Failed interview !!

[pwolocen 2]

NOTHING is for free at the consulate, who ever told you they would do it for free is not telling you the truth or they dont know and are just speaking from their other end. The timeline must be signed and notorized by YOU, not your fiancee, so she can sign it in front of the CO, but they want YOURS not hers. People conduct business differently in Vietnam, they do have seals, but for enough money you can get your very own and even signed by the person to make it legit, this is why the US Consulate wants it done in their embassy, or on US soil by a notary, and they will not accept US citizens documents with the Vietnamese stamps accept for the marriage license if done in Vietnam, however they do accept them for the Vietnamese citizens when they need something authenticated,

I am going back to the states next week which is where I will get my timeline and residential information notarized. My concer n is for the 2 documents the want from her. I will send the fee money withn her when she goes. It was the lady at the information window at the consulate, so I would not be surprised if it was the other end talking!

[BinhJerome 14]

I am going back to the states next week which is where I will get my timeline and residential information notarized. My concer n is for the 2 documents the want from her. I will send the fee money withn her when she goes. It was the lady at the information window at the consulate, so I would not be surprised if it was the other end talking!

That would be best, make sure she has the money if needed, and have a safe trip back, I am glad I wont be making any of those long trips for about another 2 years, at least as long as my mother stays healthy. We will try to get my wife a visitor visa in 2012 when my family has their next family reunion, so until then I am not planning on making the trip back to the US

[luckytxn 2,264]

I have been divorced for 15 years and my fiancee for 13 years. I cannot imagine what they are after! I will be 65 in November of this year, but cannot retire until I am 66. I have no intention of retiring any time soon. Lucktxn is scaring the devil out of me, saying we might get sent to AP. Why would they do that? Please note that the CO only asked 2 questions, the translator did all the damage! Can she persuade the CO to send us to AP?

Don't mean to scare you at all. It was the stuff they asked for. When we have seen in the past they ask for these things like this when there has a been a recent divorce. You don't qualify in that you are a long time divorcee. They seem to definitely see something they don't like. The CO can tell the interpretor to not ask any questions at all or stop them from asking any questions. The CO is in charge of the interview. They make their choices whether to give a pink or not USUALLY before the interview. Just get them the info they want and see what happens maybe they will issue a pink. For them to ask not even your addresses but who has lived at the addresses and want proof though has in the past means they suspect involvement somewhere and maybe they think you have lived with one of her relatives as an example only.

[pwolocen 2]

The reason for their concern is that Vietnam is a high fraud country, and the CO's treat everyone like they are in it for the green card and nothing else. If you are much older than your fiancee then to them it looks suspicious, not trying to judge, but seriously if you were looking on the outside if you saw a 65 year old man with a 20 year old woman what would you think? Clearly your fiancee is not a 20 year old woman with her being divorced for 13 years, and I am NOT stating that she is in it for the green card and not love, but for many people this IS what is going on, and all of us that are not in that boat get put there by the CO's thinking we are like the bad ones. Age is of concern, if you are 65 you have to show you will support your fiancee, and i think it takes 5 years for the perminate citizenship card which would make you 70, so this might shine a light on what they may or may not be seeing, just observations, nothing more. Good luck, and remember to get everything they need, dont give them any reason to deny you. Jerome and Binh

Yes, I will turn 65 in November. My fiance is 41! If they looked at my I-134 they would see that money for their support is not a problem. I am an engineer and my job is not physically hard. For all they know I may work until I am 70! I value your observations and input greatly. You give me food for thought that on items I may have missed. Please do not stop! Thank you, Peter It really helps to get information from someone who has gone through this process before.

[SuperDuper! 230]

I have some questions that VJ members may be able to answer. Is the vn language translater also a CO? The CO was an American who had a Pink in front of him, smiled at all our pictures and only asked 2 questions. Then the translator lady started asking questions that were impossible to answer and talked the CO into giving us a blue! Who makes the decision, the CO or the translator? The translator lady kept asking questions until my fiance could not answer! Example: You say you will honeymoon in Las Vegas, what is the room cost per night? As everyone knows you cannot get a room rate until you make a reservation. Cannot make a reservation until you have a visa! You see where the translator lady was giong with this!! This is only an example of what she was trying to do. She succeeded!!

They also failed us for a timeline that we had and they would not accept! What happens now, after we submit the documents to window B? It says on the blue sheet that you can submit early, does that do any good?

They state that all new documents be notarized. The consulate fee for a notary stamp is $50.00 each. Is there any way to get a notary in vn for less than that very high fee?

Having a common language was THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE at our AOS interview.

Can't overstate HOW IMPORTANT A COMMON LANGUAGE IS TO GETTING APPROVED.

Good Luck and Good Karma at your next interview.

ps, jealousy of the translator is whatz happening.....

[Zachary Vu 0]

i believe So Tu Phap ( Justice Department) in HCM city can notorized for you for a small fee, give them some "coffee money" you can able to get them in the same day.

[luckytxn 2,264]

The CO seemed happy with our information, he had the pink slip sitting in front of him for my fiancee to see. She first saw it at the first window too!! If you have not, please read my answer to JimVaPhuong about the contents of our blue slip. It did not seen like anything that could harm us that much. 1) Timeline 2) My residential info last 10 years 3) Fiancee residential info last 10 years 4) Relatives living in the US info. As far as #4 She had to get her Mother and Brother to find the information they want. Before this whole mess, she did not even know their names much less where they live. Did the translator make out the blue slip? The CO was studying his computer the whole interview and my fiancee is not sure he even heard the questions!! Can she make out the slip and just get him to sign it?

I did read it fully before and you left something very important out that we saw that had us saying what we did. Since you seem to see nothing wrong and all then I will just say good luck and God bless.

We are flying blind here as you are pretty new and we know very little about you so we can only go by what they are asking from you and the past of what they have asked for from people and the reasons what ever. We are pretty old hands here and try to help but we can do so only if we are able.

[luckytxn 2,264]

The CO seemed happy with our information, he had the pink slip sitting in front of him for my fiancee to see. She first saw it at the first window too!! If you have not, please read my answer to JimVaPhuong about the contents of our blue slip. It did not seen like anything that could harm us that much. 1) Timeline 2) My residential info last 10 years 3) Fiancee residential info last 10 years 4) Relatives living in the US info. As far as #4 She had to get her Mother and Brother to find the information they want. Before this whole mess, she did not even know their names much less where they live. Did the translator make out the blue slip? The CO was studying his computer the whole interview and my fiancee is not sure he even heard the questions!! Can she make out the slip and just get him to sign it?

I did read it fully before and you left something very important out that we saw that had us saying what we did. Since you seem to see nothing wrong and all then I will just say good luck and God bless.

We are flying blind here as you are pretty new and we know very little about you so we can only go by what they are asking from you and the past of what they have asked for from people and the reasons what ever. We are pretty old hands here and try to help but we can do so only if we are able.

[pwolocen 2]

I did read it fully before and you left something very important out that we saw that had us saying what we did. Since you seem to see nothing wrong and all then I will just say good luck and God bless.

We are flying blind here as you are pretty new and we know very little about you so we can only go by what they are asking from you and the past of what they have asked for from people and the reasons what ever. We are pretty old hands here and try to help but we can do so only if we are able.

I know I am new therefore I rely very much on your input. Please tell me what important item I left out! I will gladly tell anything that may help. I understand whay you meam by helping, but I do value and appreciate your efforts on my behalf!!

[BinhJerome 14]

Yes, I will turn 65 in November. My fiance is 41! If they looked at my I-134 they would see that money for their support is not a problem. I am an engineer and my job is not physically hard. For all they know I may work until I am 70! I value your observations and input greatly. You give me food for thought that on items I may have missed. Please do not stop! Thank you, Peter It really helps to get information from someone who has gone through this process before.

24 years is a pretty big age difference, this MIGHT be one of the problems, but she is old herself so it helps. Some of the information you have left out that Lucky has mentioned is how long have you known her, how were you two introduced, how many trips have you made. As far as the age thing you can look at it many ways, you are almost a quarter of a century older than her, or you could look at it like this she is 40 which is mature, and you are even more mature, and ready to retire and settle down. We are not CO's we can only speculate on why people do or do not get approved. In my case the CO lied at the interview, and once we hired a lawyer it was proven he lied by his own interview notes and follow up notes when I went back to the consulate on two seperate trips after the interview. SO there was NO way we were going to get a visa, the CO had his mind made up. In other persons cases this generally doesnt happen (the CO being a liar) but their mind IS usually made up prior to the interview, meaning you need to really make a good impression AT the interview to either keep their mind made up or to try and change it. In your case one way that can help change their mind in your favor would be for you to show photos of you and ALL of her family, lots of conversations that the two of you have, and a true interest of her and her of you. It doesnt matter if you are an engineer or not, close to retirement or 5 years out still. If they think it is fraud then you have to show it isnt. My now wife was teaching at ABC international school for 6 years prior to our interview, she had letters from the principal and other co workers there for the CO to read. I had been with my company for 7 years and had letters from my boss on how I had moved up from general labor to a management role, and how my salary in the next 3 years was going to double bringing me to about 100k a year. The point I am trying to make is the same as others, prove them wrong, and to do that you have to show that your relationship is real, and with something like a 24 year age gap, I would show that much more. WIth me and my wife there is a 6 month age gap, and she is older so for us that was not an issue, then a while back there was a couple here filiing for a K1 visa like us. He did not even know her for 1 month before proposing on the internet and going to meet her for the first time. He was 10 years older than she was, he only stayed 5 days the first trip, he then flew back for the interview (only was staying another 5 days) and was approved. Their entire relationship from meeting to getting a visa was less than 7 months. Most of us would have thought they would have been doomed for denial, or at least AP but they weren't. The point of this is to show you that strange things can and do happen at HCMC, so be prepared for the worst, yet hope for the best. Get them their information, and then anything else that you want them to really look at, after all once they make their decision there is nothing you can do that wont take more than a year to settle. Others have done a rebuttal and been successful but it will have been well over a year before they get in for a new interview, so if you got it, show it. Good luck Jerome and Binh

[lindal24 1]

Maybe it would help alleviate questions if you posted a scan of your slip? That's what many of us did back when we were in your position.

One of the things I highly recommend is to make sure you read the slip carefully and provide responses to all of the "questions" being asked in the letter. I.e. for the timeline, there are specific items you must include...read the blue slip carefully!

Goodluck!

[pwolocen 2]

24 years is a pretty big age difference, this MIGHT be one of the problems, but she is old herself so it helps. Some of the information you have left out that Lucky has mentioned is how long have you known her, how were you two introduced, how many trips have you made. As far as the age thing you can look at it many ways, you are almost a quarter of a century older than her, or you could look at it like this she is 40 which is mature, and you are even more mature, and ready to retire and settle down. We are not CO's we can only speculate on why people do or do not get approved. In my case the CO lied at the interview, and once we hired a lawyer it was proven he lied by his own interview notes and follow up notes when I went back to the consulate on two seperate trips after the interview. SO there was NO way we were going to get a visa, the CO had his mind made up. In other persons cases this generally doesnt happen (the CO being a liar) but their mind IS usually made up prior to the interview, meaning you need to really make a good impression AT the interview to either keep their mind made up or to try and change it. In your case one way that can help change their mind in your favor would be for you to show photos of you and ALL of her family, lots of conversations that the two of you have, and a true interest of her and her of you. It doesnt matter if you are an engineer or not, close to retirement or 5 years out still. If they think it is fraud then you have to show it isnt. My now wife was teaching at ABC international school for 6 years prior to our interview, she had letters from the principal and other co workers there for the CO to read. I had been with my company for 7 years and had letters from my boss on how I had moved up from general labor to a management role, and how my salary in the next 3 years was going to double bringing me to about 100k a year. The point I am trying to make is the same as others, prove them wrong, and to do that you have to show that your relationship is real, and with something like a 24 year age gap, I would show that much more. WIth me and my wife there is a 6 month age gap, and she is older so for us that was not an issue, then a while back there was a couple here filiing for a K1 visa like us. He did not even know her for 1 month before proposing on the internet and going to meet her for the first time. He was 10 years older than she was, he only stayed 5 days the first trip, he then flew back for the interview (only was staying another 5 days) and was approved. Their entire relationship from meeting to getting a visa was less than 7 months. Most of us would have thought they would have been doomed for denial, or at least AP but they weren't. The point of this is to show you that strange things can and do happen at HCMC, so be prepared for the worst, yet hope for the best. Get them their information, and then anything else that you want them to really look at, after all once they make their decision there is nothing you can do that wont take more than a year to settle. Others have done a rebuttal and been successful but it will have been well over a year before they get in for a new interview, so if you got it, show it. Good luck Jerome and Binh

First, but not least, thank you for your response! The items you mention were all covered in our timeline which they did not ask for! It is the first item on the blue slip. I will create a new timeline strickly by the guidelines on the slip. During the interview the translator lady said to my fiance"You agree to marry a MAN after only meeting face to face after only 1 day! She put extra emphasis on MAN, saying very loudly and with a tone of disgust! My fiance tried to tell her about the many hours of conversation for many months. The fact that there was a pink there at first and the fact that they only want us to submit documents gives us hope. She is to submit them on Nov.3rd. Peter and Hanh

[Dau Que 6]

First, but not least, thank you for your response! The items you mention were all covered in our timeline which they did not ask for! It is the first item on the blue slip. I will create a new timeline strickly by the guidelines on the slip. During the interview the translator lady said to my fiance"You agree to marry a MAN after only meeting face to face after only 1 day! She put extra emphasis on MAN, saying very loudly and with a tone of disgust! My fiance tried to tell her about the many hours of conversation for many months. The fact that there was a pink there at first and the fact that they only want us to submit documents gives us hope. She is to submit them on Nov.3rd. Peter and Hanh

You probably won't believe, or refuse to to believe, me right now. I'll let time and yourself be the test to my doubt. I've known so many Vnese that fall into this type of scenario. It's almost like a textbook 101, step-by-step guide on how to get her feet in America, and later on the rest of her family members.

Middle age lady, over 40, marries a guy, at least over 60. She's in the game for her children, not herself. A couple years have passed and she now gets her 10-year GC, able to sponsor her children to come to the States. Now she's totally 100% in control of the game. If the hubby fails to satisfy any of her demand, no matter how ridiculous they might be, she's not afraid to break the relationship.

But of course, you won't believe your Angel capable of doing this.

Come back here once she's got her perm 10-year GC and prove me wrong.

[pwolocen 2]

You probably won't believe, or refuse to to believe, me right now. I'll let time and yourself be the test to my doubt. I've known so many Vnese that fall into this type of scenario. It's almost like a textbook 101, step-by-step guide on how to get her feet in America, and later on the rest of her family members.

Middle age lady, over 40, marries a guy, at least over 60. She's in the game for her children, not herself. A couple years have passed and she now gets her 10-year GC, able to sponsor her children to come to the States. Now she's totally 100% in control of the game. If the hubby fails to satisfy any of her demand, no matter how ridiculous they might be, she's not afraid to break the relationship.

But of course, you won't believe your Angel capable of doing this.

Come back here once she's got her perm 10-year GC and prove me wrong.

I understand your position on this. I don't think this is true for me. The choice to live in US was mine not hers. She prefers to live in VN! She has 1 daughter that is coming to the US with us. She has no contact with relatives in the US until forced by the consulate! I will prove you wrong for sure. Why are you so negative about your own people?:

[BinhJerome 14]

You probably won't believe, or refuse to to believe, me right now. I'll let time and yourself be the test to my doubt. I've known so many Vnese that fall into this type of scenario. It's almost like a textbook 101, step-by-step guide on how to get her feet in America, and later on the rest of her family members.

Middle age lady, over 40, marries a guy, at least over 60. She's in the game for her children, not herself. A couple years have passed and she now gets her 10-year GC, able to sponsor her children to come to the States. Now she's totally 100% in control of the game. If the hubby fails to satisfy any of her demand, no matter how ridiculous they might be, she's not afraid to break the relationship.

But of course, you won't believe your Angel capable of doing this.

Come back here once she's got her perm 10-year GC and prove me wrong.

You always seem to tell other people what is up with their fiancee or wife, saying things that just arent true, you tell me that because I live in Vietnam my wife will kick me to the curb, and now that once this guy gets his fiancee a 10 year GC that she will leave him too. Maybe just MAYBE you need to stop looking into the mirror before posting such things. Dont tell us what your wife/fiancee did, because you do NOT know ours, you have NEVER met OR talked to ours, yet you claim to be the smartest person on the planet when it comes to OUR loved ones. Some of the things you say might be somewhat true to some people, but not most. He is here asking for help about the blue, not what his fiancee is going to do in your warped mind 10 years down the road.

Just as long as everything is addressed in the blue you should be fine. Good luck Jerome and Binh