US trails Europe in download/upload speeds, but leads Australia..

[Heracles 417]

Except that article after article states that the internet service is slow in Australia. How's that for FAIL?

So 100Mbit/s is slow, which is available now via cable.

Yet your 25 Mbit/s is fast. What's your IP? So I can verify you are actually with verizon, as I don't believe you are, considering you make ###### up all the time.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Heracles

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So 100Mbit/s is slow, which is available now via cable.

Yet your 25 Mbit/s is fast. What's your IP so I can verify you are actually with verizon, as I don't believe you are; considering you make ###### up all the time.

I posted several links that all state how Aus internet service rates. I made up nothing. Now you are the one trying to prove that it's not true. You're right, I made it up that I'm with Verizon. I really have dial up. Damn, you caught me.

[daboyz 36]

Yep.

With the build out of a federal/private owned wholesale FTTH network, within eight years, 93% of the country will receive speeds of 100Mbit/s to 1Gbit/s.

Hmm. Not sure of the population densities in OZ. Hopefully 93% of the people live in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, or Perth. If not, will never be profitable.

OZ is 233rd on the list. The U.S. is 178.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density

Has to be a cost/benefit I would think for the telcos to invest unless the govt. is willing to shell out some big public money. Wimax or something along those lines would probably work better for Australia to cover more people over a greater area albeit at slower speeds.

[Heracles 417]

Hmm. Not sure of the population densities in OZ. Hopefully 93% of the people live in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, or Perth. If not, will never be profitable.

OZ is 233rd on the list. The U.S. is 178.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density

Has to be a cost/benefit I would think for the telcos to invest unless the govt. is willing to shell out some big public money. Wimax or something along those lines would probably work better for Australia to cover more people over a greater area albeit at slower speeds.

It will be profitable, in ten or so years. It's a long-term investment for the country and one which also opens up competition. Most of us here have one cable company and Fios or uverse to choose from. Whereas, the wholesale FTTH, is essentially like a road, which anyone can use. AKA competition.

Long term is a concept [quite frankly] that is no longer familiar with most Americans. This short-shortsightedness is exactly what the Chinese are exploiting. While Americans plan for the next quarter, they plan for the next 5, 10, 20 years. Why do you think they are not stupid like the Soviet Union to pump hundreds of billions into worthless military #######. Here it's a case of leave it all up to the private sector, which is why the US was just ranked as pretty-much having the most expensive cell services. Who else pays for incoming calls and text?

Edited October 27, 2010 by Heracles

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It will be profitable, in ten or so years. It's a long-term investment for the country and one which also opens up competition. Most of us here have one cable company and Fios or uverse to choose from. Whereas, the wholesale FTTH, is essentially like a road, which anyone can use. AKA competition.

Long term is a concept [quite frankly] that is no longer familiar with most Americans. This short-shortsightedness is exactly what the Chinese are exploiting. While Americans plan for the next quarter, they plan for the next 5, 10, 20 years. Why do you think they are not stupid like the Soviet Union to pump hundreds of billions into worthless military #######.

And in ten years when the system is profitable, it will be obsolete.

[Heracles 417]

And in ten years when the system is profitable, it will be obsolete.

It sure as hell is better than the dialup millions of Americans are stuck on. You do also realize that part of the plan is to cover the rest of the country with 4G wireless. Therefore, 100% of the country will be on a broadband connection over 12 Mbit/s.

[daboyz 36]

It will be profitable, in ten or so years. It's a long-term investment for the country and one which also opens up competition. Most of us here have one cable company and Fios or uverse to choose from. Whereas, the wholesale FTTH, is essentially like a road, which anyone can use. AKA competition.

Long term is a concept [quite frankly] that is no longer familiar with most Americans. This short-shortsightedness is exactly what the Chinese are exploiting. While Americans plan for the next quarter, they plan for the next 5, 10, 20 years. Why do you think they are not stupid like the Soviet Union to pump hundreds of billions into worthless military #######. Here it's a case of leave it all up to the private sector, which is why the US was just ranked as pretty-much having the most expensive cell services. Who else pays for incoming calls and text?

Not sure about the govt. in Australia, but if I was relying on the US govt. for high speed internet, I would still be hearing the annoying scream of 9600 baud US Robotics modems and playing some chat game on a BBS.

[Heracles 417]

Not sure about the govt. in Australia, but if I was relying on the US govt. for high speed internet, I would still be hearing the annoying scream of 9600 baud US Robotics modems and playing some chat game on a BBS.

I hear that a lot here, what's short is actual examples of such large scale failures. Hoover dam is still something discussed around the world, as is Enron, the lastest wlal street induced recession etc etc etc.

It's just strange that for all this hatred of government, every single other successful country in the last decade or two has achieved their success by means of government. China is growing at 10% and they're freakin Communist. Their economy is where the US was in 86, not exactly too far behind. Whereas, excluding the US, the rest who have this government sucks attitude are third world countries.

Not to mention, after five years of being here I can count government fails on one hand. Whereas, I'd need a data management system to list the private sector failures. For example, I don't like contracts so I wanted to purchase an Iphone outright, something extremely common abroad. As much as I hate the company, I was willing to use AT&T. Do they have any BYO plan or logical per minute plan like everyone else in this world? Of course not. Can I use anyone else, like the five or six WCDMA cell companies in European or Asian markets? Oh noes, cannot use it on any other network because they use silly frequencies [t-mobile], with the rest using incompatible ancient technologies.

I find examples like this all of the bloody time. It's just amazing how no one on the right sees it. How about USPS? They have been phenomenal for me. Couldn't be happier, especially considering what I pay. How about my local county government? Great too. Well, apart from the volunteer services, thanks to repubs who don't want to pay taxes. Or the shitty roads and lack of second world let alone first world infrastructure, which has to do with the aforementioned too. That's not indicative of government, but the attitude towards it. Quite frankly, the US is a textbook example of what happens when you have little government, which started post Reagan.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Heracles

[daboyz 36]

I hear that a lot here, what's short is actual examples of such large scale failures. Hoover dam is still something discussed around the world, as is Enron, the lastest wlal street induced recession etc etc etc.

It's just strange that for all this hatred of government, every single other successful country in the last decade or two has achieved their success by means of government. China is growing at 10% and they're freakin Communist. Their economy is where the US was in 86, not exactly too far behind. Whereas, excluding the US, the rest who have this government sucks attitude are third world countries.

I wont go into all the economic factors for this (artificial currency levels etc.) China is not communist when it comes to economic policies. If you believe they are not communist politically, Santa will be visiting you on Dec. 25. Be sure to leave out cookies and milk. They are communist politically. Big difference! So is Burma, so is Cuba etc. etc. If we didn't buy all of China's cheap #######, the Europeans would buy it etc. China cant sustain this much longer. Cost of living is going up there etc. Look to Africa for the new China if they can get their act together.

Might be true that some European govts. have done well for their economies short term, it is not sustainable. (see recent riots in France)

Not to mention, after five years of being here I can count government fails on one hand. Whereas, I'd need a data management system to list the private sector failures. For example, I don't like contracts so I wanted to purchase an Iphone outright, something extremely common abroad. As much as I hate the company, I was willing to use AT&T. Do they have any BYO plan or logical per minute plan like everyone else in this world? Of course not.

Agreed. Subsidizing the cost of the cell phone with a contract should be illegal. Also locked cell phones should be illegal. This hinders competition and is very "Un-american"

Can I use anyone else, like the five or six WCDMA cell companies in European or Asian markets? Oh noes, cannot use it on any other network because they use silly frequencies [t-mobile], with the rest using incompatible ancient technologies.

That's a failure of the US companies and their arrogance in this area. Almost the whole world runs on some form of GSM now. Even 3GPP is a form of GSM. Americans are arrogant in this manner. When it comes to standards, the Americans have Imperial vs. Metric. Stupid. In communications the US has T1/T3 circuits, while the rest of the world has E1/E3. I wont argue this fact with anyone. it is annoying as hell. That said Japan, has their own crazy weird mobile standards. The whole world should be on one standard, and the U.S. needs to quit holding on to old standards to be competitive. I agree with you 100% here.

I find examples like this all of the bloody time. It's just amazing how no one on the right sees it.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It sure as hell is better than the dialup millions of Americans are stuck on. You do also realize that part of the plan is to cover the rest of the country with 4G wireless. Therefore, 100% of the country will be on a broadband connection over 12 Mbit/s.

Regardless of what the plan is, the fact is that the US has better internet speed than Australia. Even your warped logic can't change that fact.

[Heracles 417]

Regardless of what the plan is, the fact is that the US has better internet speed than Australia. Even your warped logic can't change that fact.

Instead of your articles or a website, lets look at the latest actual data. Have look at these various comparisons of OCED countries. Guess who has a higher broadband penetration and download speed? Guess. Or who has the large 3G wireless connection. etc etc. You have heard of the OECD right? I have to ask with you..

http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_37441,00.html#Coverage

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Instead of your articles or a website, lets look at the latest actual data. Have look at these various comparisons of OCED countries. Guess who has a higher broadband penetration and download speed? Guess. Or who has the large 3G wireless connection. etc etc. You have heard of the OECD right? I have to ask with you..

http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_37441,00.html#Coverage

Ok, we'll ignore articles posted from sources in YOUR country and a website with test results from every country in the world, including over 20 million tests in Australia and accept your opinion as fact instead. What a joke. :rofl: The facts show that you do NOT have faster download speeds.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Oh, and be sure to check your results when schools and corporations aren't included. That gives a better idea of what the average Joe has for connection speed.

[Heracles 417]

Ok, we'll ignore articles posted from sources in YOUR country and a website with test results from every country in the world, including over 20 million tests in Australia and accept your opinion as fact instead. What a joke. :rofl: The facts show that you do NOT have faster download speeds.

So you have not heard of the OCED then. I'm truly speaking with a 14 year old or some hillbilly Bostonian equivalent, left over from the Irish migration days here. A I can see Russia from my house type.

OCED conducted a report, they a renowned organization that keeps accurate data for OCED countries and is used by business. You quote two articles and a speed test.

In the Speedtest site you linked, the US scored 10.15MBit/s [ranked 28th] Aus scored 7.75MBits/ [ranked 40th]. Um there are still 27 countries above you. Only a fool grasping for straws would be cheering that. Any equivalent study I use or point I make, AUS is in the Top five.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Heracles

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So you have not heard of the OCED then. I'm truly speaking with a 14 year old or some hillbilly Bostonian equivalent, left over from the Irish migration days here. A I can see Russia from my house type.

OCED conducted a report, they a renowned organization that keeps accurate data for OCED countries and is used by business. You quote two articles and a speed test.

In the Speedtest site you linked, the US scored 10.15MBit/s [ranked 28th] Aus scored 7.75MBits/ [ranked 40th]. Um there are still 27 countries above you. Only a fool grasping for straws would be cheering that.

And 39 above you. Read the title of the thread. Dispute it all you want. The truth hurts. Someday it will be better for you.