Why are people here so irrational about the election?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

No what I said is that you are rational on illegal immigration but bastshit crazy regarding everything else. A quintessential libertarian.

You start the innuendo insults a few weeks back, I have just started to play along.

Another great answer.

DEMS ARE LOSING!

[Heracles 417]

Another great answer.

DEMS ARE LOSING!

Did you vote for Obama in 08?

[sly_wolf 199]

Canadians KNOW it isn't free. And they KNOW it really isn't even health care. Any attempt to say otherwise is like Aussies boasting about their country. Examples...

Canadians pay for "health Insurance" on their motor vehicle registration and it goes up every year and they flip out over it. It is outrageous for motorcycles. This is extra insurance they pay for just to cover the cost of medical expenses related to car accidents.

Canadians in Quebec pay a combined GST and PST of 15%. The Provincial tax is assessed on the federal tax. You pay sales tax on a sales tax. When the GST was reduced 3 years ago, Quebec IMMEDIATELY increased their provincial tax by the exact amount the GST was reduced. Provinces pay for health care, not the Federal Government. A pair of shoes at Payless Shoe Source (for example as these stores operate in Quebec and Vermont) will be 25% higher in Quebec due to the VAT than in Vermont. That is the "sticker price". And that is when the $ is at PAR as it roughly is right now. They then pay the 15% on TOP of that. In Vermont the shoes are 25% cheaper AND there is -0- sales tax, so the same shoes end up being 40% less expensive in a store that is 30-45 minutes drive away. Do you think the Quebecois do not notice this? They are Canadian, they are not stupid. Th emall in Plattsburgh NY and Burlington VT are FULL of Quebec license plates every day. Get over it Sly Wolf, Canadians KNOW what it costs and they RUN from it every day.

Our medical clinics are full of cars from Quebec. Sit in the waiting romm at MY doctor's office and you will listen to conversations in French all around you. Hmm. Where could THEY be from? France, perhaps? Ask them. whay are you here, don;t you have FREE healthcare? They laugh. "Yes, of course, bien sur! And I have to wait more than one year for_________________ (choose medical service) so I drive here and receive it today" The hottest job benefit in Montreal is a company that offers private medical insurance!

Seriously, really, think about this...the entire state of Vermont has a population that is 1/4 that of the Island of Montreal yet we have 8 times the locations for MRIs, JUST in Burlington. Why do you suppose that is? We have about the most enormous medical facility I have ever seen in Burlington. Population, 50,000. Huh? The entire county, Chittenden, has a population of 150,000 people and the hospital is designed to serve a community of more than a million! They do 50,000 heart catherizations each year! 50,000! 1000 per WEEK! That is 10% of the population of Vermont every year. Do you really think that 10% of Vermonters have an angiogram...every YEAR? I had an angiogram there, it is like the angiogram factory! I couldn't believe it. Medical staff that is bi-lingual (and I do not mean Spanish) is preferred.

Canadians KNOW their system is horrendously expensive and they try to escape it any way they can. They buy boats in the US and register them and keep them in Marinas here so they never pay Canadian tax on them. Lake Champlain is taken over by the "Quebec Navy" every weekend! They KNOW their medical system is poor in delivering and come here as a "safety valve" that basically keeps their system from total collapse.

Doctors in Montreal usually have offices also in Ottawa. They have maximum limits they can earn, each by the Provinces. Since Ottawa is close and Ontario has a higher limit, they have an office in both and double dip. Unfortunately it means that doctor is in Montreal only two days per week and the Quebecois cannot follw him to his office in Ottawa because then Ontario would be stuck with the bill. They CAN however, go to Vermont or New York. (There is also a huge hospital in Plattsburgh, NY) Doctors in Canada KNOW the system is not free.

Sly wolf will say I am exagerating and let it go at that. Heracles will say he has an article that says other wise but won;t post it, now or ever.

But there it is, some specific answers to your question and the others are free to pick it apart and state exactly where I am wrong or have said something inaccurate.

Again, thank you to our good Canadian neighbors who contribute so much to our economy.

My friends call me "Cash". That will do.

I can tell you most Canadians would never trade their system for the one here in the US. Also the medicare situation varies greatly by province/area as well. Some are very good. We have a trip planned to Florida in April and I am flying out of Montreal. We also flew out of Montreal this summer to vegas. The price/convenience factor is not always there and I have researched it well. I dont think Vermont is tending to the needs of the 8 million people that live in quebec.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Never ask an irrational person a rational question. You will never get any rational answer. I have learned that lesson very well.

Seriously... what a bunch of loons

[Heracles 417]

I can tell you most Canadians would never trade their system for the one here in the US. Also the medicare situation varies greatly by province/area as well. Some are very good. We have a trip planned to Florida in April and I am flying out of Montreal. We also flew out of Montreal this summer to vegas. The price/convenience factor is not always there and I have researched it well. I dont think Vermont is tending to the needs of the 8 million people that live in quebec.

Not one person I know who has used both systems has ever said the US system is better. What they all do mention is the massive difference in cost. Surely one person would say I prefer the US system. It's also a no-brainer as to why not one first world country emulates the US system. If you are the best at something, people will want to copy you - learn. Therefore, what does every other first-world country doing the exact opposite tell us?

I also have a personal experience, two family members I know are fighting cancer. The one in AUS has paid zero in co-pays or any cost so far. The family member here is up to $2K in co-pays. Ironically, the family member in AUS was admitted into surgery quicker than the family member here and also stayed in the hospital post surgery for a longer duration.

Edited November 2, 2010 by Heracles

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Did you vote for Obama in 08?

No. Bob Barr, Libertarian.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I can tell you most Canadians would never trade their system for the one here in the US. Also the medicare situation varies greatly by province/area as well. Some are very good. We have a trip planned to Florida in April and I am flying out of Montreal. We also flew out of Montreal this summer to vegas. The price/convenience factor is not always there and I have researched it well. I dont think Vermont is tending to the needs of the 8 million people that live in quebec.

Try Jet Blue from Burlington.

Thousands and thousands of Canadians trade their system for ours everyday. Hundreds of them are at Fletcher Allen Healthcare and Champlain Valley Physcisians Hospital right now. This moment. Air travel at BTV is up 51% from last year and they are building a new parking garage. Burlington has not grown appreciably but in recent years more and more Canadians have been coming to BTV. Southwest Airlines will soon be operating out of there. That is anticiapted to reduce fares even more.

In Montreal, Mirabelle is a ghost town, if they had tumbleweeds there they would be rolling around the empty runways. Trudeau has been cutting flights. The new Plattsburgh regional (in New York) is handling most of the cargo flights for Montreal.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I can tell you most Canadians would never trade their system for the one here in the US. Also the medicare situation varies greatly by province/area as well. Some are very good. We have a trip planned to Florida in April and I am flying out of Montreal. We also flew out of Montreal this summer to vegas. The price/convenience factor is not always there and I have researched it well. I dont think Vermont is tending to the needs of the 8 million people that live in quebec.

No, but add in New York, New Hampshire and Maine. We do not care for ALL Canadians but we care for enough that the Canadian system does not collapse. we care for enpough that are medical facilities are far better and far larger than they would be for a region with a population under 200,000 people.

Don't take my word for it. Google "Fletcher Allen Healthcare" Check it out. what is a city of 50,000 people doing with a facility like that? Hmmm. Google "Burlington International Airport" and read what it says about serving Canadians. Google "Champlain Valley Physicians Hospital" What are we doing with that Hospital in addition to Fletcher Allen? How could we possibly pay for all that with the tiny population we have here? Then do a google earth check and follow Rte 87 or Rte 89 north and what is there? Montreal!

Hello!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone home?

You make just some broad general statements as usual.

Edited November 2, 2010 by Gary and Alla

[luckytxn 2,264]

No. Bob Barr, Libertarian.

Thought I was the only vote for him.

[Heracles 417]

Don't take my word for it. Google "Fletcher Allen Healthcare" Check it out. what is a city of 50,000 people doing with a facility like that? Hmmm. Google "Burlington International Airport" and read what it says about serving Canadians. Google "Champlain Valley Physicians Hospital" What are we doing with that Hospital in addition to Fletcher Allen? How could we possibly pay for all that with the tiny population we have here? Then do a google earth check and follow Rte 87 or Rte 89 north and what is there? Montreal!

I did, I just see a hospital.

There is FA evidence of the accusation you make... however .... :

Here is a hint: "We took a busload of Vermonters, mostly women, many of them struggling with breast cancer, and we went from St. Albans to Montreal. I will never forget the look on the faces of those women who were struggling for their lives" http://sanders.senate.gov/legislation/issue/?id=2baa9f37-215a-4a78-a63e-a98ecaf7e305

Absolutely contradicts the utter bullcrap you have been spouting about this issue. Perhaps the Canadians just come here for the apparently awesome health care, at 50 times the price, and then head back for their medication too.

Edited November 2, 2010 by Heracles

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I did, I just see a hospital.

There is FA evidence of the accusation you make... however .... :

Here is a hint: "We took a busload of Vermonters, mostly women, many of them struggling with breast cancer, and we went from St. Albans to Montreal. I will never forget the look on the faces of those women who were struggling for their lives" http://sanders.senate.gov/legislation/issue/?id=2baa9f37-215a-4a78-a63e-a98ecaf7e305

Absolutely contradicts the utter bullcrap you have been spouting about this issue. Perhaps the Canadians just come here for the apparently awesome health care, at 50 times the price, and then head back for their medication too.

Why are you here again? To be the one you supposedly love and trash the ground she walks on? Prize catch.

[sly_wolf 199]

I did, I just see a hospital.

There is FA evidence of the accusation you make... however .... :

Here is a hint: "We took a busload of Vermonters, mostly women, many of them struggling with breast cancer, and we went from St. Albans to Montreal. I will never forget the look on the faces of those women who were struggling for their lives" http://sanders.senat...3e-a98ecaf7e305

Absolutely contradicts the utter bullcrap you have been spouting about this issue. Perhaps the Canadians just come here for the apparently awesome health care, at 50 times the price, and then head back for their medication too.

Lol, sounds like Montreal is the best place to live .... best of both worlds ehh .... free health care and then they can also go to Vermont and take advantage of their system. And while they are there they can buy all that cheap stuff made in china and head back home. They are an evil bunch of Canadians ehh

[Pooky 3,784]

Lol, sounds like Montreal is the best place to live .... best of both worlds ehh .... free health care and then they can also go to Vermont and take advantage of their system. And while they are there they can buy all that cheap stuff made in china and head back home. They are an evil bunch of Canadians ehh

But it's not free.

"Burlington International Airport"

You call that an international airport?

[sly_wolf 199]

But it's not free.

Yep, nothing is free. There is a price to pay for everything.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Not one person I know who has used both systems has ever said the US system is better. What they all do mention is the massive difference in cost. Surely one person would say I prefer the US system. It's also a no-brainer as to why not one first world country emulates the US system. If you are the best at something, people will want to copy you - learn. Therefore, what does every other first-world country doing the exact opposite tell us?

I also have a personal experience, two family members I know are fighting cancer. The one in AUS has paid zero in co-pays or any cost so far. The family member here is up to $2K in co-pays. Ironically, the family member in AUS was admitted into surgery quicker than the family member here and also stayed in the hospital post surgery for a longer duration.

Not one person you know has ever said anything positive about the US, have they?