proof of relationship

[oceanshark 2]

i understand about many of the "proof" things. however, i am very curious about this aspect of it for the K1. we have a gaziilion chats and emails. do we include conversations where there was tension and or arguments? to show a "real" relationship? or just to good stuff, which there is plenty of:-)please advise....thanks again for everything....todd

[Robert de Bonda 3]

i understand about many of the "proof" things. however, i am very curious about this aspect of it for the K1. we have a gaziilion chats and emails. do we include conversations where there was tension and or arguments? to show a "real" relationship? or just to good stuff, which there is plenty of:-)please advise....thanks again for everything....todd

If you can print out an index; do so. Then cherry-pick which conversations to include. To my mind conversations dealing with reminicences or talk of the future are perfect for this purpose.

[thelastpetitioner 218]

the conversation in whcih you call eachother husband or wife or anything of that sort with any reference to engagement party ( if you had one ) are no nos,that could make a CO doubt that you are engaged and not married

[CoffeeMuse 5]

I did not include "content" of emails for proof of ongoing relationship and it doesn't appear to be necessary to go to that level of detail. What was recommended here were things from the following:

Photo's of you together with your fiancee.

Airline boarding passes that showed you flew to be with her or visa versa (dates etc)

Itineraries.

Stamps in the passport related to the above.

I did include a listing of emails sent over time, but no printouts of their contents, just maybe 10 pages over so many months showing emails sent and received, dates, her name and email address associated.

I provided a 2 or 3 page narrative stating when first became romantically involved, a summary of each visit with each other, dates and the items I provided as evidence (photo's, passport stamped pages, plane tickets etc). Since we used voice over internet chat (Ventrilo) to talk nearly daily, I just stated that as the explanation why there were periods with not much email. I didn't have any logs to that effect but the other evidence provided I'm sure the fact that we had visited each other in person 3 times prior to filing, that was sufficient for the I129F and it was accepted, no RFE's. Perhaps if we had only met once they might have wanted to see more but 3 separate visits (1 week, 2 weeks and 1 month) probably made a good case.

[Brad and Vika 129]

This subject gets kicked around quite a bit on vj. Apparently there is some debate as to how much proof is required, and it depends on where you are interviewing. In the Embassy at Kiev, Ukraine where we interviewed, none of that stuff was necessary. For the petition itself, call and email/skype logs are not really considered substantive proof. Lots of folks send it anyway - the logic being more proof is always better. Post on your regional sub-forum and ask about the interview at the embassy (in China, right?) where you will be.

I don't think that any particular conversation works better than others though.

[Utah_Bound 0]

We included copies of emails, chats and even snail mail we sent each other especially ones where we were discussing the wedding, plans for the future etc. Its better to send too much than not send enough.

[CoffeeMuse 5]

I've heard of people bringing a mountain of stuff to the interview and nearly every case mentioned here it was never looked at. As others have said, I don't think it can hurt to send too much but there is a point that you have to provide a good amount of envidence and call it enough. The I129F has to fit in the mail after all. Mine was less than a half inch thick. I sent a good dose of the basics and then made sure my fiancee had extra stuff she could come armed with at the interview, including things we kept like snail mail correspondence or cards etc, and additional photo's etc. We didn't go crazy like some people do but did want to have sufficient stuff. We haven't used snail mail all that much and lets face it, with the internet email, instant messaging, ventrilo, skype etc, not all that much is sent back and forth via snail mail anymore.

I do see the sense in following the regional forums because what embassy's accept may be different depending on countries the fiancee is applied for, especially the countries with higher rates of fraud so those may need more evidence etc. Get feed back from people dealing with those embassy's.

[Nicoco 26]

This subject gets kicked around quite a bit on vj. Apparently there is some debate as to how much proof is required, and it depends on where you are interviewing. In the Embassy at Kiev, Ukraine where we interviewed, none of that stuff was necessary. For the petition itself, call and email/skype logs are not really considered substantive proof. Lots of folks send it anyway - the logic being more proof is always better. Post on your regional sub-forum and ask about the interview at the embassy (in China, right?) where you will be.

I don't think that any particular conversation works better than others though.

Why doesn't call logs and skype call logs count as evidence? Mostly we only talk through skype calling because it is the cheapest way to stay in touch.

[Brad and Vika 129]

I've heard of people bringing a mountain of stuff to the interview and nearly every case mentioned here it was never looked at. As others have said, I don't think it can hurt to send too much but there is a point that you have to provide a good amount of envidence and call it enough. The I129F has to fit in the mail after all. Mine was less than a half inch thick. I sent a good dose of the basics and then made sure my fiancee had extra stuff she could come armed with at the interview, including things we kept like snail mail correspondence or cards etc, and additional photo's etc. We didn't go crazy like some people do but did want to have sufficient stuff. We haven't used snail mail all that much and lets face it, with the internet email, instant messaging, ventrilo, skype etc, not all that much is sent back and forth via snail mail anymore.

I do see the sense in following the regional forums because what embassy's accept may be different depending on countries the fiancee is applied for, especially the countries with higher rates of fraud so those may need more evidence etc. Get feed back from people dealing with those embassy's.

I agree with all of that. We sent a few email printouts and about a half dozen pictures with family. My wife brought a ton of proof to the embassy that they didn't even want to see. Also, my attending the interview was a plus - but in some countries they won't allow the USC to participate at all.

[yassinerabat1 14]

i understand about many of the "proof" things. however, i am very curious about this aspect of it for the K1. we have a gaziilion chats and emails. do we include conversations where there was tension and or arguments? to show a "real" relationship? or just to good stuff, which there is plenty of:-)please advise....thanks again for everything....todd

i dont think the consular will read your conversations where there was arguments and say " well they fight that mean them relation is real lets give them the visa " i think you should show nice things, anyways the e-mails took just 5% or 8% of the level of proofs cuz you have just to start your computer and write words in ya keyboard and push " enter ", a letter is better, you write it with your own hand, you walk to the mail office, you buy a stamp you write the address and send it.

[baron555 934]

i understand about many of the "proof" things. however, i am very curious about this aspect of it for the K1. we have a gaziilion chats and emails. do we include conversations where there was tension and or arguments? to show a "real" relationship? or just to good stuff, which there is plenty of:-)please advise....thanks again for everything....todd

You REALLY NEED to go to the regional forum and understand very thoroughly what the Embassy in China wants to see.

It seems that they are a very difficult Embassy and maybe you need more than just emails and chats to prove your relationship. This is very important and you should not gloss over it.

[CoffeeMuse 5]

i dont think the consular will read your conversations where there was arguments and say " well they fight that mean them relation is real lets give them the visa " i think you should show nice things, anyways the e-mails took just 5% or 8% of the level of proofs cuz you have just to start your computer and write words in ya keyboard and push " enter ", a letter is better, you write it with your own hand, you walk to the mail office, you buy a stamp you write the address and send it.

A agree. I don't think it helps anyone to offer unflattering stuff in an effort to show a "real" relationship. You don't want to make them doubt the success of the relationship with arguemnts etc. As above, offer positive things but a sampling. No need to send them a "bug squasher". =P

[rongnjohn 1]

Ultimately all of this will end up at GUZ for the interview. You can not submit more information after the initial filing (unless RFE), therefore search on 'front loading". Among other things, GUZ likes to see the length of relationship, communication ability and time together (travel). Emails / Email logs help prove the first two.

Good luck

[BlueBonnet 84]

For ours, I submitted the boarding passes, and itineries. I submitted hotel reciepts and visa statements. I submitted some emails, a couple per month, maybe a dozen pictures, a couple from this trip, a couple from that trip .. you get the picture. I submitted maybe a years worth of telephone bills. I kinda front loaded the K1 petition with evidence.

We had about 6 months between the initial petition and the interview. For the interview I stocked up everything, I had my fiance send me cards back that I had sent him over the years, I pretty much had it all.

At the interview I could hear the CO going through papers, I got the impression he was reading over the intitial evidence. When I went to have my interview, he didnt ask for 1 peice of evidence from my "new" and "improved" book.

What I really think it comes down to is the consulate ( high fraud ) and the actual Consulate officer that you get for your interview.

Look back at what youre submitting from a 3rd party and see if you believe that what you are sending is enough to "prove" to a complete stranger that you are in fact in love with this person.

Ill add too .. my newer evidence book was about 5" thick ...

I had the flight information

Hotel reciepts/gas reciepts/dinner reciepts/movie pay stubs

Emails

Chat logs

Forums with insta chat and our personal accounts - he has his interests set to --- My Name Here

Cards/gifts

Phone records from home/work/cell

Facebook converstations

Conversations with friends - email and facebook

Pictures ( they say that one picture says 1000 words )

Im glad I front loaded my petition, but I was prepared for anything with the revised book. I think though that maybe for this question you may want to look a peoples experiences with the consulate, read the reviews, I think that will help you alot.

Best of luck !