At what age did you come to realize that God/Devil/Heaven/Hell/Angels/Demons are all man-made fairy tales?

[Peikko 1,575]

It's testimony. Whether you choose to accept it as evidence is your choice. If you want to tell folks that the patriarchs of their religions are all liars, then feel free to do so.

Who's calling anyone a liar? If someone believes what they say is true, even when it is false, they are not a liar,. One has to know what one is saying is false to be a liar.

As for personal witnesses and its reliable evidence for the existence of god, very, very thin. I think that most people are now entirely convinced that witchcraft is fanciful, yet women were arrested, brought to trial, judged and executed on the basis that people had witnessed witchcraft. While court testimony is accurately recorded and preserved, I don't think we can put it forward as evidence that witches do in fact exist, do you?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Who's calling anyone a liar? If someone believes what they say is true, even when it is false, they are not a liar,. One has to know what one is saying is false to be a liar.

As for personal witnesses and its reliable evidence for the existence of god, very, very thin. I think that most people are now entirely convinced that witchcraft is fanciful, yet women were arrested, brought to trial, judged and executed on the basis that people had witnessed witchcraft. While court testimony is accurately recorded and preserved, I don't think we can put it forward as evidence that witches do in fact exist, do you?

There are practicing witches around here, so yes, they do exist.

[Ken y Leidys 20]

You are of course entitled to believe what you want, but I read an article once that postulated that "near death experiences" always happen to people who KNOW they're about to die, or think they are, not to anyone who was just "BAM". The theory was that people simply "dream" about the afterlife, or what they expect to see.

Astral projection well, that's easily explained by someone telling you about what they did at a certain time while "near death" and you waking up and recounting what you heard. Or not them telling you but telling someone else in the same room etc etc.

Obviously like I said, you're entitled to believe what you want but there you go.

No, this is first-hand info that I personally experienced while getting pulled out in a rip current and experiencing a near drowning. I had blacked out in the water, and after this experience, I came out of it, and the water dropped me back on a sand bar. I was able to walk out of the water under my own strength. This was in Mexico, and there weren't any lifeguards in La Salina, btw.

[scandal 951]

No, this is first-hand info that I personally experienced while getting pulled out in a rip current and experiencing a near drowning. I had blacked out in the water, and after this experience, I came out of it, and the water dropped me back on a sand bar. I was able to walk out of the water under my own strength. This was in Mexico, and there weren't any lifeguards in La Salina, btw.

This proves that

a) ocean currents are dangerous .. be careful out there

b) currents and tides can be unpredictable, the water can drag you out to sea, and the water (not God) can drop you back on a sand bar.

c) Mexico has too many drug dealers and not enough life guards.

Where is the proof of god or any kind of divine intervention in this story?

Glad you came out of it ok Ken

[Peikko 1,575]

There are practicing witches around here, so yes, they do exist.

practicing what? Yes, there have always been wise women (men) wise in the arts of herbal lore and pharmacy, but that's not the kind of thing that got women burnt at the stake. Most of the testimony that got women burnt was of the transmogrification variety. Now, are you seriously trying to tell me that you know of practicing witches who can turn themselves into cats and the like? If so, I'd suggest you cut back on the wacky backy for a while

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

practicing what? Yes, there have always been wise women (men) wise in the arts of herbal lore and pharmacy, but that's not the kind of thing that got women burnt at the stake. Most of the testimony that got women burnt was of the transmogrification variety. Now, are you seriously trying to tell me that you know of practicing witches who can turn themselves into cats and the like? If so, I'd suggest you cut back on the wacky backy for a while

I guess even Australia is infested with them.

[scandal 951]

practicing what? Yes, there have always been wise women (men) wise in the arts of herbal lore and pharmacy, but that's not the kind of thing that got women burnt at the stake. Most of the testimony that got women burnt was of the transmogrification variety. Now, are you seriously trying to tell me that you know of practicing witches who can turn themselves into cats and the like? If so, I'd suggest you cut back on the wacky backy for a while

http://www.wicca.org/

Welcome to the Church and Schoolof Wicca's homepage. Since 1968 we have taught, travelled and written, sharing:

"An it harm none, do as you will"

We are always happy to meet someone else who is interested in exploring Witchcraft, the Old Religion, and its way of life. Witchcraft (Wicca Craeft), is also called Wicca, or alternatively, The Craft. This previously underground religion has much to teach every human about survival and about the ethical use of natural innate powers.

The Craft is a way of life that investigates every potential that you have. The Craft draws its strength from the diversity of Nature itself; indeed it rejoices in diversity. Your views and interests are just as valid as anyone else's, and we hope that you too will help to push back the artificial barriers that surround many religious dogmas.

As we will mention several times on this website,

Witches are not Satanists. The negativity in that offshoot of Christianity is not for harmonious thinkers such as Witches.

[LaL 418]

No, this is first-hand info that I personally experienced while getting pulled out in a rip current and experiencing a near drowning. I had blacked out in the water, and after this experience, I came out of it, and the water dropped me back on a sand bar. I was able to walk out of the water under my own strength. This was in Mexico, and there weren't any lifeguards in La Salina, btw.

if god dropped you on the sandbar - he also pulled you into the riptide, right?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

if god dropped you on the sandbar - he also pulled you into the riptide, right?

It was a test, to open his eyes and turn his heart and mind to God...

(Seriously though, glad ot turned out ok.)

[s&c1 3]

I Feel sorry for people with little or no faith!!

Priase the LORD!!!

As for having to take that picture off the signature, if people are

offended then don't look at it. He lived and died for you and I.

[LaL 418]

It was a test, to open his eyes and turn his heart and mind to God...

(Seriously though, glad ot turned out ok.)

how do you know the difference between a test and an accident /good fortune that had no divine intervention?

Edited November 24, 2010 by LaL

[ready4ONE 5,400]

how do you know the difference between a test and an accident /good fortune that had no divine intervention?

That was sarcasm, the Christian response to all such events. God did the good thing, the bad was just a test, if you survived. If the test killed you, then it becomes a test for those who love you and survived.

[Peikko 1,575]

That is your proof that witches can indeed turn themselves into cats?

Edited November 24, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[BishopM 114]

No doubt - and we now have a scientific explanation for that. It's called "hallucinations",

which are often caused by brain tumors.

If you start hearing voices, I strongly recommend you see a medical professional immediately.

On very rare occasion, I have heard voices (or something like a voice, we call it a 'Private Revelation')...but I don't worry about it being a tumor, cuz Lord Arnold of California told me it wasn't a toomah

Blessings to the thread!

M

[Peikko 1,575]

You do realise that it is highly unlikely that any of the women burned as witches even knew about Wicca let alone practiced it?