household size on affidavit of support

[luv2uallday 1]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

[diadromous mermaid 36]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

Per the form instructions: "Your household size includes yourself and the following individuals, no matter where they live: any spouse, any dependent children under the age of 21, any other dependents listed on your most recent Federal income tax return, all persons being sponsored in this affidavit of support, and any immigrants previously sponsored with a Form I-864 or Form I-864 EZ affidavit of support whom you are still obligated tosupport. If necessary to meet the income requirements to be a sponsor, you may include additional relatives (adult children,parents, or siblings) as part of your household size as long as they have the same principle residence as you and promise touse their income and resources in support of the intending immigrant(s)."

So, are you still obligated under the Affidavit of Support for the ex-wife? Has she completed the 40-quarters work requirement, become a USC citizen or left the country?

Then, line 10 =1 (the current immigrant you are sponsoring)

Line 21a = 1

Line 21b = 1

Line 21c = 0 (you entered immigrant already even though you are married)

Line 21d = 0 (child you pay child support for is not a dependent unless declared on the tax return)

Line 21e = 0 (unless one of your family members (adult) you calim as dependents on a tax return)

Line 21f = 1 (if ex-immigrant wife has still not satisfied the Affidavit of Support work/citizenship/departure requirement to obviate the former I-864) or 0 if she has

Line 21g = 0 (unless your mother or sister are going to contribute their income to help meet the income requirements. If they are place them in this box and they fill-out an I864A)

Line 21H = TOTAL OF ABOVE

Edited August 21, 2006 by diadromous mermaid

[john_and_marlene 162]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

Per the form instructions: "Your household size includes yourself and the following individuals, no matter where they live: any spouse, any dependent children under the age of 21, any other dependents listed on your most recent Federal income tax return, all persons being sponsored in this affidavit of support, and any immigrants previously sponsored with a Form I-864 or Form I-864 EZ affidavit of support whom you are still obligated tosupport. If necessary to meet the income requirements to be a sponsor, you may include additional relatives (adult children,parents, or siblings) as part of your household size as long as they have the same principle residence as you and promise touse their income and resources in support of the intending immigrant(s)."

So, are you still opbligated for the ex-wife? Has she completed the 40-quarters work requirement, become a USC citizen or left the country?

Then, line 10 =1 (the current immigrant you are sponsoring)

Line 21a = 1

Line 21b = 1

Line 21c = 0 (you entered immigrant already even though you are married)

Line 21d = 0 (child you pay child support for is not a dependent unless declared on the tax return)

Line 21e = 0 (unless one of your family members (adult) you calim as dependents on a tax return)

Line 21f = 1 (if ex-immigrant wife has still not satisfied the Affidavit of Support work/citizenship/departure requirement to obviate the former I-864) or 0 if she has

Line 21g = 0 (unless your mother or sister are going to contribute their income to help meet the income requirements. If they are place them in this box and they fill-out an I864A)

Line 21H = TOTAL OF ABOVE

You are wrong about line 21d. the child being supported IS a dependent regardless of declaration on the tax return.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

Per the form instructions: "Your household size includes yourself and the following individuals, no matter where they live: any spouse, any dependent children under the age of 21, any other dependents listed on your most recent Federal income tax return, all persons being sponsored in this affidavit of support, and any immigrants previously sponsored with a Form I-864 or Form I-864 EZ affidavit of support whom you are still obligated tosupport. If necessary to meet the income requirements to be a sponsor, you may include additional relatives (adult children,parents, or siblings) as part of your household size as long as they have the same principle residence as you and promise touse their income and resources in support of the intending immigrant(s)."

So, are you still opbligated for the ex-wife? Has she completed the 40-quarters work requirement, become a USC citizen or left the country?

Then, line 10 =1 (the current immigrant you are sponsoring)

Line 21a = 1

Line 21b = 1

Line 21c = 0 (you entered immigrant already even though you are married)

Line 21d = 0 (child you pay child support for is not a dependent unless declared on the tax return)

Line 21e = 0 (unless one of your family members (adult) you calim as dependents on a tax return)

Line 21f = 1 (if ex-immigrant wife has still not satisfied the Affidavit of Support work/citizenship/departure requirement to obviate the former I-864) or 0 if she has

Line 21g = 0 (unless your mother or sister are going to contribute their income to help meet the income requirements. If they are place them in this box and they fill-out an I864A)

Line 21H = TOTAL OF ABOVE

You are wrong about line 21d. the child being supported IS a dependent regardless of declaration on the tax return.

Yes, as I re-read it, the child is supposed to be added if under 21. I was thinking of tax purposes, sorry.

Edited August 21, 2006 by diadromous mermaid

[john_and_marlene 162]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

Per the form instructions: "Your household size includes yourself and the following individuals, no matter where they live: any spouse, any dependent children under the age of 21, any other dependents listed on your most recent Federal income tax return, all persons being sponsored in this affidavit of support, and any immigrants previously sponsored with a Form I-864 or Form I-864 EZ affidavit of support whom you are still obligated tosupport. If necessary to meet the income requirements to be a sponsor, you may include additional relatives (adult children,parents, or siblings) as part of your household size as long as they have the same principle residence as you and promise touse their income and resources in support of the intending immigrant(s)."

So, are you still opbligated for the ex-wife? Has she completed the 40-quarters work requirement, become a USC citizen or left the country?

Then, line 10 =1 (the current immigrant you are sponsoring)

Line 21a = 1

Line 21b = 1

Line 21c = 0 (you entered immigrant already even though you are married)

Line 21d = 0 (child you pay child support for is not a dependent unless declared on the tax return)

Line 21e = 0 (unless one of your family members (adult) you calim as dependents on a tax return)

Line 21f = 1 (if ex-immigrant wife has still not satisfied the Affidavit of Support work/citizenship/departure requirement to obviate the former I-864) or 0 if she has

Line 21g = 0 (unless your mother or sister are going to contribute their income to help meet the income requirements. If they are place them in this box and they fill-out an I864A)

Line 21H = TOTAL OF ABOVE

You are wrong about line 21d. the child being supported IS a dependent regardless of declaration on the tax return.

Yes, as I re-read it, the child is supposed to be added if under 21. I was thinking of tax purposes, sorry.

No problem I just didn't want the OP to be counting on it one way and then get a surprise.

[simple_male 1]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

I filled out the old one that NVC sent me, though I made the new one ready.

The I-864 instruction (page 2) clearly says if you claim someone on your recent tax as a dependent, then you should enter that person. In your case, you don't need to enter your son. But you should get a proof that the child support payments are up to date for the interview at the Embassy, as they may bring this issue to see, if you are obliging the court order.

# 21, part C: Don't put anything there. You already put "1" on part "a" for your wife. You can just write a note that this I-864 is sponsoring your wife, so you are not entering anything on part "c."

[john_and_marlene 162]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

I filled out the old one that NVC sent me, though I made the new one ready.

The I-864 instruction (page 2) clearly says if you claim someone on your recent tax as a dependent, then you should enter that person. In your case, you don't need to enter your son. But you should get a proof that the child support payments are up to date for the interview at the Embassy, as they may bring this issue to see, if you are obliging the court order.

# 21, part C: Don't put anything there. You already put "1" on part "a" for your wife. You can just write a note that this I-864 is sponsoring your wife, so you are not entering anything on part "c."

You need to read the instruction again very carefully.

Enter the number of unmarried children you have who are under age 21, even if you do not have legal custody of these children. You may exclude any unmarried children under 21, if these children have reached majority under the law of their place of domicile and you do not claim them as dependents on your income tax.

In other words, for children under 21 years of age two conditions must be met to exclude them.

1. reached majority (normally age 18).

AND

2. you do not claim them as dependents on your income tax.

So if you have minor children under 18 that you pay support for but do not declare them on income tax, you MUST include them on household size.

Edited August 21, 2006 by john_and_marlene

[simple_male 1]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

I filled out the old one that NVC sent me, though I made the new one ready.

The I-864 instruction (page 2) clearly says if you claim someone on your recent tax as a dependent, then you should enter that person. In your case, you don't need to enter your son. But you should get a proof that the child support payments are up to date for the interview at the Embassy, as they may bring this issue to see, if you are obliging the court order.

# 21, part C: Don't put anything there. You already put "1" on part "a" for your wife. You can just write a note that this I-864 is sponsoring your wife, so you are not entering anything on part "c."

You need to read the instruction again very carefully.

Enter the number of unmarried children you have who are under age 21, even if you do not have legal custody of these children. You may exclude any unmarried children under 21, if these children have reached majority under the law of their place of domicile and you do not claim them as dependents on your income tax.

In other words, for children under 21 years of age two conditions must be met to exclude them.

1. reached majority (normally age 18).

AND

2. you do not claim them as dependents on your income tax.

So if you have minor children under 18 that you pay support for but do not declare them on income tax, you MUST include them on household size.

John and Marlene,

Yes, you are right, as you quoted from page 7 of the instructions 21d, page 7.

But I answered after reading from page 2 of the instructions on "How Do I Count Household Size" section which says, "Your household size includes yourself and the following individuals, no matter where they live: any spouse, any dependent children under the age of 21, any other dependents listed on your most recent federal income tas return, all persons being sponsored in this affidavit of support, and any immigrants previously sponsored with a Form I-864 of Form I-864EZ affidavit of support whom you are still obligaged to support."

I think, including the child is the safer route. But, page 2 instructions about dependent children is not consistent with page 7's, though they are talking about the same thing.

Edited August 21, 2006 by simple_male

[john_and_marlene 162]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

I filled out the old one that NVC sent me, though I made the new one ready.

The I-864 instruction (page 2) clearly says if you claim someone on your recent tax as a dependent, then you should enter that person. In your case, you don't need to enter your son. But you should get a proof that the child support payments are up to date for the interview at the Embassy, as they may bring this issue to see, if you are obliging the court order.

# 21, part C: Don't put anything there. You already put "1" on part "a" for your wife. You can just write a note that this I-864 is sponsoring your wife, so you are not entering anything on part "c."

You need to read the instruction again very carefully.

Enter the number of unmarried children you have who are under age 21, even if you do not have legal custody of these children. You may exclude any unmarried children under 21, if these children have reached majority under the law of their place of domicile and you do not claim them as dependents on your income tax.

In other words, for children under 21 years of age two conditions must be met to exclude them.

1. reached majority (normally age 18).

AND

2. you do not claim them as dependents on your income tax.

So if you have minor children under 18 that you pay support for but do not declare them on income tax, you MUST include them on household size.

John and Marlene,

Yes, you are right, as you quoted from page 7 of the instructions 21d, page 7.

But I answered after reading from page 2 of the instructions on "How Do I Count Household Size" section which says, "Your household size includes yourself and the following individuals, no matter where they live: any spouse, any dependent children under the age of 21, any other dependents listed on your most recent federal income tas return, all persons being sponsored in this affidavit of support, and any immigrants previously sponsored with a Form I-864 of Form I-864EZ affidavit of support whom you are still obligaged to support."

I think, including the child is the safer route. But, page 2 instructions about dependent children is not consistent with page 7's, though they are talking about the same thing.

That statement says the same thing.

1. Yourself

2. any spouse

3. any dependent children under the age of 21

4. any other dependents listed on your most recent federal income tax return

[simple_male 1]

ok this is confusing to me, how do i calculate the household size

ok here is the breakdown

i'm living with my parents in my house which consist of

me

mother

sister

i am divorced, i previously petitioned for my exwife. also i have a son who doesn't live live with my i don't claim him on my taxes but i do pay child support do i claim him as a dependent?

so far i have my dependents as four.. the document says only claim other members of house only if they are sponsoring jointly but the websites say different i'm totally confused anyone have help on this.

also on part 5 #21 letter c it says if you are currently married enter 1 for your spouse.. well if i'm sponsoring my wife do i put zero in this field? if i put one in that field it would be counting twice it looks like to me any help on this matter,.

also lastly employer letter what are the information that they need to put on it.

Thank you for your help in this matter

I filled out the old one that NVC sent me, though I made the new one ready.

The I-864 instruction (page 2) clearly says if you claim someone on your recent tax as a dependent, then you should enter that person. In your case, you don't need to enter your son. But you should get a proof that the child support payments are up to date for the interview at the Embassy, as they may bring this issue to see, if you are obliging the court order.

# 21, part C: Don't put anything there. You already put "1" on part "a" for your wife. You can just write a note that this I-864 is sponsoring your wife, so you are not entering anything on part "c."

You need to read the instruction again very carefully.

Enter the number of unmarried children you have who are under age 21, even if you do not have legal custody of these children. You may exclude any unmarried children under 21, if these children have reached majority under the law of their place of domicile and you do not claim them as dependents on your income tax.

In other words, for children under 21 years of age two conditions must be met to exclude them.

1. reached majority (normally age 18).

AND

2. you do not claim them as dependents on your income tax.

So if you have minor children under 18 that you pay support for but do not declare them on income tax, you MUST include them on household size.

John and Marlene,

Yes, you are right, as you quoted from page 7 of the instructions 21d, page 7.

But I answered after reading from page 2 of the instructions on "How Do I Count Household Size" section which says, "Your household size includes yourself and the following individuals, no matter where they live: any spouse, any dependent children under the age of 21, any other dependents listed on your most recent federal income tas return, all persons being sponsored in this affidavit of support, and any immigrants previously sponsored with a Form I-864 of Form I-864EZ affidavit of support whom you are still obligaged to support."

I think, including the child is the safer route. But, page 2 instructions about dependent children is not consistent with page 7's, though they are talking about the same thing.

That statement says the same thing.

1. Yourself

2. any spouse

3. any dependent children under the age of 21

4. any other dependents listed on your most recent federal income tax return

NVC's interpretation is, if someone claims the son/daughter in the recent tax return, then include that child, if not, leave it. I know it for fact cuz NVC told someone the above and that person's paperwork went fine. Even from page 2, I interpreted, any children under 21 and any other dependent listed on your most federal tax return. I understood differently than what you thought, but from page 7, it is more clear. But it is safer to include a child for whom child support is paid.

[simple_male 1]

I have analyzed the old I-864 and the new I-864. NVC sent me the old one which I mailed them out though I prepared the new one. The new one is more specific about including any dependent child(children) under 18. The old one only asks, "enter the number of dependent, as claimed on your recent year's tax return. But the new one asks to include the dependent child(children), even if they were not claimed on the recent year's tax return. So if anyone has any dependent child/children under 21, he/she has to enter it while calculating the household size for the new I-864, even though the child/children were not claimed on the recent year's tax return and even though they don't live with the sponsor in the same house.