Not too soon to start

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

So, next week the Dems will have their @sses handed to them and the day after (and year after and maybe even the decade after) the Dems will be making excuses of why they lost. Let's hear them now. Why wait? It isn;t like the excuse is going to change and it doesn't matter if they lose the house by once seat or by 64 seats. I am confident that VJ members will have excuses just as good as Obamas highly paid lap dogs. They will lose, they will make excuses....

List your favorite here.

[lostinblue 1,989]

1)Bush's fault

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The rethuglicans want to kill kids with pre existing conditions and want old people to eat dog food.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Problem is, even if the Republicans win, they lose. Wednesday morning after the election, the lame duck session starts. Obama will willingly sign anything put in front of him before New Years Eve, and veto anything put in front of him after New Years Day. That is, of course, unless the new Congress throws themselves on a few hand grenades first, like raising the debt ceiling early next year.

Edited October 24, 2010 by ##########

[Dan J 277]

Problem is, even if the Republicans win, they lose. Wednesday morning after the election, the lame duck session starts. Obama will willingly sign anything put in front of him before New Years Eve, and veto anything put in front of him after New Years Day. That is, of course, unless the new Congress throws themselves on a few hand grenades first, like raising the debt ceiling early next year.

Assuming that the Republicans take control of congress, which would disappointing of they did not with all the hype behind them. They would then need to try to do what they actually promised.

Cutting taxes is easy to do, but also cutting deficits at the same time without any plans of going after the big 3 is a non-starter. With a strong defense department being part of the party platform, no Republican who values his job is going to want to make any cuts there. With a large percentage of the Republican constituency relying on Medicare and Social Security, significant cuts there would guarantee huge losses in 2012, not to mention Obama would never sign it.

Republicans will gain some seats, which is expected considering historical trends. But in the end, its not really going to matter. Obama has already pushed through the most significant parts of his platform. Republicans will get pretty much nothing through Obama. In the meantime the economy will improve and people will be less angry. In 2012, my prediction is that many of the seats gained by the Republicans will be lost. Unless they can find some way to keep the anger alive for the next two years.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Assuming that the Republicans take control of congress, which would disappointing of they did not with all the hype behind them. They would then need to try to do what they actually promised.

Cutting taxes is easy to do, but also cutting deficits at the same time without any plans of going after the big 3 is a non-starter. With a strong defense department being part of the party platform, no Republican who values his job is going to want to make any cuts there. With a large percentage of the Republican constituency relying on Medicare and Social Security, significant cuts there would guarantee huge losses in 2012, not to mention Obama would never sign it.

Republicans will gain some seats, which is expected considering historical trends. But in the end, its not really going to matter. Obama has already pushed through the most significant parts of his platform. Republicans will get pretty much nothing through Obama. In the meantime the economy will improve and people will be less angry. In 2012, my prediction is that many of the seats gained by the Republicans will be lost. Unless they can find some way to keep the anger alive for the next two years.

It aint HYPE its a fact!

[scandal 951]

It aint HYPE its a fact!

You're very cute, you know? :star:

[Dan J 277]

It aint HYPE its a fact!

Keep telling yourself that, maybe someday Republican Jesus will make it happen.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Keep telling yourself that, maybe someday Socialist Jesus will make it happen.

Fixed her for ya Danny. Sorry it didnt work out fur ya!

Edited October 24, 2010 by Col. Lingus

[peejay 327]

Here is an op-ed from Charles Krauthammer on this very topic:

No surprise that voters rejecting leftist agenda

By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER Oct. 23, 2010, 3:51PM

In an increasingly desperate attempt to develop a narrative for the coming Democratic collapse, the Democrats have indulged themselves in what for half a century they've habitually attributed to the American right — the paranoid style in American politics. The talk is of dark conspiracies - secret money, foreign influence, big corporations, with Karl Rove and, yes, Ed Gillespie lurking ominously behind the scenes. The only thing missing is the Halliburton-Cheney angle.

But after trotting out some of these with a noticeable lack of success, President Obama has come up with something new, something less common, something more befitting his stature and intellect. He's now offering a scientific, indeed neurological, explanation for his current political troubles. The electorate apparently is deranged by its anxieties and fears to the point where it can't think straight. Part of the reason "facts and science and argument does not seem to be winning the day all the time," he explained to a Massachusetts audience, "is because we're hard-wired not to always think clearly when we're scared. And the country is scared."

Opening a whole new branch of cognitive science - liberal psychology - Obama has discovered a new principle: The fearful brain is hard-wired to act befuddled, i.e., vote Republican.

But of course. Here Obama has spent two years bestowing upon the peasantry the "New Foundation" of a more regulated, socially engineered and therefore more humane society, and they repay him with recalcitrance and outright opposition. Here he gave them Obamacare, the stimulus, financial regulation and a shot at cap-and-trade - and the electorate remains not just unmoved but ungrateful.

Faced with this truly puzzling conundrum, Dr. Obama diagnoses a heretofore undiscovered psychological derangement: anxiety-induced Obama Underappreciation Syndrome, wherein an entire population is so addled by its economic anxieties as to be neurologically incapable of appreciating the "facts and science" undergirding Obamacare and the other blessings their president has bestowed upon them from on high.

I have a better explanation. Better because it adheres to the ultimate scientific principle, Occam's Razor, by which the preferred explanation for any phenomenon is the one with the most economy and simplicity. And there is nothing simpler than the Gallup findings on the ideological inclinations of the American people. Conservative: 42 percent. Moderate: 35 percent. Liberal: 20 percent. No fanciful new syndromes or other elaborate fictions are required to understand that if you try to impose a liberal agenda on such a demonstrably center-right country - a country that is 80 percent non-liberal - you get a massive backlash.

Moreover, apart from ideology is empirical reality. Even as we speak, the social democratic model Obama is openly and boldly trying to move America toward is unraveling in Europe. It's not just the real prospect of financial collapse in Greece, Spain, Portugal and Ireland, with even the relatively more stable major countries in severe distress. It is the visible moral collapse of a system that, after two generations of increasing cradle-to-grave infantilization, turns millions of citizens into the streets of France in furious and often violent protest over what? Over raising the retirement age from 60 to 62!

Having seen this display of what can only be called decadence, Obama's perfectly wired electorate says no, not us, not here. The peasants have seen the future - Greece and France - and concluded that it does not work. Hence their opposition to Obama's proudly transformational New Foundation agenda. Their logic is impeccable: Only the most blinkered intellectual could be attempting to introduce social democracy to America precisely at a time when the world's foremost exemplar of that model - Europe - is in chaotic meltdown.

And it isn't as if this political message is new. It had already been sent in the last year with clarion clarity in the elections in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts where independents - the swing voters without ideological attachment one way or the other - split 2-to-1, 2-to-1 and 3-to-1, respectively, against the Democrats.

The story of the last two years is as simple as it is dramatic. It is the epic story of an administration with a highly ideological agenda encountering a rising resistance from the American people over the major question in dispute: the size and reach and power of government and, even more fundamentally, the nature of the American social contract.

An adjudication of the question will be rendered on Nov. 2. For the day, the American peasantry will be presiding.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7261037.html

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well I guess it was too soon. Dems arew still in denial, maybe they will be after next Tuesday also. One can hope. The longer they remain in denial the better for all of us.

Obama has passed nothing so far that cannot be de-funded by congress. The problem with legislation such as Obamacare is that it requires huge amounts of funding which is not in place and requires the House of Representatives to fund it. Oops. Forgot about that, eh?

Expecting that a lame duck session will solve all the "problems" before the new Congress starts is silly. Imagine trying to pass Obama's wish list through a lame duck congress without a filibuster proof Senate. Isn't happening. (The Dems blew that one when they couldn't hold onto a seat in Massachusetts)

We will wait until next week and ask again. Sorry, I just couldn't wait.

[scandal 951]

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You're very cute, you know? :star:

This threads needs some Leia....

[alienlovechild 75]

Republicans will gain some seats, which is expected considering historical trends. But in the end, its not really going to matter. Obama has already pushed through the most significant parts of his platform. Republicans will get pretty much nothing through Obama. In the meantime the economy will improve and people will be less angry. In 2012, my prediction is that many of the seats gained by the Republicans will be lost. Unless they can find some way to keep the anger alive for the next two years.

A reasonable assessment for the most part but Obama has kept the anger alive before the GOP could figure out how to co-op some of the Tea Party. The new crop of populists will get debased in DC as fast a virgin in a whorehouse,

This threads needs some Leia....

Dovetails with what I just wrote, scary stuff.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Here is an op-ed from Charles Krauthammer on this very topic:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/279735-obama-underappreciation-syndrome/