Flying while arab/muslim

[Henia 11]

G' Morning Ladies!

You guys are making me hungry talking about Cedarland, al Ameers, ma'mouls, etc.

We definitely have to go out sometime....either before or after Miss Henia gets hitched

Y'all are cracking me up with your pics!!! LOL!! I miss all the good stuff at night...damn it for not having net at home!!!

PS..Sorry Captain, I promise to play nicer in the future

Have a good one..Happy Friday!!!!!

Well unfortunely my countdown is now on 11 days until D-day...(oops I mean my depature)... but I am sure Icey could keep you well entertained LoL while I am gone... Inchallah I will be back Nov 6.

But hmmm we should get together...

[amal 4]

ok...whatever time it was when I posted last in this thread....is how long it took me to read from where I left off a few days ago... (roughly 2 hours) and I had been reading quite a while before that... WOW so many things to say and not enough time....not enough space.....WOW... I can say that no matter your views...I like all of you and even when the cookie has crumbled its last crumble...you all are still able to find a smile and go on with ur days!! i love you all..... Differences are what keep us human. And as far as the pictures that have been posted....TOOO ADORABLE!!!!!

[Henia 11]

ok...whatever time it was when I posted last in this thread....is how long it took me to read from where I left off a few days ago... (roughly 2 hours) and I had been reading quite a while before that... WOW so many things to say and not enough time....not enough space.....WOW... I can say that no matter your views...I like all of you and even when the cookie has crumbled its last crumble...you all are still able to find a smile and go on with ur days!! i love you all..... Differences are what keep us human. And as far as the pictures that have been posted....TOOO ADORABLE!!!!!

We love you too Amal.... The sisterhood ring ya know?!

[amal 4]

sisterhood rules!

[lostinlove228 0]

Largest Muslim Populations in the World

Rank Country Muslim Population

1 Indonesia 182,570,000

2 Pakistan 134,480,000

3 India 121,000,000

4 Bangladesh 114,080,000

5 Turkey 65,510,000

6 Iran 62,430,000

7 Egypt 58,630,000

8 Nigeria 53,000,000

9 Algeria 30,530,000

10 Morocco 28,780,000

hmm... ??? the first arab country with muslim populations doesn't even start until #7.

Only 20% of Muslims are Arabic. The rest are from the rest of the world.

just out of curiosity...where is Jordan on the list?? (you may have answered but I haven't been here in a while and there are like 20 pages to read...so I figured I'd just ask) hehe

[Veiled Princess 1]

bigots....hahaha..thats funny...not me

look up the meaning of assimilate please......I could care less what religion you belong to....just keep it private and do it in your home, church, synagogue, mosque, wherever,,,,but not on the airplane that Im on.

dont wanna be a part of our society, then Im sure that some other place would suit you better.

I was wondering how many of the 30 pages of responses I would get through before the old "if you don't like it go home/elsewhere" statement would come up... didn't take long at all

One day we'll learn not to waste our time trying to explain ourselves to folks here or elsewhere inshallah

Assimilate... isn't that what the borg always wanted?

[Henia 11]

bigots....hahaha..thats funny...not me

look up the meaning of assimilate please......I could care less what religion you belong to....just keep it private and do it in your home, church, synagogue, mosque, wherever,,,,but not on the airplane that Im on.

dont wanna be a part of our society, then Im sure that some other place would suit you better.

I was wondering how many of the 30 pages of responses I would get through before the old "if you don't like it go home/elsewhere" statement would come up... didn't take long at all

One day we'll learn not to waste our time trying to explain ourselves to folks here or elsewhere inshallah

Assimilate... isn't that what the borg always wanted?

I wonder if the native indians told this same thing to the english when they landed on plymouth rock?

[Henia 11]

I got this saddening email in my box today from a friend Raed...about a recent flight....What do you all think of it?

"I went to JFK in the morning to catch my Jet Blue plane to California. I reached Terminal 6 at around 7:15 am, issued a boarding pass, and checked all my bags in, and then walked to the security checkpoint. For the first time in my life, I was taken to a secondary search . My shoes were searched, and I was asked for my boarding pass and ID. After passing the security, I walked to check where gate 16 was, then I went to get something to eat. I got some cheese and grapes with some orange juice and I went back to Gate 16 and sat down in the boarding area enjoying my breakfast and some sunshine.

At around 8:30, two men approached me while I was checking my phone. One of them asked me if I had a minute and he showed me his badge, I said: "sure". We walked some few steps and stood in front of the boarding counter where I found out that they were accompanied by another person, a woman from Jet Blue.

One of the two men who approached me first, Inspector Harris, asked for my id card and boarding pass. I gave him my boarding pass and driver's license. He said "people are feeling offended because of your t-shirt". I looked at my t-shirt: I was wearing my shirt which states in both Arabic and English "we will not be silent". You can take a look at it in this picture taken during our Jordan meetings with Iraqi MPs. I said "I am very sorry if I offended anyone, I didnt know that this t-shirt will be offensive". He asked me if I had any other T-shirts to put on, and I told him that I had checked in all of my bags and I asked him "why do you want me to take off my t-shirt? Isn't it my constitutional right to express myself in this way?" The second man in a greenish suit interfered and said "people here in the US don't understand these things about constitutional rights". So I answered him "I live in the US, and I understand it is my right to wear this t-shirt".

Then I once again asked the three of them : "How come you are asking me to change my t-shirt? Isn't this my constitutional right to wear it? I am ready to change it if you tell me why I should. Do you have an order against Arabic t-shirts? Is there such a law against Arabic script?" so inspector Harris answered "you can't wear a t-shirt with Arabic script and come to an airport. It is like wearing a t-shirt that reads "I am a robber" and going to a bank". I said "but the message on my t-shirt is not offensive, it just says "we will not be silent". I got this t-shirt from Washington DC. There are more than a 1000 t-shirts printed with the same slogan, you can google them or email them at wewillnotbesilent@gmail.com . It is printed in many other languages: Arabic, Farsi, Spanish, English, etc." Inspector Harris said: "We cant make sure that your t-shirt means we will not be silent, we don't have a translator. Maybe it means something else". I said: "But as you can see, the statement is in both Arabic and English". He said "maybe it is not the same message". So based on the fact that Jet Blue doesn't have a translator, anything in Arabic is suspicious because maybe it'll mean something bad!

Meanwhile, a third man walked in our direction. He stood with us without introducing himself, and he looked at inspector Harris's notes and asks him: "is that his information?", inspector Harris answered "yes". The third man, Mr. Harmon, asks inspector Harris : "can I copy this information?", and inspector Harris says "yes, sure".

inspector Harris said: "You don't have to take of your t-shirt, just put it on inside-out". I refused to put on my shirt inside-out. So the woman interfered and said "let's reach a compromise. I will buy you a new t-shirt and you can put it on on top of this one". I said "I want to keep this t-shirt on". Both inspector Harris and Mr. Harmon said "No, we can't let you get on that airplane with your t-shirt". I said "I am ready to put on another t-shirt if you tell me what is the law that requires such a thing. I want to talk to your supervisor". Inspector Harris said "You don't have to talk to anyone. Many people called and complained about your t-shirt. Jetblue customers were calling before you reached the checkpoint, and costumers called when you were waiting here in the boarding area".

it was then that I realized that my t-shirt was the reason why I had been taken to the secondary checking.

I asked the four people again to let me talk to any supervisor, and they refused.

The Jet Blue woman was asking me again to end this problem by just putting on a new t-shirt, and I felt threatened by Mr. Harmon's remarks as in "Let's end this the nice way". Taking in consideration what happens to other Arabs and Muslims in US airports, and realizing that I will miss my flight unless I covered the Arabic script on my t-shirt as I was told by the four agents, I asked the Jet Blue woman to buy me a t-shirt and I said "I don't want to miss my flight."

She asked, what kind of t-shirts do you like. Should I get you an "I heart new york t-shirt?". So Mr. Harmon said "No, we shouldn't ask him to go from one extreme to another". I asked mr. harmon why does he assume I hate new york if I had some Arabic script on my t-shirt, but he didn't answer.

The woman went away for 3 minutes, and she came back with a gray t-shirt reading "new york". I put the t-shirt on and removed the price tag. I told the four people who were involved in the conversation: "I feel very sad that my personal freedom was taken away like this. I grew up under authoritarian governments in the Middle East, and one of the reasons I chose to move to the US was that I don't want an officer to make me change my t-shirt. I will pursue this incident today through a Constitutional rights organization, and I am sure we will meet soon". Everyone said okay and left, and I went back to my seat.

At 8:50 I was called again by a fourth young man, standing with the same jetblue woman. He asked for my boarding pass, so I gave it to him, and stood in front of the boarding counter. I asked the woman: "is everything okay?", she responded: "Yes, sure. We just have to change your seat". I said: "but I want this seat, that's why I chose it online 4 weeks ago", the fourth man said " there is a lady with a toddler sitting there. We need the seat."

Then they re-issued me a small boarding pass for seat 24a, instead of seat 3a. They said that I can go to the airplane now. I was the first person who entered the airplane, and I was really annoyed about being assigned this seat in the back of the airplane too. It smelled like the bathrooms, which is why I had originally chosen a seat which would be far from that area.

It sucks to be an Arab/Muslim living in the US these days. When you go to the middle east, you are a US tax-payer destroying people's houses with your money, and when you come back to the US, you are a suspected terrorist and plane hijacker."

[noura 0]

that really sux... and I love JetBlue - it's usually my preferred airline. I want to inquire w/ them if this incident is true and complain abt it.... that really sux

[Bosco 1]

Rahma started the thread with a link to Raed's account, so I think many people have expressed their opinion on that incident - apparently some think it is fine to target people wearing t-shirts with Arabic writing and others feel strongly against it.

[PlatyPius 5]

I can understand why people were nervous about it, but I also think it was not right that he should have had to change his shirt.

However, in Jet Blue's defense, they ARE a customer-service company. If they really did receive numerous complaints, then they do have to inconvenience the one to make the many feel safe, happy, whatever. It's just economics....lose one customer, or lose 10.

Still, I do disagree with the whole thing. We have rules and laws in this country for a reason. They are not selective; they apply to all Americans whether white, brown, black, yellow, red, orange, or purple; Xian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Scientologist, or athiest. Unless there is a law banning arabic writing, nothing can be done about it legally.

[amal 4]

yep..thats right

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Here's the response email I got. Lots of fluff, no substance.

Dear Ms. ______

Thank you for giving us an opportunity to address the situation reported on DemocracyNow.org and

other sites. We are working with the TSA to fully understand the situation, and we have not

concluded our fact-finding yet.

Our fundamental responsibility as an airline is to provide safe and secure travel for all of our

customers. This requires us to be sensitive to the concerns of all of our customers, while also

upholding the rights of the individual. We value diversity, among our customers as well as our

crewmembers. We take our responsibility seriously, and should there be an opportunity to improve our

effectiveness, we will take the appropriate action.

We appreciate your interest in this matter as well as your understanding of all our customers'

needs. We remain available should you have any further questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

Jason Ward

Director Customer Commitment

JetBlue Airways

[Together4ever 1]

... American redundancy at its finest.

It all comes down to money, not responsibility. They'd rather lose one customer then the herd of bleeting nincompoops that think a man wearing a t-shirt with Arabic script on it is a terrorist.

Can we examine one thing? Aren't terrorists on airplanes trying to be SNEAKY??? Why would an Arab terrorist walk onto an airplane wearing an Arabic t-shirt blatantly advertising the fact that he's Arab if he wants to do bad things? Especially given how over-the-edge people are these days?

[noura 0]

... American redundancy at its finest.

It all comes down to money, not responsibility. They'd rather lose one customer then the herd of bleeting nincompoops that think a man wearing a t-shirt with Arabic script on it is a terrorist.

Can we examine one thing? Aren't terrorists on airplanes trying to be SNEAKY??? Why would an Arab terrorist walk onto an airplane wearing an Arabic t-shirt blatantly advertising the fact that he's Arab if he wants to do bad things? Especially given how over-the-edge people are these days?

that was the sneaky part, Jean... he was trying to make ppl think he was an innocent arab-american... for all the nincompoops knew, that was hebrew on his shirt! Bet they wouldn't have had a translator for that either. How much u wanna bet nobody would have had any complaints if that shirt were in spanish, french, italian, or even german????