Problem registering US marriage cert. in country of residency

[mrs.T 1]

Married is married. If there's no problem changing the name in your passport then there's no problem, period.

Yes, puchbrk, there's a problem, in fact there's more than just one!I have to declare the marriage at some point regardless.For that I need to make them accept the certificate that I have in order to give me a romanian certificate so I can FINALLY change my name I do want to have all my documents on one name.

I do want to have my husband name, period!

[juliava 80]

*Juliava,

"If you have changed your name already, and you want your passport to have your married name - yes, you have to go through that mess and declare your marriage in Romania.

Other than that, YES, you CAN be married in US and NOT in Romania, I don't quite see the disadvantages and the implications. You are STILL married. "

I AM TRYING TO CHANGE IT!Can't just change that by myself, I am a romanian citizen so only the romanian authoryties can do that!In order to do so, you first need to register, than based on a romanian document/marriage certificate you can have your name changed, the spouse can be romanian,german or chinese for that matter, it's still the same thing!

I think that both diplomatic parties should reach an agreement to make this easier for mixed marriages to file their paperwork!! That's all!

And just so you know,to declare/register your marital status it's not an option, it's mandatory within 6 months!And weather or not you want to change your name you still need the original marriage certificate! Any chages have to be registered, changes in name, marital status etc. So there are a few implications!

I am just curious, when you filed for the CR1 what name did you use? Which name will be on your resident card? Maiden or your husband's?

I didn't file for CR-1. I got married in US and I applied for AOS from here to obtain my Green Card. I still have my maiden name as I chose to change it at a better and more efficient time, just to avoid the whole circus that a lot of Romanians are going thru when they try to change their name in their passports.

You keep saying "you HAVE to register your marriage within 6 months, you HAVE to register any changes in your name" and such, but you are not giving me a reason. WHY all these when actually you are about to move and live in US?

My friends just declared their marriage in Romania, 4 years AFTER they got married in US and nothing happened, they didn't face any kind of penalty so obviously nobody cared. And they didn't need the original marriage certificate, everything went smoothly. Perhaps offices in bigger cities operate differently?

[mrs.T 1]

I didn't file for CR-1. I got married in US and I applied for AOS from here to obtain my Green Card. I still have my maiden name as I chose to change it at a better and more efficient time, just to avoid the whole circus that a lot of Romanians are going thru when they try to change their name in their passports.

You keep saying "you HAVE to register your marriage within 6 months, you HAVE to register any changes in your name" and such, but you are not giving me a reason. WHY all these when actually you are about to move and live in US?

My friends just declared their marriage in Romania, 4 years AFTER they got married in US and nothing happened, they didn't face any kind of penalty so obviously nobody cared. And they didn't need the original marriage certificate, everything went smoothly. Perhaps offices in bigger cities operate differently?

Ok, one at a time:

1- either you do it now or in the next 50years you'll most likely have to go though the same "routine" like me and the other romanians wheather you like it or not! You'll still need the same documents (marriage certificate IN ORIGINAL!!!)as they require ,unless something in the law changes, or the authorities will do something something about it!If you don't come to Romania for 10yrs. that doesn't mean that you don't have to declare that your marital status has changed or you do not reside in Romania! Very simple, if you're in US already you must do that though our consulate, it's called Romanian Embassy!

2-You don't know much about your own country's laws, do you?? Here's "WHY"

*The following quote it's from the Romanian civil office official site in Bucharest:

"Transcrierea certificatelor de stare civilă întocmite în străinătate

Actele de stare civilă ale cetăţenilor români, întocmite în străinătate, la autorităţile locale competente, se transcriu, obligatoriu, în registrele de stare civilă române, în termen de 6 luni de la întoarcerea în ţară sau de la primirea din străinătate, a certificatului ori extrasului de stare civilă.

Cetăţenii români cu domiciliul în străinătate pot cere transcrierea, direct sau prin împuternicit cu o procură specială autentificată în ţară de un notar public, iar în străinătate, de oficiul consular român din statul de reşedinţă sau la notar cu apostilă conform Convenţiei de la Haga .

Cererea de transcriere, se adresează primăriei localităţii în raza căreia îşi are domiciliul solicitantul, însoţită de următoarele acte:

·certificatul extrasul în original.....etc"

Very simple!The fact that you don't know the law that doesn't mean it doesn't exist!! The fact that people (like you & friends)don't follow it doesn's mean that's the way it should be done, and pls. DO NOT advise people,DO NOT misslead if you don't know what you're talking about!

More over, you CAN NOT have 2 domicile, 2 marital status in 2 places at the same time!! YOU ARE STILL A ROMANIAN CITIZEN wherever you live/reside. You should know that a romanian citizen residing outside Romania it's called "citizen with the domicile abroad" you'll have that written in your passport, once you do that you'll have to give your romanian ID to the authorities!Anything short than that it's called ILLEGAL!!!

Does any of that makes any sence to you???....

*I appologize to the non romanian speaking users, for the quote that I posted in my language,it was pretty much self explanatory, it was saying the same things I said, I was too lazy to translate it and by the way, do you guys have to declare your marriage to a citizen and the fact that you no longer reside in your home country to the authorities?

[mrs.T 1]

It was the same with a friend from Bosnia - she could never (so far) register her marriage in Bosnia - they kept asking for the original and the person who apostilled the paper had to be the same one who signed the certificate which is impossible. I believe she ended up not doing anything with Bosnian authorities or consulate.

That is exactly what my consulate in US said that it should be on the paper! Impossible indeed!

[juliava 80]

Ok, one at a time:

1- either you do it now or in the next 50years you'll most likely have to go though the same "routine" like me and the other romanians wheather you like it or not! You'll still need the same documents (marriage certificate IN ORIGINAL!!!)as they require ,unless something in the law changes, or the authorities will do something something about it!If you don't come to Romania for 10yrs. that doesn't mean that you don't have to declare that your marital status has changed or you do not reside in Romania! Very simple, if you're in US already you must do that though our consulate, it's called Romanian Embassy!

2-You don't know much about your own country's laws, do you?? Here's "WHY"

*The following quote it's from the Romanian civil office official site in Bucharest:

"Transcrierea certificatelor de stare civilă întocmite în străinătate

Actele de stare civilă ale cetăţenilor români, întocmite în străinătate, la autorităţile locale competente, se transcriu, obligatoriu, în registrele de stare civilă române, în termen de 6 luni de la întoarcerea în ţară sau de la primirea din străinătate, a certificatului ori extrasului de stare civilă.

Cetăţenii români cu domiciliul în străinătate pot cere transcrierea, direct sau prin împuternicit cu o procură specială autentificată în ţară de un notar public, iar în străinătate, de oficiul consular român din statul de reşedinţă sau la notar cu apostilă conform Convenţiei de la Haga .

Cererea de transcriere, se adresează primăriei localităţii în raza căreia îşi are domiciliul solicitantul, însoţită de următoarele acte:

·certificatul extrasul în original.....etc"

Very simple!The fact that you don't know the law that doesn't mean it doesn't exist!! The fact that people (like you & friends)don't follow it doesn's mean that's the way it should be done, and pls. DO NOT advise people,DO NOT misslead if you don't know what you're talking about!

More over, you CAN NOT have 2 domicile, 2 marital status in 2 places at the same time!! YOU ARE STILL A ROMANIAN CITIZEN wherever you live/reside. You should know that a romanian citizen residing outside Romania it's called "citizen with the domicile abroad" you'll have that written in your passport, once you do that you'll have to give your romanian ID to the authorities!Anything short than that it's called ILLEGAL!!!

Does any of that makes any sence to you???....

*I appologize to the non romanian speaking users, for the quote that I posted in my language,it was pretty much self explanatory, it was saying the same things I said, I was too lazy to translate it and by the way, do you guys have to declare your marriage to a citizen and the fact that you no longer reside in your home country to the authorities?

I didn't say you don't have to do anything as a ROMANIAN CITIZEN. I asked what happens if you don't do it, so let's not read between the lines.

You don't realize a lot of ROMANIAN people become here US CITIZENS and at some point you will not be able to obtain an ID (buletin) in Romania as you reside abroad and you became a citizen of a different country, do you?Without an ID (buletin), a Romanian passport would NOT be available for you in several years. Think about these things before you even make any more comments/assumptions in that regards.

Obviously my answer will still be NO, I will not be obligated to declare anything in Romania, not even in 50 years. Romania will not need me as an American citizen and will not do anything for me.

Edited November 7, 2010 by juliava

[mrs.T 1]

You don't realize a lot of ROMANIAN people become here US CITIZENS and at some point you will not be able to obtain an ID (buletin) in Romania as you reside abroad and you became a citizen of a different country, do you?Without an ID (buletin), a Romanian passport would NOT be available for you in several years. Think about these things before you even make any more comments/assumptions in that regards.

You're really, really have no idea what you're talking about!!

Before you let the 50 years pass(or 4 years like your friends), just know that after your 2years of contitional GC, you will be permanent resident and than you can apply for citizenship!!This will take years,ok?Now, in the mean time,when you PERMANENTLY live in a contry(other than Romania) you no longer need the romanian ID!AGAIN, you simply can NOT be residing PERMANENTLY in 2 places at the same time!

Ok, simple question:

What happends if your ID(CI) will expire at some point(in this 50 years or before you become USC)....hmm?!You need to prove that you actually reside in Romania,RIGHT? I will answer that before you panic! To get a new passport while living abroad you only need the birth cetificate that has the romanian version of SSN (CNP)on it!YES,it's that simple!YOU DO NOT NEED THE ID (CI) WHILE YOU ARE LIVING IN USA AS A PERMANENT RESIDENT(OR CITIZEN)!! Weather you like it or not you will have to have that written in your passport. Go now, fast to pg.no#2 in your passport and you will find the domicile info written in there.

here, read this also(official site):

"Potrivit legii, orice persoană are un singur domiciliu (de identitte) şi poate avea mai multe reşedinţe. Cartea de identitate este documentul care certifică domiciliul unei persoane în România şi cetăţenia română, fiind un documet de călătorie valabil în comunitatea europeană (înlocuieşte paşaportul în UE).

În condiţiile în care persoana îşi stabileşte domiciliul în străinătate, (care este înscris în paşaport la pagina 3), cartea de identitate nu se mai eliberează, persoana neputând avea două domicilii de identitate.

Pentru atestarea domiciliului se eliberează paşapoartele de cetăţeni români cu domiciliul în străinătate, în care autorităţile române înscriu menţiunea de domiciliu în ţara respectivă.

La obţinerea paşaportului, persoanele care au deţinut buletin de identitate au obligaţia de a preda acest document ambasadei sau consulatului la care au obţinut paşaportul.

În ce condiţii poate fi obţinut din nou buletinul de identitate?

Dacă un cetăţean român şi-a stabilit domiciliul în străinătate şi a obţinut un paşaport care are înscrisă menţiunea acestui domiciliu, înseamnă că în evidenţele autorităţilor române figurează ca cetăţean român stabilit în străinătate, care nu mai are dreptul să deţină buletin (carte) de identitate."

Now, also for your information, when you apply for a passport (romanian citizen with the domicile abroad) there are forms that you need to fill out and guess what...?! here comes the interesting part: you have to state your marital status, so you're back to the same problem registering your marriage -> getting a romanian marriage certificate -> changing the passport!!! LOOOL So, wheather you like it or not, you still have to do it!!LOL

Does that answers your question "...what happends if I don't do it"?

That's how this whole discution started; I want to register now, get the romanian certificate and than, when I will apply for the lifting of the conditions on the GC I will have to change the domicile only!

Who told you that to obtain a new passport takes several years?? It takes a couple of months!

here is another info for you:

http://www.pasapoarte.mai.gov.ro/index8.htm

Romania will not need me as an American citizen and will not do anything for me.

LOOL !!! You're not even a permanent resident yet!

FYI, Romania will still continue to exist with or without you!

[pushbrk 12,883]

Yes, puchbrk, there's a problem, in fact there's more than just one!I have to declare the marriage at some point regardless.For that I need to make them accept the certificate that I have in order to give me a romanian certificate so I can FINALLY change my name I do want to have all my documents on one name.

I do want to have my husband name, period!

Why does it seem like mrs.T is arguing with mrs.T here? If there IS a problem changing the name in the Romanian passport then my comment is moot. I said "if there is no problem...." Why not just do the passport name change AFTER you arrive in the USA? The Romanian authorities at the Romanian Embassy or Consulate in the USA will understand what a certified copy of a marriage certificate is and honor your passport name change request.

[Never_lose_hope 10]

Why does it seem like mrs.T is arguing with mrs.T here? If there IS a problem changing the name in the Romanian passport then my comment is moot. I said "if there is no problem...." Why not just do the passport name change AFTER you arrive in the USA? The Romanian authorities at the Romanian Embassy or Consulate in the USA will understand what a certified copy of a marriage certificate is and honor your passport name change request.

[mrs.T 1]

Why does it seem like mrs.T is arguing with mrs.T here? If there IS a problem changing the name in the Romanian passport then my comment is moot. I said "if there is no problem...." Why not just do the passport name change AFTER you arrive in the USA? The Romanian authorities at the Romanian Embassy or Consulate in the USA will understand what a certified copy of a marriage certificate is and honor your passport name change request.

My posting was far from hypothetical. I said that I want to get a marriage certificate while I am still here waiting for the CR1 to be aproved, with that I can change all the documents!

Having to do that from the US it's all about extra $$ and extra time!

[juliava 80]

Mrs T - you need to improve your reading skills, as it seems you have a lot of trouble understanding what other people have to say. Also, your attitude doesn't help you either.

I did not declare myself A US citizen, nor a Permanent Resident, even though you can tell from my timeline what kind of status I have in US. However, I mentioned the US Citizenship as an alternative route to have your name changed on all your personal documents. But when you think inside the box and you are too busy snapping on people, it's hard to even understand that, isn't it?

I just had my passport changed 1 year ago and all went fast; it takes several years to need a new one, not to order one; however, I would recommend you to read twice what I had posted above. English is not your primary language and we all understand that.

However, good luck changing your name and working with a system that has laws but doesn't provide you the tools to follow them. Also, when you see that you are stuck into something like that, try to work with what you currently have or consider other options.

That's what everybody tried to tell you here but you keep repeating something that we already know is NOT working. Time to take off the horse's glasses.

Mrs T - you need to improve your reading skills, as it seems you have a lot of trouble understanding what other people have to say. Also, your attitude doesn't help you either.

I did not declare myself A US citizen, nor a Permanent Resident, even though you can tell from my timeline what kind of status I have in US. However, I mentioned the US Citizenship as an alternative route to have your name changed on all your personal documents. But when you think inside the box and you are too busy snapping on people, it's hard to even understand that, isn't it?

I just had my passport changed 1 year ago and all went fast; it takes several years to need a new one, not to order one; however, I would recommend you to read twice what I had posted above. English is not your primary language and we all understand that.

However, good luck changing your name and working with a system that has laws but doesn't provide you the tools to follow them. Also, when you see that you are stuck into something like that, try to work with what you currently have or consider other options.

That's what everybody tried to tell you here but you keep repeating something that we already know is NOT working. Time to take off the horse's glasses.

[pushbrk 12,883]

My posting was far from hypothetical. I said that I want to get a marriage certificate while I am still here waiting for the CR1 to be aproved, with that I can change all the documents!

Having to do that from the US it's all about extra $$ and extra time!

I never thought your post was hypothetical. I understand what you want. I also understand that with the US immigration process and dealing with government agencies, we often are unable to accomplish some of our wants. If indeed the Romanian government agency requires an actual "original" marriage certificate for a marriage that took place in the USA, you are not going to be able to meet that requirement. So, you are left with considering the alternatives.

[mrs.T 1]

I never thought your post was hypothetical. I understand what you want. I also understand that with the US immigration process and dealing with government agencies, we often are unable to accomplish some of our wants. If indeed the Romanian government agency requires an actual "original" marriage certificate for a marriage that took place in the USA, you are not going to be able to meet that requirement. So, you are left with considering the alternatives.

I completly agree with you on that! I'll have to do all that though the consulate in the us!Infact that's definitely my only option left!

I just want to consider it as a plan B because I am still not done here and I will be here for a few more months. I still have to contact the city hall in Bucharest, Romania try to speak with a supervisor and explain the situation. I find it very hard to believe that I am the only one in this situation in whole of Romania!I still have to call the US embassy here and try to get help/suggestions from them!

I just thought that from my posting somebody else can benefit also, should they find themselves in my situation!I will post the updates

[pianojangee 0]

I got married in Michigan and obtained 3 Certified Marriage Certificate from the Court of Clerk that has juridiction over our marriage. It cost me 11 or 12 dollars per certificate. I applied in person and the court mailed all 3 within a week. Perhaps you can check with court website. I found one in VA. Good luck.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/rim/servicedetail.asp?orgrsn=59&orgname=VIRGINIA+DEPARTMENT+OF+HEALTH&svcname=MARRIAGE%2FDIVORCE+CERTIFICATES&svcrsn=2626&locrsn=200

[mrs.T 1]

I got married in Michigan and obtained 3 Certified Marriage Certificate from the Court of Clerk that has juridiction over our marriage. It cost me 11 or 12 dollars per certificate. I applied in person and the court mailed all 3 within a week. Perhaps you can check with court website. I found one in VA. Good luck.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/rim/servicedetail.asp?orgrsn=59&orgname=VIRGINIA+DEPARTMENT+OF+HEALTH&svcname=MARRIAGE%2FDIVORCE+CERTIFICATES&svcrsn=2626&locrsn=200

Thank you!! I was planning to talk to the us county court next week!

[mrs.T 1]

Mrs T - you need to improve your reading skills, as it seems you have a lot of trouble understanding what other people have to say. Also, your attitude doesn't help you either.

I did not declare myself A US citizen, nor a Permanent Resident, even though you can tell from my timeline what kind of status I have in US. However, I mentioned the US Citizenship as an alternative route to have your name changed on all your personal documents. But when you think inside the box and you are too busy snapping on people, it's hard to even understand that, isn't it?

I just had my passport changed 1 year ago and all went fast; it takes several years to need a new one, not to order one; however, I would recommend you to read twice what I had posted above. English is not your primary language and we all understand that.

However, good luck changing your name and working with a system that has laws but doesn't provide you the tools to follow them. Also, when you see that you are stuck into something like that, try to work with what you currently have or consider other options.

That's what everybody tried to tell you here but you keep repeating something that we already know is NOT working. Time to take off the horse's glasses.

You’re not an example by any means. And as far as your solution goes, it’s definitely not an option. Get that through your head!

it takes several years to need a new one, not to order one; however, I would recommend you to read twice what I had posted above. English is not your primary language and we all understand that.

Really??!! Is that so? Let me refresh your memory, this is what you wrote in your rightfully so, not very good English:

Without an ID (buletin), a Romanian passport would NOT be available for you in several years.

Obviously my answer will still be NO, I will not be obligated to declare anything in Romania, not even in 50 years. Romania will not need me as an American citizen and will not do anything for me.

I also recommend you to go back to school to learn proper English!

You clearly don’t want to do anything until you became a us citizen! That’s a +5 years procedure! Did it ever occur to you that when you’ll apply for that maybe the uscis would not like the fact that you still have your place of residence in Romania in your passport?

For the last time: permanent residents must have US address on their passports, once that happens you have to give the ID (CI) back to Romanian authority!

I suggest you to read what you wrote before as well as what I have posted before, again and again until you’ll get it! I even sent links in Romanian but you have a hard time understanding that also!

Time to take off the horse's glasses.

Do horses walk around with glasses where you're at, or is it the lastest fashion?!LOL The horses wear blinds or blinders/blinkers!

My English is not good enough for you,ey..?! you have got to be joking!!You should be evaluating yourself first, before judging others!

Personally, I prefer: wake up & smell the coffee!