Obama Admin Now Pushing Anti-Bullying Agenda

[The_Dude 1,142]

see you are part of the problem... though I know you don't mean to be.

You seem to suggest, that if someone is born a certain way ... it would be pathetic to bully them.

What about kids who are bullied because they do well in school or they have an uncommon religion..... it's ok to bully them?

Why do you and the president make fat kids feel they are partly to blame for being picked on?

I really don't see the point that you're trying to make Danno. Bullying in general is sad, but bullying someone because of a characteristic that they were born with and have no control over is pathetic.

[Danno 1,228]

Actually it's extremely easy to stop, by making in a felony - like assault. Once the first few kids are sent off to juvy, the rest will learn to act normal. Those tho don't, well #### em, let them rot in prison.

Another law that needs to be enacted in western societies, is a cause an effect law. So if I persistently bully, antagonize and harass someone, which result in them cracking, then I should be held accountable for this. If they commit suicide, then would be charge with manslaughter. Once again, after a few idiots are jailed because of this, the message will get around.

Dude your logic is not meshing with reality here.

You seem to thinking of Bullying as in, 5 guys kicking one kids #### after school every day.

While that does happen and would fit your remedy, today bullying can mean nearly anything.

Posting something unkind on a facebook page, addressing the victim by a hurtful name repeatedly.

Prank phone calls to his house or ridiculing him for his clothes, his buck teeth or his fat mom.

Most kids can handle this a few are like fragile dolls which crack under the pressure.

The result is partly the bullies fault and partly the fault of the poor kid whose mental thresh hold to handle this stuff is lower than most normal kids.

It's way more complicated than it might seem and where to draw the line is not so easy.

Clearly if we were talking about physical assault, thats easy but today, simply repeated hurt feelings are now bullying.

[Danno 1,228]

I really don't see the point that you're trying to make Danno. Bullying in general is sad, but bullying someone because of a characteristic that they were born with and have no control over is pathetic.

With thousands of kids killing themselves every year, why take the focus of this message to only a minority of situations.

Seems to me the logical and most effective thing to do is develop a simple message that applies to bullying in general and not just a segment of the victims of bullies.

... Unless of course you are heading into an election and need to gin up your base.

[The_Dude 1,142]

With thousands of kids killing themselves every year, why take the focus of this message to only a minority of situations.

Seems to me the logical and most effective thing to do is develop a simple message that applies to bullying in general and not just a segment of the victims of bullies.

... Unless of course you are heading into an election and need to gin up your base.

Danno, teen suicide isn't as pervasive as you make it out to be. You really should read up on gay teen suicide before you dismiss it as just one of those kids who kill themselves. Gay teens have a 600% higher suicide rate than straight teens. That's not some marginal increase in rate, that is a huge disparity.

[Danno 1,228]

Danno, teen suicide isn't as pervasive as you make it out to be. You really should read up on gay teen suicide before you dismiss it as just one of those kids who kill themselves. Gay teens have a 600% higher suicide rate than straight teens. That's not some marginal increase in rate, that is a huge disparity.

Since you have all these numbers at the tips of your fingers,, whats the increase for gay adults over the rest of the population?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Actually it's extremely easy to stop, by making in a felony - like assault. Once the first few kids are sent off to juvy, the rest will learn to act normal. Those tho don't, well #### em, let them rot in prison.

Another law that needs to be enacted in western societies, is a cause an effect law. So if I persistently bully, antagonize and harass someone, which result in them cracking, then I should be held accountable for this. If they commit suicide, then would be charge with manslaughter. Once again, after a few idiots are jailed because of this, the message will get around.

Yes, because 'criminals' are deterred by our laws today.

and no. I'm not going to punish some child for acting like a child. It's a bit different when a grown adult is bullying someone, than when a child does it.

As far as someone going to the lengths of killing themselves? Well, plainly, they deserved to die anyway. That's weak and it's cowardice. ZERO sympathy.

[Heracles 417]

Yes, because 'criminals' are deterred by our laws today.

and no. I'm not going to punish some child for acting like a child. It's a bit different when a grown adult is bullying someone, than when a child does it.

As far as someone going to the lengths of killing themselves? Well, plainly, they deserved to die anyway. That's weak and it's cowardice. ZERO sympathy.

Paul are like 22 or something?

When I went through school, nobody sat around and recorded another teenager being raped and bashed, then giggled. You either intervened or called the cops. Nobody was harassed and stalked using a range of technological mediums, as kids are now. Heck even the freakin parents are doing it, harassing their teenagers alleged rival. ####### is wrong with people?

This generation of teenagers over here, clearly does not care or fear anybody, let alone the law. The only way you fix that is punishment, like that American kid learned in Singapore after he was caned. We did some crazy ######, but we never interfered with other people's property and always knew where the line was. Teenagers know that if I grab one of them and punch them out, as is often the case in AUS, the parents will come kicking and screaming - My Child My poor child. They wouldn't care that if he vandalized my property or worse, but claim their poor son is the victim - a good boy.

My old man on the other hand, he'd tell the guy good on him, and probably back hand me himself. My old man told all of my teachers he gave them permission to backhand me, if I got out of line. In the litigation Mecca of the world, the often faux and pathetic parents wait for a teacher to snap, so they can sue. I also would never dare tell my parents it was the teachers fault when I got in trouble or scored poorly.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Heracles

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Paul are like 22 or something?

When I went through school, nobody sat around and recorded another teenager being raped and bashed, then giggled. You either intervened or called the cops. Nobody was harassed and stalked using a range of technological mediums, as kids are now. Heck even the freakin parents are doing it, harassing their teenagers alleged rival. ####### is wrong with people?

This generation of teenagers over here, clearly does not care or fear anybody, let alone the law. The only way you fix that is punishment, like that American kid learned in Singapore after he was caned. We did some crazy ######, but we never interfered with other people's property and always knew where the line was. Teenagers know that if I grab one of them and punch them out, as is often the case in AUS, the parents will come kicking and screaming - My Child My poor child. They wouldn't care that if he vandalized my property or worse, but claim their poor son is the victim - a good boy.

My old man on the other hand, he'd tell the guy good on him, and probably back hand me himself. My old man told all of my teachers he gave them permission to backhand me, if I got out of line. In the litigation Mecca of the world, the often faux and pathetic parents wait for a teacher to snap, so they can sue. I also would never dare tell my parents it was the teachers fault when I got in trouble or scored poorly.

22? Ha.... Try again.

Believe me I know.

Guess what's to blame. I'm give you a big clue, it's called liberalism....

First teachers can't spank kids, then principals can't spank kids, then parents can't spank kids, then teachers aren't allowed to teach morals, then teachers aren't allowed to yell at kids......

It's been a winding damn path for years....

[Heracles 417]

22? Ha.... Try again.

Believe me I know.

Guess what's to blame. I'm give you a big clue, it's called liberalism....

First teachers can't spank kids, then principals can't spank kids, then parents can't spank kids, then teachers aren't allowed to teach morals, then teachers aren't allowed to yell at kids......

It's been a winding damn path for years....

28?

You are right on those points though. Even the biggest tough guy teenager would not stand a week in Singapore.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

28?

You are right on those points though. Even the biggest tough guy teenager would not stand a week in Singapore.

close enough and going on 40 though. I've always been that way though. I'm been observing and studying human behavior since I was 10. Always knew everything there was to know about my peers, what their weaknesses and strengths were and what made them tick growing up. I chose my friends carefully as well. I was always the 'older' one of those around me. When I was 15, I might as well have been 25.

It's funny really, I was in the perfect generation to watch the systematic dismantling of the education system and the destruction of authority. When I was in elementary school, principals were still allowed to spank children by either a permanent note in their office, or by simply picking up the phone and letting the parents know/acknowledge.

By the time I reached my senior year in high school, I saw the differences of the younger generation and even my own. I saw the 'friend' parents, the teachers with no voice, the schools with no outlet other than In-school suspension for the day. Hell teachers today can't even raise their voice to a child without a parent screaming down their butt. Without the threat of getting in trouble, etc.

This is one thing I could go on with for a long time, but it's all pointless because it's not going to change anytime soon. Though I did see one ballsy school district who wants to bring back spanking in schools... We shall see. As long as liberalism in up front and center though, it won't happen. Pro-abortion and anti-morality being taught by others. There's a sweet irony there really when you think about it...

[The_Dude 1,142]

22? Ha.... Try again.

Believe me I know.

Guess what's to blame. I'm give you a big clue, it's called liberalism....

First teachers can't spank kids, then principals can't spank kids, then parents can't spank kids, then teachers aren't allowed to teach morals, then teachers aren't allowed to yell at kids......

It's been a winding damn path for years....

####### laws are they passing in Texas? Teachers and principals spanking kids is a horrible idea. People other than parents spanking kids deserve the as$ kicking they get from the parents. I don't know what is up with Texas, but you can spank your kids here, teachers can and are SUPPOSED to teach kids morals, and they are certainly allowed to yell at kids when it is appropriate.

What you cannot do is beat the living shi!t out of your kids at the supermarket, you can't teach your classroom of 9 year olds moral values that are based on religious point of views.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

####### laws are they passing in Texas? Teachers and principals spanking kids is a horrible idea. People other than parents spanking kids deserve the as$ kicking they get from the parents. I don't know what is up with Texas, but you can spank your kids here, teachers can and are SUPPOSED to teach kids morals, and they are certainly allowed to yell at kids when it is appropriate.

What you cannot do is beat the living shi!t out of your kids at the supermarket, you can't teach your classroom of 9 year olds moral values that are based on religious point of views.

Teachers and Principals spanking kids was common practice up until 20 years ago. Kids were also a lot more respectful back then as well. It's called "fear." Children should fear and respect authority. They don't do this anymore. It's gotten damn bad. Parents today hold a lot of the blame. A teacher yells at a kid or singles them out in any way, and the parent is up there that afternoon yelling at the teacher. A lot of times doing it in front of the child.. So now the child has the message, "it's ok for me to do this at school, because mommy will yell at the teacher if she scolds me." - It's gotten way too out of hand.

Growing up in elementary school, principals could still spank you, teachers could still send you to the corner, teachers could tell you right from wrong (not religious based either) and parents let the teachers have that job of 'babysitting' during the day like they're supposed to. The only time your parents got called into the picture is when you were being a really big shithead, or it was effecting your grades....

[The_Dude 1,142]

Teachers and Principals spanking kids was common practice up until 20 years ago. Kids were also a lot more respectful back then as well. It's called "fear." Children should fear and respect authority. They don't do this anymore. It's gotten damn bad. Parents today hold a lot of the blame. A teacher yells at a kid or singles them out in any way, and the parent is up there that afternoon yelling at the teacher. A lot of times doing it in front of the child.. So now the child has the message, "it's ok for me to do this at school, because mommy will yell at the teacher if she scolds me." - It's gotten way too out of hand.

Growing up in elementary school, principals could still spank you, teachers could still send you to the corner, teachers could tell you right from wrong (not religious based either) and parents let the teachers have that job of 'babysitting' during the day like they're supposed to. The only time your parents got called into the picture is when you were being a really big shithead, or it was effecting your grades....

Teachers and principals spanking kids hasn't been common practice since the early 60's. At least in the rest of America. That does however exclude parochial schools. Granted, I was only a teacher for one year, but in my experience, none of that happened. Kids were singled out for poor behavior, lack of effort, poor behavior etc, and nobody complained.

Ultimately, the only people who can spank their kids are the parents. It is abuse for anyone else to do it, and rightly so.

[Gemmie 142]

close enough and going on 40 though. I've always been that way though. I'm been observing and studying human behavior since I was 10. Always knew everything there was to know about my peers, what their weaknesses and strengths were and what made them tick growing up. I chose my friends carefully as well. I was always the 'older' one of those around me. When I was 15, I might as well have been 25.

For someone who claims to be a near-expert on human behaviour, you sure do talk a lot of cr@p. People that are bullied to the point of suicide DESERVE TO DIE?

Furthermore, I don't agree that kids should "fear" authority. Respect it, yes. But there's no need to put the fear of God into them to get them to behave.

[^_^ 5,021]

For someone who claims to be a near-expert on human behaviour...

He also claims to hate people and says he avoids being around them as much as he can. How such a person becomes an expert of their behavior is fascinating.