9-11

[Danno 1,228]

I bet someone will come forward about witnessing the wiring of the buildings to explode eventually.

WIRING?

I wasn;t aware it was like stringing Christmas lights, don't each of these explosives have to be "hammer-drilled" into place?

How does one do all that very noisy work and run all that wiring with no maintenance, security or employes taking note of the sound... or the wires streaming everywhere?

HAve you read the Popular Mechanics report on their findings when they investigated all these claims?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLx5GATh_z0

[웃 910]

The terrorists planned the attacks in 1999. You seriously believe they found a few people in the White House and told them of the plan, and they jumped on board? They then put the terrorists in touch with some CIA operatives who then put together a meeting with George W. Bush and Cheney? How crazy does that sound? No offense, but if a guy named Mohammed sheik abdul jabar asks to hold a meeting with some white house staff about a possible plan to hijack commercial airplanes and crash them into multi billion dollar infrastructure to kill 1000s of innocent civilians so that the US can prosper the guy would be immediately handcuffed, tortured, and sent to prison for life. You have to go back to square 1 and realize that it is not possible for a group of extremists muslims from middle eastern descent to get in contact with top US government (with a plan to commit terrorist acts). Now go look in the mirror, splash some water on your face, drink a cup of coffee and snap out of it. You are a nutcase.

The commission found that the plot originally called for hijacking 10 planes and attacking targets on the eastern and western coasts of the United States.According to the commission:

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the plot, planned to have nine of the planes crash into the FBI and CIA headquarters, the Pentagon and the White House, as well as nuclear plants and the tallest buildings in California and Washington state.

Mohammed was arrested in March 2003 in Pakistan and turned over to U.S. authorities.

The hijackers of the 10th plane, which Mohammed planned to pilot, would contact the media, kill all of the adult men onboard and then make a statement denouncing the United States before freeing the women and children.

The plot also called for hijacking and blowing up 12 airliners in Southeast Asia, but al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden scrapped that part of the plan because it was too difficult to coordinate operations on two continents.

Bin Laden scaled back the plot in the United States to the four planes that were eventually used in the attack.

They narrowed down the list of targets to the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon and either the White House or the Capitol.

Bin Laden wanted to hit the White House, but Mohammed and Mohamed Atta, the leader of the 19 hijackers, favored the Capitol, because they felt it would be an easier target.

Mohammed initially proposed the attacks in 1996, but planning did not begin until 1999.

Bin Laden had wanted the attack to occur as early as mid-2000, after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount tunnel, which preceded a Palestinian intifada. But the hijacker-pilots were not yet fully trained.

Bin Laden then pressed for a date earlier in 2001, such as May 12, the seven-month anniversary of the USS Cole attack, or in June or July, when Sharon was due to visit the White House. Again, the hijackers were not ready.

The September 11 date was not chosen until three weeks before. The hijackers bought their tickets only two weeks before.

The plot cost an estimated $400,000 to $500,000, not including the hijackers' training in Afghanistan. The hijackers spent about $270,000 in the United States, mainly on flight training, travel, housing, and vehicles.

The panel said it found "no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

The Bush administration has said the terrorist network and Iraq were linked.

In response, a senior administration official traveling with President Bush in Tampa, Florida, said, "We stand by what Powell and Tenet have said," referring to previous statements by Secretary of State Colin Powell and CIA Director George Tenet that described such links.

In February 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the United Nations that Iraq was harboring Abu Musab Zarqawi, a "collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda lieutenants," and he said Iraq's denials of ties to al Qaeda "are simply not credible."

In September, Cheney said Iraq had been "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Bush, responding to criticism of Cheney's comment, said there was no evidence Saddam's government was linked to the September 11 attacks.

Just this week Bush and Cheney have made comments alleging ties between al Qaeda and Iraq.

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry said, "the administration misled America."

"The administration reached too far," he told Detroit radio station WDET. "They did not tell the truth to Americans about what was happening or their own intentions."

The commission's report says bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to [saddam] Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.

"The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded bin Laden to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda."

A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994.

Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.

"Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied" any relationship, the report said.

The panel also dismissed reports that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in the Czech Republic on April 9, 2000. "We do not believe that such a meeting occurred."

The report said that Atta was in Virginia on April 4 -- evidenced by video that shows him withdrawing $8,000 from an ATM -- and he was in Florida by April 11 if not before.

The report also found that there was no "convincing evidence that any government financially supported al Qaeda before 9/11" other than the limited support provided by the Taliban when bin Laden arrived in Afghanistan.

The toppling of the Taliban regime "fundamentally changed" al Qaeda, leaving it decentralized and altering bin Laden's role.

Prior to the attacks, bin Laden approved all al Qaeda operations and often chose targets and the operatives himself, the report said.

"After al Qaeda lost Afghanistan after 9/11, it fundamentally changed. The organization is far more decentralized. Bin Laden's seclusion forced operational commanders and cell leaders to assume greater authority; they are now making the command decisions previously made by him," the report said.

The commission said that al Qaeda was seeking to obtain nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

Al Qaeda "remains interested in using a radiological dispersal device or 'dirty bomb,' a conventional explosive designed to spread radioactive material," the commission said.

The report said that al Qaeda may also seek to launch a chemical attack using widely available chemicals or by attacking a chemical plant or chemical shipments.

The commission also said that Tenet testified that a possible anthrax attack is "one of the most immediate threats the United States is likely to face."

Al Qaeda's funding came primarily from a fund-raising network, not business enterprises or bin Laden's personal fortune, the commission said.

Bin Laden owned some businesses and other assets in Sudan, but "most were small or not economically viable." The report says bin Laden "never received a $300 million inheritance," but from 1970 until approximately 1994 received about $1 million a year.

The commission found that Saudi Arabia was a rich fund-raising ground for al Qaeda, but that it had found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior officials within the Saudi government funded al Qaeda.

The group distributed the money as quickly as it was raised, with much of the money going to the Taliban for its operations in Afghanistan.

The CIA estimates that al Qaeda spent $30 million each year on expenses including terrorist operations, salaries and maintenance on terrorist training camps.

Its largest expense was payments to the Taliban, which were estimated at between $10 million and $20 million per year.

http://articles.cnn....=PM:ALLPOLITICS

Edited November 7, 2010 by Lord Infamous

[웃 910]

I have the ultimate proof it was not an inside job. Since you believe "the gov't" is some satanic group of terrorists please do all of us a favor:

Grow a huge beard, change your name to Mohammed, put on a turban, put on a robe, and go to the FBI or CIA headquarters, or try to setup a meeting with top government officials at the white house. When they ask you what the meeting is pertaining to tell them you have a plan to create 9/11 part 2. Just don't cry when you are handcuffed and sentenced to life in prison for plotting acts of terrorism.

Seriously, if it were so easy for the terrorists to get US officials on board with the attack then see if you can get a few top US officials on board. :rofl: Good luck to you!

[Heracles 417]

GodSpeed is the new Joe of VJ. He'll post his ####### for a few months and move on once he realizes no-one buys his rubbish.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Heracles

[JohnSmith2007 353]

October 29, 2004, 5:10pm EDT

BIN LADEN ADMITS 9/11 RESPONSIBILITY, WARNS OF MORE ATTACKS

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

NewsHour Links

It was the first footage of bin Laden to appear in more than a year and came just days before voters head to the polls Tuesday after an extremely tight president race.

In the 18-minute tape, bin Laden, who appeared to be sitting or standing at a table against a neutral background, said: "Despite entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened."

Bin Laden said he thought of the method of attacking U.S. skyscrapers when he saw Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982.

"We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."

Although there was no way to authenticate the tape or say when it was made, it referenced the upcoming presidential election.

"Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, according to the Associated Press.

"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster. I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security.

"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.

"We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security, we undermine yours."

An editor at Al-Jazeera said the network received the tape Friday but did not say how, Reuters reported.

In September 2003, Al-Jazeera aired a tape of bin Laden with his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri in which he mentions five Sept. 11 hijackers by name.

An audiotape, which CIA analysts said was likely bin Laden, surfaced in April and called for a truce with European nations if they pulled troops out of Muslim countries.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html

[godspeed 41]

Purposeless idiots.

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Alright, how about some intelligent people here.

Can anyone produce a single shread of evidence to proove that Al Qaeda was behind 9-11?

[godspeed 41]

October 29, 2004, 5:10pm EDT

BIN LADEN ADMITS 9/11 RESPONSIBILITY, WARNS OF MORE ATTACKS

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

NewsHour Links

It was the first footage of bin Laden to appear in more than a year and came just days before voters head to the polls Tuesday after an extremely tight president race.

In the 18-minute tape, bin Laden, who appeared to be sitting or standing at a table against a neutral background, said: "Despite entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened."

Bin Laden said he thought of the method of attacking U.S. skyscrapers when he saw Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982.

"We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."

Although there was no way to authenticate the tape or say when it was made, it referenced the upcoming presidential election.

"Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, according to the Associated Press.

"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster. I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security.

"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.

"We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security, we undermine yours."

An editor at Al-Jazeera said the network received the tape Friday but did not say how, Reuters reported.

In September 2003, Al-Jazeera aired a tape of bin Laden with his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri in which he mentions five Sept. 11 hijackers by name.

An audiotape, which CIA analysts said was likely bin Laden, surfaced in April and called for a truce with European nations if they pulled troops out of Muslim countries.

http://www.pbs.org/n...n_10-29-04.html

Thank god, you've restored my hope in humanity 8)

The problem I have with this account is that it could very well be a CIA fabrication. When you study the evidence of intelligence ties to the hijackers you realize that this is possible.

For example, many of the hijackers were trained on government bases.

Many were unqualified to recieve visas yet the government helped them come into this country.

The list goes on and on.

Our government did create Al Qaeda, so there's no denying that militant forces exist in that region. Osama bin Laden was a longtime CIA asset.

The question is whether or not the US government at some level was behind the terror plot.

There's alot of evidence to suggest this and an aparent motive (to bring the US to war in the middle east to help Israel and secure resources).

The WMD's were obviously a lie, just how far would our own government go to bring us to war?

Cheney is on record hosting a discussion about painting US special forces ships as Iranian and having them attack US ships in order to start a war...

Edited November 7, 2010 by godspeed

[Heracles 417]

Godspeed, I'd like to know more about you oh wise one, like where you live in the US and what you do; particularly your level of education.

[Danno 1,228]

Purposeless idiots.

You failed to address my post that addressed your topic without insult.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Thank god, you've restored my hope in humanity 8)

The problem I have with this account is that it could very well be a CIA fabrication. When you study the evidence of intelligence ties to the hijackers you realize that this is possible.

For example, many of the hijackers were trained on government bases.

Many were unqualified to recieve visas yet the government helped them come into this country.

The list goes on and on.

Our government did create Al Qaeda, so there's no denying that militant forces exist in that region. Osama bin Laden was a longtime CIA asset.

The question is whether or not the US government at some level was behind the terror plot.

There's alot of evidence to suggest this and an aparent motive (to bring the US to war in the middle east to help Israel and secure resources).

The WMD's were obviously a lie, just how far would our own government go to bring us to war?

Cheney is on record hosting a discussion about painting US special forces ships as Iranian and having them attack US ships in order to start a war...

Nothing like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory nut. Ok, Bush did it. The government planned the whole thing.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Ok, Bush did it. The government planned the whole thing.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Son of a Bush! This thread is lame....

[웃 910]

I ran into former President Bush last night and we are planning a new and more deadly terrorist attack. We are flying to Yemen tomorrow to meet with some top Al-Qaeda officials. I am nervous but they are good friends with President Bush and I trust that we will come up with a very evil plan.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Lord Infamous

[scandal 951]

I ran into former President Bush last night and we are planning a new and more deadly terrorist attack. We are flying to Yemen tomorrow to meet with some top Al-Qaeda officials. I am nervous but they are good friends with President Bush and I trust that we will come up with a very evil plan.

Careful... the NSA monitors Internet traffic like this, and you're going to show up on their alert sensors....

[SuperDuper! 230]

I'm thinking it might be Eric trying to stir things up a little.

It's because he is bored and has nothing else to do.