? Everybody complains about them

They dont have a right to place the blame on you if you are

not correct also ? ? ?

Think about it or place the blame always on them right ?

They are human just like you and have rights to make mistakes also.

But what if you make the mitake are you complaing to them or looking

at yourself for YOUR OWN MISTAKE ?

Something for you to like, complain about to me or to take the blame

yourself. Your fooling nobody but yourself.

NOT ME ! NOT THEM. Make your coment but let hope i dont see any of

you in the future asking for help becasue i see you did it wrong

Than let's see who laughing too !

SO laugh all you want at yourself not me.

I will save the names of you all, and let see if you ask when or

if you ask for help or get a RFE or anything with your claim in

the future also. Thans let see ! ! ! !

I get to laugh at you all FAIR GAME BACK TO YOU No problem.

Laugh all you want you think i care until i see you have a problem.

And see who ask if they know and attorney to help them, or dont ask for one

But i bet you wife over seas wont be so happy at you either...

Will she be laughing at you ? ? Think about it for your mistake ! ! ! ! !

Having to wait longer also.

Good luck for those who dont have any in the future and for you that do

OH WELL !

Wow if I didn't know better I would think this person is an attorney...Geesh take a pill

[Angel Eyes Yuseef 5]

Ok that i realize there is some target countries they need to pay attenion to. So here is a question; how is the best way to prove a bona fide marriage if your there for a short limited time and there is not a offical weeding for wedding invites and things like that. I know many that get maried on there last days in the country.

Angel Eyes Yuseef,

Neither attorney nor the guide will prevent the RFE. In other terms, people who have followed the guide have got RFE. Also, people who have used the attorney also have got RFE.

Why? Every case is unique. There is a background check process as part of the I-130 petition and some times "innocent people" also will be stuck. Also, USCIS has their own rules to check the bona-fide relationship if the cases are from "certain countries". Everybody, including me, has to overcome this additional check to get the I-130 approval and subsequently to get the visa from the Consulate.

To me, just 2 secondary evidences (marital relationship) may be sufficient to overcome at one point of time. When I apply for next time, these 2 evidences may be insufficient and need to produce more.

So, I advise everybody to have as many evidences as needed to overcome the issues and to prove the "bona-fide marital relationship".

Footenote: If you don't have those bona-fide relationship, even the guide or attorney will also be helpless!

Loto

[LotofPatience 65]

RFE's happen and it is better then a flat out denile. Is there any way that we can take info from what the RFE's are asking for and pinn a thread like that to help ppl in the future. Or has that already been done and I have not come across it yet.

RFE can happen to anybody, even the well prepared folks.

Read the below link from the experienced people: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/153307-the-stupid-rfe-thread/

To prove bona-fide relationship, just 1 or 2 secondary evidences (other than all the required docs) may be sufficient for the petitioner whose beneficiary is from some countries. But, extensive evidences will be required for the people from other countries. Hence it is a relative term!

Better to be safe than sorry!

Loto

[RichiJenny 14]

Wow if I didn't know better I would think this person is an attorney...Geesh take a pill

With the greatest of respect - would you take legal advice from said member?

[LotofPatience 65]

Ok that i realize there is some target countries they need to pay attenion to. So here is a question; how is the best way to prove a bona fide marriage if your there for a short limited time and there is not a offical weeding for wedding invites and things like that. I know many that get maried on there last days in the country.

Read the RFE link I gave you.

Gather all the evidences since the meeting of the other half until the interview. If I start typing it here, it will be an exhaustive list. There are good threads in the first few pages that discuss about it.

First of all, marriage must be an official marrige. Not a sham marriage!

Loto

[RichiJenny 14]

Ok that i realize there is some target countries they need to pay attenion to. So here is a question; how is the best way to prove a bona fide marriage if your there for a short limited time and there is not a offical weeding for wedding invites and things like that. I know many that get maried on there last days in the country.

Photographic evidence, affidavitts from witnesses, affidavitts from the person(s) performing the ceremony...

[Samoray 165]

RFE can happen to anybody, even the well prepared folks.

Read the below link from the experienced people: http://www.visajourn...pid-rfe-thread/

To prove bona-fide relationship, just 1 or 2 secondary evidences (other than all the required docs) may be sufficient for the petitioner whose beneficiary is from some countries. But, extensive evidences will be required for the people from other countries. Hence it is a relative term!

Better to be safe than sorry!

Loto

How come no one is grabbing any drinks Well said Loto anybody can get an RFE no matter how well they were prepared with or without the help of an attorney

[AlexJane 2]

ALL you people who say Attornies do it wrong...

Take a hike. You got proof of all of them that have

attornies all got RFE's, or you just make stupid coment

becasue you dont really know.

I bet you there are more RFE done by people doing it

them self than Attornies. But for you all that did do

it right great.

But all you that think ALL attornies are bad LET'S HOPE

you aren't DENIED and never need one becasue you have

problems. And I'm sure you will have to wait much

longer also if you made a mistake. It must be why I

see so many people come on here asking for help because

they didnt do it right the first time, having no experience.

Than if your doing it yourself, you got nobody to BLAME

BUT YOURSELF.

Than face it ...experience does make a difference

But to each his own, if you do it and dont get a RFE

I slatue YOU !

But I rather take my chances with a attorney, than not.

Anybody can try doing all the forms them self.

But if you do make a mistake than you have to be UPSET

only at yourself and your own ability to have done it

incorrectly.

I'm sure some attornies do make mistake but i would bet all my

money on a attorney than without. People doing it themself have

a MUCH HIGHER RATE of RFE...Than people who have attornies !

So let just hope you dont need and attorney and dont get a RFE.

I bet my money on and attorney that has done 2 or 3 hundred

cases than somebody who doing it their first time alone ! ! ! ! !

Maybe you luck out doing it right but there the chance you

dont also. Dont tell me experience attornies and them doing hundreds dont

mean nothing. I really dont care what you think. Let's just say

you better PRAY YOU DONT GET A RFE.

I rather take my chances on somebody who knows what they are

doing than somebody trying to do it themself and not sure or

doing it wrong. Help is available here.

Doing it right and you will have a better chance on not getting

a RFE.

Yeah is makes me laugh also when i see many here making their own

problems for not doing it right also.

Maybe they did make a mistake on their case, NOBODY PERFECT EXCEPT GOD

SO if you dont fine if you do what you going to do

JUST COMPLAIN....Join all the others with problems.

There are 10 of thousand claims being processed.

Yeah you have a right to see mistakes

But what you dont have a right if they find your MISTAKE also.

What if you were working right alone and you were them working

on a claim and you found a mistake processing your claim. Dont you

think they are pissed off also becasue you didnt or failed to do it right.

Now they have to take the time out to notify of your mistake

You thinks its fun for them, when they have to process hundreds

a week or thousands ? ? ? Everybody complains about them

They dont have a right to place the blame on you if you are

not correct also ? ? ?

Think about it or place the blame always on them right ?

They are human just like you and have rights to make mistakes also.

But what if you make the mitake are you complaing to them or looking

at yourself for YOUR OWN MISTAKE ?

Something for you to like, complain about to me or to take the blame

yourself. Your fooling nobody but yourself.

NOT ME ! NOT THEM. Make your coment but let hope i dont see any of

you in the future asking for help becasue i see you did it wrong

Than let's see who laughing too !

SO laugh all you want at yourself not me.

I will save the names of you all, and let see if you ask when or

if you ask for help or get a RFE or anything with your claim in

the future also. Thans let see ! ! ! !

I get to laugh at you all FAIR GAME BACK TO YOU No problem.

Laugh all you want you think i care until i see you have a problem.

And see who ask if they know and attorney to help them, or dont ask for one

But i bet you wife over seas wont be so happy at you either...

Will she be laughing at you ? ? Think about it for your mistake ! ! ! ! !

Having to wait longer also.

Good luck for those who dont have any in the future and for you that do

OH WELL !

You must be an attorney lacking a lot of customers.. Uscis form I-130 is as basic as filling a job apllication,,,,,Nvc is just as basic. Send in your docs...How is it worth that an attorney should get paid anywhere from $1500.. to $3000.00 for filling and mailing some paper work...You (attorneys) are only worth it when your standing in front of a judge in a court of law...Thanks

[MJ&RJ 7]

The old my lawyer makes no mistakes ####### again lol. I guess you don't understand that you can get an RFE not for your mistake but the NVC's as well. I got one right now because Marriage certificate was deemed a copy come to find out they don't have it at all, they lost it. and has now requested it be sent again. So it went from the lie of it's not an original to they didn't have it in the first place. It was sent but they lost it as the supervisor apologized for but guess what i still get an RFE for there mistake. It doesn't take a lawyer or a mistake on your part to get an RFE all it takes is incompetence at their level and you get one for their errors.

Edited November 23, 2010 by Mark & Ruth

[AlexJane 2]

You must be an attorney lacking a lot of customers.. Uscis form I-130 is as basic as filling a job apllication,,,,,Nvc is just as basic. Send in your docs...How is it worth that an attorney should get paid anywhere from $1500.. to $3000.00 for filling and mailing some paper work...You (attorneys) are only worth it when your standing in front of a judge in a court of law...Thanks

And a RFE is just them asking for something they need,,,!!!

[LotofPatience 65]

The old my lawyer makes no mistakes ####### again lol. I guess you don't understand that you can get an RFE not for your mistake but the NVC's as well. I got one right now because Marriage certificate was deemed a copy come to find out they don't have it at all, they lost it. and has now requested it be sent again. So it went from the lie of it's not an original to they didn't have it in the first place. It was sent but they lost it as the supervisor apologized for but guess what i still get an RFE for there mistake. It doesn't take a lawyer or a mistake on your part to get an RFE all it takes is incompetence at their level and you get one for their errors.

Exactly! If I send a marriage certificate and they misplace it, I'll get an RFE for their mistakes as well

There is no perfect world! Until visa is in hand after the interview, everything is hanging in the air

Loto