Rudy Takes on 'THE VIEW" about Palin.

[The_Dude 1,142]

R&M, how old are you, like 15?

I feel "comfortable" with Obama as president.

If you have something meaningful post the feel free but your posting is becoming tiresome.

You hate Palin, others don't... get over it.

LOL, you ask for someone to post something meaningful oh Captain Red Herring? You really should look up hypocrite as well as sarcasm in the dictionary Danno, you don't seem to understand either one. I don't hate Palin, she does scare me though. We don't need another sub 75 IQ president....

[Danno 1,228]

LOL, you ask for someone to post something meaningful oh Captain Red Herring? You really should look up hypocrite as well as sarcasm in the dictionary Danno, you don't seem to understand either one. I don't hate Palin, she does scare me though. We don't need another sub 75 IQ president....

It's called Palin-phobia, sorry, no known treatment.

[The_Dude 1,142]

It's called Palin-phobia, sorry, no known treatment.

At least it's not unfounded, or hypochondria.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

She's a mental midget, there will be no shortage of ammo against her. You won't see Gingrich run in 2012, he has too many skeletons in his closet. He will intimate that he wants to run, but when it comes down to it, he won't.

So by your logic, a guy who worked at McDonalds for 12 years is qualified to be the CEO?

Here's a name that scares the living sh!t out of most democrats....... Mitch Daniels. If the republicans run him, they will win the presidency. If he runs, I will vote for him, hell, I'd probably help campaign in my area for him. But as it is, the biggest imbeciles in the GOP are the front runners to run. I am encouraged by recent polling data about Palin. It seems that a lot of people like her because she pisses off progressives, but dont' take her seriously.

I'd say that's by your logic not mine. I know who Mitch Daniels is. I live in one of the most conservative states in the union. It's hard not to know. I also know that he's already shot down the speculation about running for a higher office as he's happy where he is.

I think the reason we're seeing a lot of Palin and as you say "the biggest imbeciles" is because that's where the US is at. People want to be entertained. They want convenience and change to go fast. Evidence of which showed in the recent election. It wasn't about the bigger picture and what is best for America or what is best as the leader of the free world for the global society that we're truly living in. It was about the immaturity of our society as a whole and about the hype of politics.

What we saw it really come down to is the Grandparents vote versus their Grandchildren's vote. It wasn't minorities or tea partiers or any of us in the middle that made any difference. The largest turn out for the GOP was the 55+ vote just as the largest turn out for the 2008 election was the 30 and under vote. The 30 and under vote stayed home this election and were the lowest voter turn out. It's a generation gap between the ideologies of our past with the way things have always been run and between the ideologies of the millennial generation (generation next, net generation, generation y, echo boomers) and the way of the future of this nation and world.

Obama had the hope of the youth of this nation. A vision of multiculturalism and working together in partnership with a very interconnected global society. Norway recognized this even if it was premature. Change takes time and democracy is a slow moving beast. The older generation perhaps wasn't ready for the shift and shock of turning over the control to the future generation and also with getting a swift kick in the rear end that their time was done. And the backlash from the older generation ideologies I am sure was what put off this time the younger generation who came out in 2008 when they felt that it was their time to do something. The partisan politics made enough of them apathetic. Only 42% of those that could vote in this nation came out and voted when they predicted that 63% would come out and vote. In my state it was 60% for who came out and voted that could.

So the message I get for the last election is that the older generation says their time isn't up yet they're still here kicking and yelling. While the younger generation who is characterized as having the tendency to want to get along and make peace says alright we'll back off for a little while longer and allow some balance to the situation if you're so upset. Hopefully the spirit of politics will be about balance and partnership instead of about competitiveness and beating the other guy just to beat them. Which is what it has been up until now. Nothing changed in the Republican party line and there isn't really a unifying agenda even up until now. They completed what they set out to do which was take back some control but now they have some control and from what I can tell they're all scratching their heads wondering what to do next and how this is going to work out.

Sarah Palin seems more of an entertainer than a politician to me. If she runs she'll certainly using her entertaining talents but I also bet she's keeping up in politics and being briefed to increase her intellectual prowess as she hasn't left the political arena since her resignation. Politicians are smart going where the eyeballs are watching such as Obama on Comedy Central. A reality show for her would produce more eyeballs and the hype of politics have become a form of entertainment. I didn't work in the professional news business before this last election but I can't believe how hectic the local station was and to think that this was happening at news stations across the US in November which is a sweeps month. It became a race to see which channel could get which candidate first and live on TV because that means viewers would switch to that channel and viewers eyeballs are what makes us money with advertisers.

Media consumption is quick these days much like our meals. No one wants to peel, chop, slice, dice and cook their meal and then sit down with their family to eat at the table over conversation about how their days went anymore. They want it processed, quick, convenient and in their bellies or this case for their eyes for pleasurable consumption. It doesn't mean it's good for them just because it tastes good, looks good, is something that feeds something for them. It doesn't mean it's whole natural foods, unprocessed, like our forefathers in all their rawness. Times have changed. We have an obesity epidemic like we have a technological/media consumption addiction. Who we're putting out there in front of us as the face to represent us is being voted with by our eyeballs and the junk we feed or minds just like the mindless junk we feed our bodies.

I didn't like that I had to vote for Obama in the end over Hillary who I thought was the better candidate for my party. I didn't like that my female black peers voted for the black candidate and candidly told me it was because he was black and that it meant something more than voting for their own gender. It reflected in myself that maybe I was only voting for my own gender than the most qualified candidate. I was certainly inclined to take a harder look at McCain when he choose a female VP. Then I saw she and I didn't agree on things. It didn't make her bad it just didn't make her my vote. McCain and Obama controversial history wise to me were comparable. Biden was almost neutral to me like an after thought. If Palin went for the leadership and chose a running mate I'd suspect she'd pick someone like Biden to back her up like Obama did. If Obama ran again, which I think he will, I don't know if he will go with Biden again. I don't think it would hurt him though. It will be interesting still to see what happens these next two years. It seems like they've never stopped campaigning though.

Edited November 4, 2010 by Cleocatra

[The_Dude 1,142]

I'd say that's by your logic not mine. I know who Mitch Daniels is. I live in one of the most conservative states in the union. It's hard not to know. I also know that he's already shot down the speculation about running for a higher office as he's happy where he is.

I think the reason we're seeing a lot of Palin and as you say "the biggest imbeciles" is because that's where the US is at. People want to be entertained. They want convenience and change to go fast. Evidence of which showed in the recent election. It wasn't about the bigger picture and what is best for America or what is best as the leader of the free world for the global society that we're truly living in. It was about the immaturity of our society as a whole and about the hype of politics......

Ahhhh wall o' text.

No, i'm applying your logic. You said that she was the mayor of a city, and a commissioner of sorts for an oil and gas commission and the governor of alaska (for under 18 months). That is like promoting the guy running the cash register at McDonalds to corporate CEO.

I do see your point about her entertainment value. She irritates the left, and the right find her entertaining. But nobody has bothered to tell her. Meanwhile, she thinks that people are listening to her and laughing with her, not mocking. She is what is wrong with far too many people in the U.S., uninformed, and unaware. I guess the good news is that polling data shows that most people who identified themselves as tea party supporters have a negative view of her and don't think she's qualified. I just think someone ought to tell her.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Ahhhh wall o' text.

No, i'm applying your logic. You said that she was the mayor of a city, and a commissioner of sorts for an oil and gas commission and the governor of alaska (for under 18 months). That is like promoting the guy running the cash register at McDonalds to corporate CEO.

I do see your point about her entertainment value. She irritates the left, and the right find her entertaining. But nobody has bothered to tell her. Meanwhile, she thinks that people are listening to her and laughing with her, not mocking. She is what is wrong with far too many people in the U.S., uninformed, and unaware. I guess the good news is that polling data shows that most people who identified themselves as tea party supporters have a negative view of her and don't think she's qualified. I just think someone ought to tell her.

I still say it's your projected logic and not mine. But enough of that.

About the last point on which we agree.

That's because from what I understand the GOP is divided even among themselves into three parts with this last election. That's why those that have recently come into power are scratching their heads without a unifying platform because they only set out to regain power. Those that originated the tea party movements felt they were taken over and their message corrupted by Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, the media hogs or otherwise known as media powers, which ever way one wants to look at it.

[The_Dude 1,142]

I still say it's your projected logic and not mine. But enough of that.

About the last point on which we agree.

That's because from what I understand the GOP is divided even among themselves into three parts with this last election. That's why those that have recently come into power are scratching their heads without a unifying platform because they only set out to regain power. Those that originated the tea party movements felt they were taken over and their message corrupted by Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, the media hogs or otherwise known as media powers, which ever way one wants to look at it.

The same happened with the democrats. You have the progressives and the moderates. The bluedog tards are now trying to wrest control of the party away from the progressives. I think they should be honest with themselves and start their own party.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

The same happened with the democrats. You have the progressives and the moderates. The bluedog tards are now trying to wrest control of the party away from the progressives. I think they should be honest with themselves and start their own party.

Yep. There is talk of maybe a third party emerging but that remains to be seen. What I don't understand is why they're calling it a third party when there is already the independents and the libretarians which are a third and fourth party consideration. Never a big consideration granted because of the lack of votes that back them like the two bigger parties Republicans and Democrats. So it makes me wonder if this a considerable bigger third party emerging?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Yep. There is talk of maybe a third party emerging but that remains to be seen. What I don't understand is why they're calling it a third party when there is already the independents and the libretarians which are a third and fourth party consideration. Never a big consideration granted because of the lack of votes that back them like the two bigger parties Republicans and Democrats. So it makes me wonder if this a considerable bigger third party emerging?

Independants and Libertarians aren't considered a third or fourth party because they have no real leadership or infrastructure or hierarchy. They may have occasional symposiums or conventions, but there is no real party leadership to either one. I really don't see the tea party becoming it's own party though. They comprise a large percentage of the republican party. The republican leadership will bend over backwards to appease them and try to keep them in the fold.

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What I don't understand is why they're calling it a third party when there is already the independents and the libretarians which are a third and fourth party consideration. Never a big consideration granted because of the lack of votes that back them like the two bigger parties Republicans and Democrats.

I don't get it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Edited November 5, 2010 by Ron Burgundy

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

I don't get it.

Neither do I. I was hoping for an explanation.

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Neither do I. I was hoping for an explanation.

No, I mean I don't get what you're trying to say there.

Hey, I may not be as smart as you but that doesn't mean you get to make fun of me!

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

No, I mean I don't get what you're trying to say there.

Ok, there are two major parties. The Republicans and the Democrats. Identified as ( R ) and ( D ) on the ballots. They are determined as major because of the amount of votes they get and as the established parties since the foundation of the country. Then there are two minor parties that don't identify with the platforms of the two major parties. These are the Independents and the Libertarians. They are more recent and are identified as ( I ) and ( L ) on the ballots. They could be perceived as the 3rd and 4th party but with the votes they bring in they are minor. There isn't much representation from these parties in the various branches of government as it is dominated by the two major parties.

Within the two major parties they have various sections just as we've been discussing. Some of those sections are starting to fracture within the party platform and political philosophy. With the recent election there has been talks of the emergence of a third party. The part that I don't understand is if this is considered the 3rd major party or the 3rd minor party and from what branch is this new party emerging from or is it from parts of both.

That last one is pretty gross.

Edited November 5, 2010 by Cleocatra

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Ok, there are two major parties. The Republicans and the Democrats. Identified as ( R ) and ( D ) on the ballots. They are determined as major because of the amount of votes they get and as the established parties since the foundation of the country.

The Republican Party has been around since the foundation of the country?

Then there are two minor parties that don't identify with the platforms of the two major parties. These are the Independents and the Libertarians. They are more recent and are identified as ( I ) and ( L ) on the ballots.

( I ) is a party?