Florida immigration bill would give white folks a pass

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You mean like those looooong lines of white and presumably gay hipsters just waiting to get their hands on the first name-any-apple-product?

Go go gadget!

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Vanessa is not the only Canadian from Toronto. But it does sound like the two of you belong together.

Excuse me? Perhaps you should morderate yourself and step down from being a moderator with that attitude. Wow, just wow.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Excuse me? Perhaps you should morderate yourself and step down from being a moderator with that attitude. Wow, just wow.

Fail troll is fail. Maybe you should focus on your many many intellectual shortcomings first. Start with the remarkably false and stupid generalizations about Toronto.

[Krikit 1,164]

Excuse me? Perhaps you should morderate yourself and step down from being a moderator with that attitude. Wow, just wow.

So you find it offensive for someone to state that you and your intended share the same observations but you don't find it offensive to think and state those observations?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

So you find it offensive for someone to state that you and your intended share the same observations but you don't find it offensive to think and state those observations?

No, I find it absurd that a moderator would act in a manner such as you with baiting and trolling. You were making a purposeful post because you didn't like what I was saying. You're entitled to your opinion about Toronto, and that's fine. You cross the line though in directly attacking me, just as Rob & Mel does in their response (which is typical as well).

Some people work the downtown corridor, ride the subway, and are around the eaton centre daily. I am not exhaggerating one bit when I say I felt like I was in a completely different nation on boxing day. It was literally some Asian nation there. I maybe saw one or two white people in there that day. It was really really weird. This is no different on a daily basis on race ratios down there and the overwhelming majority of employees that work in most of the stores in that mall as well...

[Krikit 1,164]

No, I find it absurd that a moderator would act in a manner such as you with baiting and trolling. You were making a purposeful post because you didn't like what I was saying. You're entitled to your opinion about Toronto, and that's fine. You cross the line though in directly attacking me, just as Rob & Mel does in their response (which is typical as well).

Some people work the downtown corridor, ride the subway, and are around the eaton centre daily. I am not exhaggerating one bit when I say I felt like I was in a completely different nation on boxing day. It was literally some Asian nation there. I maybe saw one or two white people in there that day. It was really really weird. This is no different on a daily basis on race ratios down there and the overwhelming majority of employees that work in most of the stores in that mall as well...

I find it interesting that you have no comprehension of what you are saying and how you are saying it.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I find it interesting that you have no comprehension of what you are saying and how you are saying it.

I know exactly what I am saying. I'm not attacking anyone, I'm not being rude. I'm stating what is seen.

[The_Dude 1,142]

No, I find it absurd that a moderator would act in a manner such as you with baiting and trolling. You were making a purposeful post because you didn't like what I was saying. You're entitled to your opinion about Toronto, and that's fine. You cross the line though in directly attacking me, just as Rob & Mel does in their response (which is typical as well).

Some people work the downtown corridor, ride the subway, and are around the eaton centre daily. I am not exhaggerating one bit when I say I felt like I was in a completely different nation on boxing day. It was literally some Asian nation there. I maybe saw one or two white people in there that day. It was really really weird. This is no different on a daily basis on race ratios down there and the overwhelming majority of employees that work in most of the stores in that mall as well...

That's what you consider trolling? You must be new to the internet.

[Used to be broken 147]

No, it's not. 2% of a million is 20,000 per year. The same number of Mexicans illegally cross every *week*.

I guess the point is lost that it seems odd that a conservative would depart from the enforcement only approach to the don't inconvenience Cannuck's on vacation approach. Regardless of how many people cross the southern border daily they estimate that 40% of all illegal immigrants are not coming from there. So if you are going to "get tuff" get tuff on everyone don't take a U turn when it comes to enforcement to as the goof ball said, provide "comfort language".

Once they start rousting Canadians and other paler folks in high tourist areas, then and only then will some of the issues that "profiling" come into the light. Primarily the pain and inconvenience of interacting with DHS agents in the course of conducting ones daily affairs.

I think DHS rousting tourists is a good thing actually and fits well with the conservative mantra oft heard "if it looks like duck walks like a duck, its probably a duck". High traffic tourist areas should be fertile ground for Enforcement Only type behavior, filled with lots of foreigners who "might be illegal". If you live in Arizona and your brown, or for that matter florida its what 1/3 Hispanic population? So its a one in three chance if you get pulled over you get

additional questioning about your legal status. I think when they pull over anyone.. they should just check to make sure they are here legally.. enforce the laws !

[Boiler 45,576]

Canadians have a weird presence in the US, seems akin to D/S for Students.

There are plenty of cases of those from Western Countries that have been deported, what their racial characteristics are they have not said.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I said some are from VWP countries but if a million just to put a conservative figure on it come a year and 2% stay.. that is a pretty big number.

I question what motivates this type of approach, not outraged but certainly skeptical.

Is not consistent with other conservative enforcement only philosophies, why deviate here?

I think you have to look no further than the forums here to disprove your VWP theory. There are plenty of posts of those who came here on a tourist VISA got married and adjusted status. They also get a "pass" because apparently they later contend they didn't to "intend" to Immigrate when they came here, they originally came to visit Disneyland.

Some, yes. Some. A ridiculously small number of the population in question. If that was any different, their country would be thrown out of the VWP. It's just that simple.

Anyone that arrives as a tourist or other on-immigrant category and subsequently adjusts status is NOT part of the illegal alien community. Those would then be lawful residents and, more often than not, citizens down the road. You may choose to question that path but that's a different discussion altogether. Why deflect from the actual issue at hand and pretend that illegal aliens come in any numbers that should raise concern from VWP countries when the facts prove that assumption to be incorrect?

[AlinaH 38]

Just wondering how a Canadian would prove their legally there as a visitor? They often don't stamp my passport or give me any sort of paper when I cross the border....so if the rules were different and we had to show proof, how would we go about doing that?

[Used to be broken 147]

Some, yes. Some. A ridiculously small number of the population in question. If that was any different, their country would be thrown out of the VWP. It's just that simple.

Anyone that arrives as a tourist or other on-immigrant category and subsequently adjusts status is NOT part of the illegal alien community. Those would then be lawful residents and, more often than not, citizens down the road. You may choose to question that path but that's a different discussion altogether. Why deflect from the actual issue at hand and pretend that illegal aliens come in any numbers that should raise concern from VWP countries when the facts prove that assumption to be incorrect?

I am getting a little tired of playing twister with you. sigh My point was the conservative departure from the position that "illegal is illegal" makes no sense and is inconsistent with the enforcement only mentality, which gives rise to the question of it's legitimacy in the circumstances suggested earlier going on in Florida, someone advocating a pass for the paler tourists.

While you may cling to a belief system that denies a significant portion of the illegal population entered the country by means other than illegally crossing the border ie business and tourist VISA's, according to the Congressional Research Service that is simply not true.;

Reliable estimates of the number of nonimmigrant overstays are not available, and the most recent sample estimates range from 31% to 57% of the unauthorized population (depending on methodology) in 2006. Combined, visitor visas issued for tourism and business comprised the largest group of nonimmigrants in FY2008, with about 4.7 million or 71.1% In 2006, the Pew Hispanic Center applied the Warren methodology (with some modifications) to their estimates of the unauthorized resident alien population in 2006. Their estimates suggest that out of an unauthorized resident alien population of 11.5 million to 12 million, about 4 million to 5.5 million, or between 33% and 50%, are nonimmigrant overstays.38 The 2006 estimate remains the most recent calculation.

While I agree those that have already adjusted status are no longer a part of the illegal alien community and have questions of equity regarding that path as it relates to the treatment of an EWI vs someone who came with intent to immigrate. During the period from the day their VISA expires until they adjust status, they are considered members of the illegal alien population. Don't forget the mantra, "illegal is illegal".

Edited October 22, 2010 by brokenfamily

[Boiler 45,576]

Which country is issued the most Visitor Visa's?

[mawilson 2,133]

I guess the point is lost that it seems odd that a conservative would depart from the enforcement only approach to the don't inconvenience Cannuck's on vacation approach. Regardless of how many people cross the southern border daily they estimate that 40% of all illegal immigrants are not coming from there.

Even if that's true, European and Canadian illegals are better educated and better prepared to

give something to our country instead of taking something from it.

Edited October 22, 2010 by mawilson