Our K-1 was denied in Guangzhou

[lostinvisashit 0]

Hi Everybody!!!

Here is my story:

My name is Ray and I am divorced. The last one was filed on Feb 6 2008. and now I am single. I am 61 years old, married 3 times, the last time was to a Chinese woman who I met in China and brought over here on a K-1 visa..(We are now divorced and she is a US citizen.) As a result of that marriage, I understand I am on some kind of database that says I was married to a K1 holder. I don’t know the official name of this database I am on….

I went to Shanghai on April 10, 2008 and met Yili at a coffee shop and instantly fell in love with her!...I spent 2 weeks with her, then came back and filled out a K-1 application and submitted it on 5/4/08…I received the I-797C on May 29, 2008…Then she received her packet to go to Guangzhou nine months later and after the interview, she received a denial because the officer didn’t think there was a bona fide relationship. She got the form 221G and that was it…She was denied on March 19, 2009. (I have received letters from the INS that the K1 is totally dead and they will not honor it anymore- so there is no appealing it....)

After being denied she was in a very depressed state of mind and wanted to break off our relationship, thinking it would be the best for both of us. Around that same time, her old former boyfriend had contacted her...Subsequently she was coerced by her former boyfriend and his mother into marrying him. Both the mother and her son got down on their knees to ask this favor of Yili = to marry her son.…. The reason being was that the boyfriend’s father was on his deathbed and wanted to see his only son marry a girl the father always liked…Four months later, the father died and they divorced….Yili was not thinking properly when she did this and didn’t know that this would cause a wrinkle in our future plans together….she was married on 4/27/09 and divorced sometime in August of 09….

After her denial, I wrote letters to both Senators, the director at Guangzhou, to Janet Napolitano and to Obama. I was pretty angry…Result is nothing. Seems nobody cares….After talking with an assistant at Frank Pallone’s office, I understand that I raised some huge red flags in their eyes:

1- my age (61)

2- I was married to a Chinese before. (major issue?)

3- Very quick to fill out the K-1 after having just met her.

4- Our age discrepancy (38 year difference)

My last trip was for 2 months this past July. We toured 3 countries and I have run out of most of my cash but it was worth it and she had a great time and her spirits were lifted.

My trips to China to see Yili:

4/9/08 – 4/22/08 2 weeks

9/17/09 –9/28/09 2 weeks = toured Hang Zhou / attended her cousin’s wedding.

5/23/10- 7/20/10 2 month visit.= toured Japan, Hainan, France, Italy and Switzerland.

Yili has lost faith in the K1 and K3 process, she doesn’t like the interviews and is now hesitant that the K-3 will result in failure as well…..

We need a sure fire method to bring her to me…she has some money saved up and she was considering a tour guide trip to the USA – when she comes, of course we will get married right away.. What is her chances to come here on tour considering her youthful age?

Please help!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quick dates:

Met on 4/10/08 = stayed for 2 weeks

K-1 visa application on 5/4/08

K-1 denied on 3/19/09

Yili married someone else on 4/27/09

Yili divorced him on 8/09

Met Yili again on 9/17/09 = stayed for 2 weeks

Met Yili again on 5/23/10.= stayed with her for 2 months

I need some good advice as we want to be together and we love each other.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

she was considering a tour guide trip to the USA – when she comes, of course we will get married right away..

Wow!!! Visa Fraud anyone?

Seriously, unless she has extremely compelling ties to return to China it's a long shot at best. Even if she does come you should expect extra scrutiny when it comes time for the Adjustment of Status interview.

You do understand that you're contemplating Visa Fraud which i a crime and can result in her being banned from the US for life, right?

[Penguin_ie 5,994]

Sorry you got denied, your consulate is a difficult one to get approval in. Some experts on the consulate will come along to give more info, but you may want to look into getting married over there and applying for a spousal visa.

I think she has a very very slim chance of getting a tourist visa- a single, young Chinese lady, some savings but not much else to tie her to her home country, who was turned down for a fiancee visa? Also, if she gets the visa, you CAN get married while in the USA, but she is not allowed to stay- as mentioned above, that would be visa fraud. She'd need to return home and go through the spousal visa process.

[Dakine 26]

Hi Everybody!!!

Here is my story:

My name is Ray and I am divorced. The last one was filed on Feb 6 2008. and now I am single. I am 61 years old, married 3 times, the last time was to a Chinese woman who I met in China and brought over here on a K-1 visa..(We are now divorced and she is a US citizen.) As a result of that marriage, I understand I am on some kind of database that says I was married to a K1 holder. I don’t know the official name of this database I am on….

I went to Shanghai on April 10, 2008 and met Yili at a coffee shop and instantly fell in love with her!...I spent 2 weeks with her, then came back and filled out a K-1 application and submitted it on 5/4/08…I received the I-797C on May 29, 2008…Then she received her packet to go to Guangzhou nine months later and after the interview, she received a denial because the officer didn’t think there was a bona fide relationship. She got the form 221G and that was it…She was denied on March 19, 2009. (I have received letters from the INS that the K1 is totally dead and they will not honor it anymore- so there is no appealing it....)

After being denied she was in a very depressed state of mind and wanted to break off our relationship, thinking it would be the best for both of us. Around that same time, her old former boyfriend had contacted her...Subsequently she was coerced by her former boyfriend and his mother into marrying him. Both the mother and her son got down on their knees to ask this favor of Yili = to marry her son.…. The reason being was that the boyfriend’s father was on his deathbed and wanted to see his only son marry a girl the father always liked…Four months later, the father died and they divorced….Yili was not thinking properly when she did this and didn’t know that this would cause a wrinkle in our future plans together….she was married on 4/27/09 and divorced sometime in August of 09….

After her denial, I wrote letters to both Senators, the director at Guangzhou, to Janet Napolitano and to Obama. I was pretty angry…Result is nothing. Seems nobody cares….After talking with an assistant at Frank Pallone’s office, I understand that I raised some huge red flags in their eyes:

1- my age (61)

2- I was married to a Chinese before. (major issue?)

3- Very quick to fill out the K-1 after having just met her.

4- Our age discrepancy (38 year difference)

My last trip was for 2 months this past July. We toured 3 countries and I have run out of most of my cash but it was worth it and she had a great time and her spirits were lifted.

My trips to China to see Yili:

4/9/08 – 4/22/08 2 weeks

9/17/09 –9/28/09 2 weeks = toured Hang Zhou / attended her cousin’s wedding.

5/23/10- 7/20/10 2 month visit.= toured Japan, Hainan, France, Italy and Switzerland.

Yili has lost faith in the K1 and K3 process, she doesn’t like the interviews and is now hesitant that the K-3 will result in failure as well…..

We need a sure fire method to bring her to me…she has some money saved up and she was considering a tour guide trip to the USA – when she comes, of course we will get married right away.. What is her chances to come here on tour considering her youthful age?

Please help!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quick dates:

Met on 4/10/08 = stayed for 2 weeks

K-1 visa application on 5/4/08

K-1 denied on 3/19/09

Yili married someone else on 4/27/09

Yili divorced him on 8/09

Met Yili again on 9/17/09 = stayed for 2 weeks

Met Yili again on 5/23/10.= stayed with her for 2 months

I need some good advice as we want to be together and we love each other.

Sounds like you guys have ample evidence of a bonafide relationship. Her visiting you in the USA and marrying will be considered visa fraud if planned that way.

Without evidence she has reasons she "has" to return to China she'll more than likely be denied a tourist visa.

I'd go with the CR-1.

[fiestagirl 7]

You can't honestly think that she is attracted to you in a husband/wife type of way. You obviously are to her - but she is 23!! She doesn't need to be married to someone that is old enough to be her grandfather. Let her go and let her find someone that is her own age and you do the same.

Best of luck.

[thelastpetitioner 218]

You can't honestly think that she is attracted to you in a husband/wife type of way. You obviously are to her - but she is 23!! She doesn't need to be married to someone that is old enough to be her grandfather. Let her go and let her find someone that is her own age and you do the same.

Best of luck.

that is a cruel and uncalled for statement,look around you on this website,there are a lot of people on here who have gotten married regardless of their age difference.

however OP,i dont think you have a good shot at it,your plan is a solid case of fraud.

there is no way to guarantee that you for sure will be granted a visa,regardless of the route you take,so i suggest you talk to her and explain everything to her and let her know the truth,and see whether or not she wants to stay in this relationship

[Ally & Rach 24]

You can't honestly think that she is attracted to you in a husband/wife type of way. You obviously are to her - but she is 23!! She doesn't need to be married to someone that is old enough to be her grandfather. Let her go and let her find someone that is her own age and you do the same.

Best of luck.

I agree.. the above comment is bang out of order. First negative comment Ive seen on this site.. completely unnecessary..

OP.. you do what makes you happy!

[fiestagirl 7]

Whatever. What i said is going through a lot of people's minds. If the OP goes ahead with a K3 that will be denied too. You guys need to stop sugar coating this situation and say that age doesn't matter - OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!

[thelastpetitioner 218]

Whatever. What i said is going through a lot of people's minds. If the OP goes ahead with a K3 that will be denied too. You guys need to stop sugar coating this situation and say that age doesn't matter - OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!

ummm,no one thought that?im not sugarcoating it,im stating what is a world wide known fact to people who have been in love,age is not what matters in a solid relationship.

plus OP does NOT look 61.

you really need to stop giving advice unless you have something productive to say

[Ally & Rach 24]

Whatever. What i said is going through a lot of people's minds. If the OP goes ahead with a K3 that will be denied too. You guys need to stop sugar coating this situation and say that age doesn't matter - OF COURSE IT MATTERS!!!

wow, you are a mind reader? how about you put it to better use and read the minds of the people at USCIS and find out where our NAO2's are. Everyone on here is so supportive and even if they did think that what is the point in saying it other than being nasty. you don't know the guys situation. He's happy, she's happy.. deal with it. The OP came on here looking for advice not an opinion. We are all mega down at the moment over our situation. Hope this is the end of the negativity and everyone gets good news soon.. including you fiestagirl..

[Otto 83]

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[Azzudiin 26]

You can't honestly think that she is attracted to you in a husband/wife type of way. You obviously are to her - but she is 23!! She doesn't need to be married to someone that is old enough to be her grandfather. Let her go and let her find someone that is her own age and you do the same.

Best of luck.

You need a better understanding of other Cultures, given 38 year difference is a stretch, but in China it is extrmemely rare that a woman marries any man Chinese or foriegn that is not older then her. Most cases even between Chinese are 5-10 years plus.

Chinese women are not wrapped up in ages and looks, they want security financially and they want to feel safe in their lives. Most western cultures look for love first when it comes to relationships, for Chinese they look for security and the love comes later.

To the OP: Being one that is very familiar with Guangzhou and the battle it takes, your only real option is to go to China, marry then file spouse visa. It will be royal pain and it will take a long time to complete but if it is what you really want, then the wait is worth the end result. Just do not expect anything to happen fast.

[LGC 2]

You need a better understanding of other Cultures, given 38 year difference is a stretch, but in China it is extrmemely rare that a woman marries any man Chinese or foriegn that is not older then her. Most cases even between Chinese are 5-10 years plus.

Chinese women are not wrapped up in ages and looks, they want security financially and they want to feel safe in their lives. Most western cultures look for love first when it comes to relationships, for Chinese they look for security and the love comes later.

+1. Chinese do like the guy can provide financial security.

Edited October 18, 2010 by LGC

[thelastpetitioner 218]

+1. Chinese do like the guy can provide financial security.

who doesnt?

[Casprd 167]

Your best bet is to go the long road and go to China and get married then pursue the CR-1/IR-1 visa. Having said that, the 38 year age difference will be a problem at the interview. Anything greater than 15 years will be a red flag that must be overcome, especially when she is in her early 20's. I know because our age difference is 16 years so we are dealing with this already. The only caveat in our case is she is 29 so the age difference is somewhat mitigated by the fact that she is past "marrying age" in China. In and of itsself it won't be grounds for denial, but the fact that you met and 3 weeks later filed for a K1 is another big red flag. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but you will have a long uphill battle through the whole process. Even if she can get a tourist visa which is doubtful because of the denied K1 alone, bringing her here and then marrying her is not an option.

As painful as it is to hear this, I do think you need to take a long objective look at the situation. The red flags that the consulate has are for a reason. It is a long, expensive, stress filled road. To get to the end of it only to find you were taken advantage of is devestating.

Best of luck whatever you decide.