Obama Admin Now Pushing Anti-Bullying Agenda

[Obama 2012 1,714]

For someone who claims to be a near-expert on human behaviour, you sure do talk a lot of cr@p. People that are bullied to the point of suicide DESERVE TO DIE?

Furthermore, I don't agree that kids should "fear" authority. Respect it, yes. But there's no need to put the fear of God into them to get them to behave.

Every child is different. Some require that fear, and some don't. The problem is though, we've gotten too far away from the idea that there is some fear that comes from authority. Parents shouldn't be a friend to their child. That's what other children are for. You don't join that friend roll until they are smart enough to handle things on their own and then you still have to maintain a safe distance where you can be there to give them support and they don't look at you as just another 'friend.'

Society has gotten into the habit of believing that method A works for everyone. So we punish parents who spank their kids, we punish teachers who yell at kids, and every child now needs to be coddled and protected from everything outside of the home. Kids are taught more now to play video games than to go outside? why? Because of this media induced fear that our kids will be raped/abducted if they stay outside too long. And parents wonder why they have a bunch of fat asses now...

Things can be fixed, but you have to change the mentality once again of people and parents.. It's only going to get worse though as time goes by if something is not done soon.

As far as my "deserve to die" comment goes, that's my personal input into things. If you can't cope with this society, then you're only going to bring it down. If you wish to die, then so be it. It's the ultimate form of weakness and deserves no sympathy. Ultimately someone makes the choice to pull the trigger. Blaming other people for your own problems does away with personal responsibility, which as we know in this day and age, has been tossed out the window as well.

[Gemmie 142]

Technically everything people say on here is their personal input, and I don't buy the cop-out line of "that's just my opinion". If you're going to have such an extreme opinion, then I think you should be prepared to back it up with why you think that beyond 'my personal view'.

You seem to have this habit that I've seen many people do, where you try and connect dots that aren't there. It's easy to say that society is weak because it wraps children up in cotton wool, and that leads to more time spent playing video-games, and that leads to obesity. And it's easy to say that society is weak because personal responsibility is gone and that's why people choose to blame others and kill themselves. If you take a closer look, there are so many different aspects that contribute to things (such as both parenting and suicide), that it's impossible to sum it up by saying it's due to a lapse in society. You sound like some 78 year old man sitting on his front porch that has grown out of touch with how things actually happen, and so play the 'blame society' game.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Technically everything people say on here is their personal input, and I don't buy the cop-out line of "that's just my opinion". If you're going to have such an extreme opinion, then I think you should be prepared to back it up with why you think that beyond 'my personal view'.

You seem to have this habit that I've seen many people do, where you try and connect dots that aren't there. It's easy to say that society is weak because it wraps children up in cotton wool, and that leads to more time spent playing video-games, and that leads to obesity. And it's easy to say that society is weak because personal responsibility is gone and that's why people choose to blame others and kill themselves. If you take a closer look, there are so many different aspects that contribute to things (such as both parenting and suicide), that it's impossible to sum it up by saying it's due to a lapse in society. You sound like some 78 year old man sitting on his front porch that has grown out of touch with how things actually happen, and so play the 'blame society' game.

I'll be the first person to tell people, "I feel like some grumpy old man," but it's not that at all. Transitions have been so swift in my short lifetime, that it's crazy. The attitude in parenting, the ideas about the 'real world,' and the over protective nature that seems to be in place now days. It's gotten completely out of control.

The dots are there if you'e been paying attention. Attitude of kids has changed HUGE over the course of the past 20 years. Sure, a lot of kids have always have an attitude, but not like it is now. These kids fear nothing and have no respect for anyone other than themselves. Even then that's questionable. It's all a lack of discipline and a media induced fear by parents that has made things more drastic than they once were. Kids don't even know how to properly interact with their peers now days. Human interaction is treated almost as if it's a sin. Many school districts have banned simple games like "tag" and any other sport that has any type of contact like that... They're being made into big sissy's now days, more so than ever. You have to be completely blind to not see it, or just don't care enough to see the changes that have taken place. None of which are for the better as we can see...

[Heracles 417]

####### laws are they passing in Texas? Teachers and principals spanking kids is a horrible idea. People other than parents spanking kids deserve the as$ kicking they get from the parents. I don't know what is up with Texas, but you can spank your kids here, teachers can and are SUPPOSED to teach kids morals, and they are certainly allowed to yell at kids when it is appropriate.

What you cannot do is beat the living shi!t out of your kids at the supermarket, you can't teach your classroom of 9 year olds moral values that are based on religious point of views.

Which explains the underlying problems with the country. The nuclear family has been attacked for forty years now and the kids are growing up screwed up. It's why you have Columbines, Cho's, the daily violence that plagues so many American towns and cities by teenagers. It's why it's the Grandma or the social worker that appears on TV, claiming his innocence of course, once the teenager has been charged with murder.

How often do these problems occur in strict countries or countries with corporal punishment? That stupid American teenager learned quick-smart about tagging up in Singapore. Ever heard of anyone pulling that off again there? It's a simple notion actually, the consequences outweigh the benefits. Corporal punishment is why convicts were turned into boyscout, often kicking and screaming for their shitty lives. Prison does not work, as it's become a resort for gangstas; the death penalty clearly does not work. It's time to get over the PC BS, and go back to methods that have actually worked, and still deliver quantifiable results [progress] in other countries still using it.

In 30 years I was in AUS, I can count on one hand the number of teenagers charged with murder. Now compare this to the United States record. Coincidentally, for similar reasons, violence amongst teens is worsening there too. It's not really occurring that more frequently, what is getting worse is the callousness of crimes.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Heracles

[Heracles 417]

You seem to have this habit that I've seen many people do, where you try and connect dots that aren't there. It's easy to say that society is weak because it wraps children up in cotton wool, and that leads to more time spent playing video-games, and that leads to obesity. And it's easy to say that society is weak because personal responsibility is gone and that's why people choose to blame others and kill themselves. If you take a closer look, there are so many different aspects that contribute to things (such as both parenting and suicide), that it's impossible to sum it up by saying it's due to a lapse in society. You sound like some 78 year old man sitting on his front porch that has grown out of touch with how things actually happen, and so play the 'blame society' game.

Likewise, it's extremely easy to brush off changes that have occurred over the last few decades that humans have never been exposed to. On this issue, the left is the one who is ignoring reality and doing everything it can to ignore the dots, ignore the results of the linear regression.

The UK is a prime example of these difference, Aussies and Brits are practically Bosom buddies, separated by what 100 years max. Yet look at the differences that have developed between the two countries. Ironically, look at the massive disparity in crime between the two countries. To assume that the attitude, culture, norms, traditions, family structure and socioeconomic of a society plays not part on the formation of a person is just wrong. It also ignores smaller sub-cultures like the Amish.

I've seen people sit here and totally discredit the violence kids are now exposed to on-demand, the desensitizing, essentially claiming this happened all the time and there was the same issues decades ago, which is simply not true. Strange how the aforementioned Amish do not have their kids shooting up, gang banging, etc etc etc.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Let's see...

People who commit suicide are weak and deserve it so ** 'em

Kids are mollycoddled pussies.

What a thoroughly insightful analysis. Not.

What a bunch of ignorant, boneheaded, simplistic garbage.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Let's see...

People who commit suicide are weak and deserve it so ** 'em

Kids are mollycoddled pussies.

What a thoroughly insightful analysis. Not.

What a bunch of ignorant, boneheaded, simplistic garbage.

oh do go on. I mean if you're going to be in denial, you might as well say why instead of the hit-and-run posting.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

oh do go on. I mean if you're going to be in denial, you might as well say why instead of the hit-and-run posting.

Why? Your opinion amounts to "i don't understand bullying or mental health issues, therefore those issues are bullshit"

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Why? Your opinion amounts to "i don't understand bullying or mental health issues, therefore those issues are bullshit"

I understand bullying quite well actually. There's no 'simple' reason to it. There's a few different reasons as to why kids act a certain way. I find it amusing you're trying to attribute it there to 'mental health.'

[The_Dude 1,142]

I understand bullying quite well actually. There's no 'simple' reason to it. There's a few different reasons as to why kids act a certain way. I find it amusing you're trying to attribute it there to 'mental health.'

Paul, you understand bullying from your perspective. Do you understand why gay teens have such a significantly higher rate of suicide?

[Heracles 417]

Paul, you understand bullying from your perspective. Do you understand why gay teens have such a significantly higher rate of suicide?

It's not about just because he was gay, the individuals who were responsible for "Here in Texas, in Cyprus, 13-year-old Asher Brown took his own life after his mother says he was literally bullied to death, picked on for his small size, his religion and for the fact he didn't wear designer clothes" should be charged with manslaughter.

What's happening now is that teenagers have become too big for their boots, essentially above the law, until it comes to things like this. Then they curl up and start crying mommy mommy and the clown ####### parents run to their rescue.

Had I been responsible for the above, going to prison would be a walk in the park versus my old man. Hence why I never did it, as I was taught where the line was and what the consequences where. As were most kids from my generation, who also had parents who migrated to AUS.

Same deal with that utterly pathetic mother who posed as a teen online and harassed her daughters rival, which resulted in her suicide. Since the law does nothing, what I would like to see is the family of such a victim, find the perpetrators and their parents and 'deal with them'.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Heracles

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I understand bullying quite well actually. There's no 'simple' reason to it. There's a few different reasons as to why kids act a certain way. I find it amusing you're trying to attribute it there to 'mental health.'

I think your amusement will probably end when you realise that it arises from bad reading comprehension.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Paul, you understand bullying from your perspective. Do you understand why gay teens have such a significantly higher rate of suicide?

There's a few factors, but a lot of it begins at home. If you don't have loving and caring parents who are there to support you during a difficult situation, then you're screwed in that area. If no one at all supports you, and you have no where to turn, then it can be much more difficult.

There are plenty of gay teens that are bullied each and every day, some more so than others who never commit suicide. Every situation is different. To treat them all the same would be completely dishonest.

It's a fragmented part of society still. Part of 'gay bullying' is part of the fault of the activist sector of the 'gay community' as well. The activist sector is often full of flamboyent people who run around the streets half-naked, dress is weird outfits and then claim to be fighting for their rights. If the activist part of the community were more 'normal' in every day behavior, then we wouldn't have as many problems as we do now. That's not to say society as a whole would be completely accepting, but more people would be if they recognized a homosexual person as their next door neighbor, versus some weirdo who parades around a city at rallies dressed oddly.

Before you say anything, I'm not making 'excuses,' I'm simply saying that there are equal parts to blame for actions and inaction. Gay bullying is only a fraction of the problem. Tons of kids are harassed DAILY because of the types of shoes and clothes they wear. To many that is as much an identity as being gay is. One a child cannot control, just as a gay teen cannot control who he/she is. While in life they end up being different, as a child they are one in the same.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I hate the flamboyant straights -- I think all straight people are given a bad name by those who wear Ed Hardy and do Jagerbombs. I wish I could accept straight people as being just like me, but those "Jersey Shore" f^cktards have spoiled EVERYTHING.

Oh, cr@p -- I'm straight! I'm a self-hating straight!

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I hate the flamboyant straights -- I think all straight people are given a bad name by those who wear Ed Hardy and do Jagerbombs. I wish I could accept straight people as being just like me, but those "Jersey Shore" f^cktards have spoiled EVERYTHING.

Oh, cr@p -- I'm straight! I'm a self-hating straight!

Cute fail sarcasm.

If you read what I said, then I am talking about the activists and those who are the loudest. It's just like the big political activists of any group, they're extreme, so the ideas they represent get lost in the shuffle. I mean look at someone like Anderson Cooper, he'd be great to lead a 'gay rights' rally. He's 'normal' by any and all means. Look at comedians like Wanda Sykes or Ellen Degeneres. Yeah, they're 'gay', but they're 'normal' people. Catch my drift?