Got the RFE

[Lisamarie 79]

It's the same exact letter.......

Sounds like you got the same adjudicator as SamOnline. Maybe a PM to him would be helpful?

[Lisamarie 79]

Oh adjucator...was his filed in California also? I'll have to look.

It's the same exact letter.......

[Samoray 165]

This is it.......WHY???????? We have until December 24 to answer it.

This is identical to the RFE we had, Check it out

[Java917 1]

This is stupid. All i sent was a marriage certificate and I got an approval. I have a feeling if the beneficiary is a guy and its a muslim country they send out this same letter to everybody. Wish somebody had the power to stop it when you've already front loaded your petition...

[Sra Gomez 9]

just wondering why you got such a HUGE RFE...is there anything about your case that makes it "complicated", previous marriages, age difference, anything at all? Just curious to know what to watch out for.

[Lisamarie 79]

I was married before but I've been divorced for 4 1/2 years now. I submitted a divorce certificate. We have 11 years difference between us but everyone says in our pictures that we look the same age. I completely front-loaded our petition...besides the standard forms that they ask for I sent 10 letters from family members on both sides, phone records for a year and a half, chats (tons) for a year and a half, airline tickets, itinerary, receipt from the consulate, copy of car insurance with his name on it (they automatically added him because I'm married), 27 pictures, a few in front of places with signs, one of them even in front of the train station with the name of his city on it. I really don't know....

just wondering why you got such a HUGE RFE...is there anything about your case that makes it "complicated", previous marriages, age difference, anything at all? Just curious to know what to watch out for.

[Samoray 165]

I was married before but I've been divorced for 4 1/2 years now. I submitted a divorce certificate. We have 11 years difference between us but everyone says in our pictures that we look the same age. I completely front-loaded our petition...besides the standard forms that they ask for I sent 10 letters from family members on both sides, phone records for a year and a half, chats (tons) for a year and a half, airline tickets, itinerary, receipt from the consulate, copy of car insurance with his name on it (they automatically added him because I'm married), 27 pictures, a few in front of places with signs, one of them even in front of the train station with the name of his city on it. I really don't know....

My wife was never married before, age difference between us is 5 years, we got smoothly through this by sumbitting every single request

if you have most of these evidence you will get past this very smoothly as well

Good Luck Lisa

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Some of the stuff is entirely related to a genuine relationship. Common language, regular correspondence, photos, details of the wedding, knowledge and consent of family members, etc.

Some the stuff is related to the financial aspects of the relationship. Statement from employer about authorized absence, proof of prior and current wages, airline ticket receipts, prior and current bank statements, hotel receipts, etc. In many cases, they want proof of who paid for things.

They obviously found something that's triggered their suspicion. It sounds like they think this relationship is a setup, arranged by the beneficiary or a family member, and the expenses are being paid by someone else. It also sounds like they think the petitioner is getting paid for their trouble. This is why they want proof of who paid the expenses, copies of bank statements (they're looking for deposits that might indicate the petitioner is being paid), and evidence of whether the petitioner knows any of the beneficiary's family living in the US.

Does he have family in the US? Do you know any of them? Were you introduced to him by any of them? Do you work with or work for any of his family members?

Another possible angle... Does his family have money? Do you know if any of his family members have immigrated to the US in the past through marriage to a US citizen? Any of his family have prior trouble with US immigration authorities?

I'm just trying to figure out what triggered this. If you know what triggered it then you can compose your response to specifically address whatever it is that set them off.

[JoannaV 174]

I'm so sorry for you guys But at least once you have submitted all this evidence there can surely be no doubt left in any adjudicator's mind!

[Lisamarie 79]

Thank you:)

It seems like they are already having trouble believing your marriage and relationship. Hopefully you can get all the documents together and send it back early as you can.

Thanks alot:) My biggest worry is getting paperwork from Morocco in time. Things have to be notarized, translated, sent here, etc. We will do the best we can. We love each other more than anything and all we want is to spend our lives together.

My wife was never married before, age difference between us is 5 years, we got smoothly through this by sumbitting every single request

if you have most of these evidence you will get past this very smoothly as well

Good Luck Lisa

[Lisamarie 79]

Yes true....and thank you:)

I'm so sorry for you guys But at least once you have submitted all this evidence there can surely be no doubt left in any adjudicator's mind!

[Lisamarie 79]

Honestly I've been trying to figure out what triggered this all day. I do know that two other people got the same exact letter that filed through the CA office...maybe more, but two that I know of for sure.

I realized after reading the letter several times that that's what they were looking for, with asking for the bank statements two months before and after the trip. I have proof of how the payment was made, and I'm just the average joe....no huge deposits going into my account at any time. I stayed at his home so I don't have hotel receipts. His mother welcomed me with open arms and I felt like part of the family from the minute they picked us up at the train station.

He does have a brother here. He lives on the other side of the country and I've talked to him I think, three times. Two of those times was when I was chatting with my husband and I called him to see if he could get online to talk with him (since it's a free call here). I've never met him. He seems like a nice person, works all the time...that's about as much as I know. He doesn't have any other family here. He has a job with one of the most prestigious places in Morocco, he's been there for 7 years now. He makes an average wage but he's a stable person. His family doesn't have money, they are not poor, but just simple, basic, average people. His siblings are all teachers, except the one that lives here, and two that don't work. Very nice, hard working, good family.

I've looked at our file many times and still don't know what triggered this. Unless they didn't like our chats...our chats are mainly serious. We talk about life, religion, we don't have flirty personalities or conversations. We have the same type of personality...calm, realistic, we like intelligent conversation, not just "I love you, you're so handsome, you're so pretty"...that type of thing. Maybe that's a problem? I don't know. "sigh" we are who we are, and we both love each other very much. That's one thing I know for sure.

Thank you.

Some of the stuff is entirely related to a genuine relationship. Common language, regular correspondence, photos, details of the wedding, knowledge and consent of family members, etc.

Some the stuff is related to the financial aspects of the relationship. Statement from employer about authorized absence, proof of prior and current wages, airline ticket receipts, prior and current bank statements, hotel receipts, etc. In many cases, they want proof of who paid for things.

They obviously found something that's triggered their suspicion. It sounds like they think this relationship is a setup, arranged by the beneficiary or a family member, and the expenses are being paid by someone else. It also sounds like they think the petitioner is getting paid for their trouble. This is why they want proof of who paid the expenses, copies of bank statements (they're looking for deposits that might indicate the petitioner is being paid), and evidence of whether the petitioner knows any of the beneficiary's family living in the US.

Does he have family in the US? Do you know any of them? Were you introduced to him by any of them? Do you work with or work for any of his family members?

Another possible angle... Does his family have money? Do you know if any of his family members have immigrated to the US in the past through marriage to a US citizen? Any of his family have prior trouble with US immigration authorities?

I'm just trying to figure out what triggered this. If you know what triggered it then you can compose your response to specifically address whatever it is that set them off.

[Lisamarie 79]

I sent so many things for proof of our marriage....that's why I don't understand. But we will answer the RFE the best that we can in the time given because we want to be together and neither of us can imagine not living together as husband and wife........

This is stupid. All i sent was a marriage certificate and I got an approval. I have a feeling if the beneficiary is a guy and its a muslim country they send out this same letter to everybody. Wish somebody had the power to stop it when you've already front loaded your petition...

[moroccogirlny 100]

Did you marry on your first trip to Morocco?

Did your husband have any prior relationships with American women?

You might have over done the email/chat logs.

[nab 74]

This is identical to the RFE we had, Check it out

This is stupid. All i sent was a marriage certificate and I got an approval. I have a feeling if the beneficiary is a guy and its a muslim country they send out this same letter to everybody. Wish somebody had the power to stop it when you've already front loaded your petition...

i believe you are correct.

note on the page 2 above, under relationships, the last paragraph where it refers to petitioner specifically as "she" and beneficiary as "he" rather than s/he or she or he... if this is a form letter seems it is only sent out under one situation, when man is beneficiary.

additionally under meetinig - "her" credit card... petitioner is always referred as she/her

Edited November 19, 2010 by nab