What part of Legal Immigration don't you understand

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Bloggings On Immigration Law And Policy

by Greg Sisind

October 28, 2010

IMMIGRATION HUMOR: WHAT PART OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND

A chart from Reason Magazine that says it all:

http://blogs.ilw.com/.a/6a00d834521fa969e20133f56b9b63970b-pi

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LIBERTARIANS: TIME TO RE-LEGALIZE IMMIGRATION

Real Libertarians (not the faux-Libertarians like some of the Tea Party candidates making a lot of noise) have some pretty good things to say about immigration. Libertarian Party Chair Mark Hinkle released a statement this week saying the best way to end illegal immigration is to re-legalize immigration:

In debate after debate, Democratic and Republican politicians have decried the problem of illegal immigration, called for more border security and employer sanctions, and eagerly searched for evidence that their rivals employed undocumented help. The Obama administration proudly touts the fact that it is deporting more undocumented aliens than George W. Bush, while many of the families they support remain stranded in the United States, and most of whom were guilty of nothing more than the inability to satisfy a nightmarish bureaucracy.

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For most of American history, immigrants streamed into this country, found jobs, and either stayed to build a life or returned to their native country if they couldn't. America was admired by the world and proudly displayed an ode to immigration on the Statue of Liberty, within sight of the major processing center at Ellis Island. We can and should return to that tradition.

"Every significant problem blamed on immigration in this country is either imaginary or caused by government. In Arizona, where illegal immigrants are being blamed for an increase in violent crime, violent crime has actually been declining for a decade, and declining much faster than the national average. Immigrants (both legal and illegal) commit crimes at lower rates than natives. If you're worried about gangs, then end the War on Drugs which funds them, just as it did the gangsters under alcohol prohibition.

"Immigrants are often accused of overloading the welfare system. This is again the fault of a government program. But the idea that welfare is a magnet for immigrants is a myth. In an ingeniously designed study by University of Hawaii Professor Ken Schoolland, patterns of migration within the 50 states, which have no travel restrictions between them, were studied. Schoolland found that were was, in fact, a very strong correlation between welfare and immigration: it was strongly negative. All of the states with the highest levels of government welfare benefits experienced net emigration to other states, and all of the states with the lowest levels of welfare experienced net immigration. Arizona, the current focus of anti-immigrant fears, ranks 46th in welfare benefits.

"Immigrants come here to work. Anyone who works and produces makes others better off. And unemployment and immigration actually are another two factors with a negative correlation. There has only been one decade in American history in which we did not have net immigration: the 1930s. If that is your idea of a great decade, you can have it.

"One unintended side effect of border crackdowns is to increase the number of undocumented aliens who remain because of the difficulty and cost of leaving and returning. Another is to create an 'underground railroad' that makes it easier for terrorists to enter without detection. The overwhelming majority of immigrants would love to come in through the front door. It is our bad immigration policy that has constructed the back door.

"It is time we stopped scapegoating the people who represent what is most admired about America. When the Libertarian Party was formed in 1971, we selected the Statue of Liberty as our symbol. We're the only political party that deserves it."

The Libertarian Party platform includes the following:

"3.4 Free Trade and Migration

"We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property."

[peejay 327]

Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

I can see that the lunatic fringe is alive and kicking in the good ol' USA. Let's see if all the other countries of rest of the world buy into "open borders". Better yet, which ones already have?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

The libertarian party of this year has gone completely irrational and stupid if they really think that free trade and open borders are the answer. The answer is never something that is a complete recipe for disaster in times when you have a population as large as ours, an unemployment rate as large as ours, a lack of actual manufacturing/production jobs, and a value of currency that is as low as ours.

It's not as simple as letting people in and trading freely any more.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

So let's break the bank booting out every 'illegal' regardless of their individual circumstances, burden all citizens with a Gestapo "Show me your papers!" police state, and withdraw into our personal basement bunkers with our guns and freeze dried MRE's...

[peejay 327]

So let's break the bank booting out every 'illegal' regardless of their individual circumstances, burden all citizens with a Gestapo "Show me your papers!" police state, and withdraw into our personal basement bunkers with our guns and freeze dried MRE's...

Are you really that ignorant or is it just an act to bait the thread?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

One would think we'd all be in agreement on a 'legal' immigration board.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Are you really that ignorant or is it just an act to bait the thread?

Really? You have a plan to pull off the impossible? Or are you just baiting?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

One would think we'd all be in agreement on a 'legal' immigration board.

I agree illegal immigration is a problem. I strongly disagree we should drop everything to rid our nation of every illegal. Too invasive, too expensive, and not really even in our selfish best interests.

[Danno 1,228]

I agree illegal immigration is a problem. I strongly disagree we should drop everything to rid our nation of every illegal. Too invasive, too expensive, and not really even in our selfish best interests.

As usual your posting sets up a choice between A and B only

A: forgive and forget that these people came here disregarding our laws and award the citizenship.... because they are nice people.

B: Set up Gestapo and hit squads to rid the land of anyone who does not have papers at any point of inquiry.

Sorry dude, most people realize there are a lot of areas between A&B in which we can operate.

[alienlovechild 75]

I agree illegal immigration is a problem. I strongly disagree we should drop everything to rid our nation of every illegal. Too invasive, too expensive, and not really even in our selfish best interests.

Didn't happen in my county and we've had 278g for a while. Local law enforcement continues and there's little opposition but most jurisdictions don't know or may want this law.

"Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) was made law in the United States in 1995 as a result of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA). Section 287(g) authorizes the Federal Government to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), provided that the local law enforcement officers receive appropriate training and function under the supervision of sworn U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers. Under 287(g), ICE provides state and local law enforcement with the training and subsequent authorization to identify, process, and when appropriate, detain immigration offenders they encounter during their regular, daily law-enforcement activity.

The March 2010 arrest of undocumented student Jessica Colotl sparked an intense debate around immigration issues, with Colotl's supporters calling for an end to 287(g).[1] Colotl was arrested in Cobb County, Georgia, which has 287(g) legislation, and faces deportation.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_Section_287(g)

[peejay 327]

As usual your posting sets up a choice between A and B only

A: forgive and forget that these people came here disregarding our laws and award the citizenship.... because they are nice people.

B: Set up Gestapo and hit squads to rid the land of anyone who does not have papers at any point of inquiry.

Sorry dude, most people realize there are a lot of areas between A&B in which we can operate.

No sh*t. Isn't it ironic that legal immigrants wait in line for years for numerical quotas set by congress, but this mass blanket illegal alien amnesty that the lunatic fringe demands has no limit and is retroactive to encompass all of them. We have no idea how many illegal aliens there are. Could be 10 million. Could be 30 million. In essence, the illegal alien and their cheerleaders end up setting US immigration policy by stating that "we are here, so you have to accept us." Bullshit!

This is not prudent public policy. Past experience with 7 other past amnesties should have taught us that. Another amnesty is stupidity on steroids for a multitude of reasons too numerous to list in one post.

We do not have to round illegal aliens up en mass. Deprive them of work and social services and watch illegal immigration shrivel to nothing. They will leave the same way they came. In fact...they will leave faster than they came because no one will be impeding their way back HOME. The US Border Patrol isn't there to stop them from leaving. It's there to stop them from entering. And they don't have to pay criminal cartels to smuggle them home or buy fake documents when they get there.

Mandatory E-Verify and mandatory Social Security no-match can turn the tide. It may take several years, but it took decades of malfeasance and corruption within the US government to get us into the disgusting mess we are in now. Another amnesty and "business as usual" is no longer an option anymore. It just puts off the inevitable. And the inevitable has already arrived.

Let's get real instead of living in namby pamby land. There is no better time to get real than now when we have millions unemployed in the worst economic downturn in decades.

It remains to be seen whether the Republiclowns have learned their lesson from their brief loss of power or if they return to their same stupid cheap labor ways after Nov. 2.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

As usual your posting sets up a choice between A and B only

A: forgive and forget that these people came here disregarding our laws and award the citizenship.... because they are nice people.

B: Set up Gestapo and hit squads to rid the land of anyone who does not have papers at any point of inquiry.

Sorry dude, most people realize there are a lot of areas between A&B in which we can operate.

Let's not get your Panties in a wad pretending you aren't an extremist on this issue Danno.

Edited October 31, 2010 by ready4ONE

[Danno 1,228]

Let's not get your Panties in a wad pretending you aren't an extremist on this issue Danno.

Like everyone else, I think my views are modest on the subject.

But my views aside...... there are still more and choice A or choice B.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Like everyone else, I think my views are modest on the subject.

But my views aside...... there are still more and choice A or choice B.

Not according to Peejay...

[peejay 327]

Not according to Peejay...

I can see that reading comprehension still gives you trouble.

Choice A: Mass Blanket Amnesty (namby pamby land)

Middle ground: Attrition Through Enforcement - Voluntary self deportation for the vast majority - No Amnesty (i.e.: What is already present US law.) (Reality land)

Choice B: Mass roundups, internment camps, and forced mass deportation. Gestapo ( LaRaza fantasy land)

Edited October 31, 2010 by peejay