For the socialist on this board who want to tax the rich

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Not quite, but nice try.

""The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.""

The 16th amendment fails to define income. Therefore even your mother giving you a birthday present could be construed as income by this amendment.

Federal tax codes define what is considered taxable income, which is well within the scope of congressional power to do so. See your above sentence. Your Jedi-Libertarian mind tricks aren't working.

Edited October 4, 2010 by El Buscador

[fozzie 41]

I am really at a loss as to how anyone thinks they should not have to pay any income taxes. It just seems absurd. I understand that everyone wants to pay less but no one is prepared to accept the drop in quality of basic services that will arise.

I understand your argument on consumtion taxes but that would not work. The costs of these service at the point of consumption would be dramaticaly increased and you would pay just as much tax in the end. The income taxes are spread around to provide basic human services to all, if you just tax the consumers of those products you would actually penalize lower-middle income families. The economy would tank. Suck it up, pay your taxes. If you want lower taxes then exercise your democratic rights and either vote for the candiadte that agrees with you or be the candidate and get more politically active.

[mawilson 2,133]

I am really at a loss as to how anyone thinks they should not have to pay any income taxes.

As it is, 46.9% of Americans do not pay any income taxes and some even get tax credits (i.e. negative tax liability.)

Edited October 4, 2010 by mawilson

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

it still doesn't change what it is, as theft.

It's not theft. It's called being part of a society.

If you don't want to be part of society you can live on the moon, or build your own underwater city.

[Heracles 417]

As it is, 46.9% of Americans do not pay any income taxes and some even get tax credits (i.e. negative tax liability.)

50% of households earn under $44k, obviously even higher when you think of two adults per house.

They don't earn enough to pay tax.

Edited October 4, 2010 by Heracles

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I am really at a loss as to how anyone thinks they should not have to pay any income taxes. It just seems absurd. I understand that everyone wants to pay less but no one is prepared to accept the drop in quality of basic services that will arise.

I understand your argument on consumtion taxes but that would not work. The costs of these service at the point of consumption would be dramaticaly increased and you would pay just as much tax in the end. The income taxes are spread around to provide basic human services to all, if you just tax the consumers of those products you would actually penalize lower-middle income families. The economy would tank. Suck it up, pay your taxes. If you want lower taxes then exercise your democratic rights and either vote for the candiadte that agrees with you or be the candidate and get more politically active.

The fallacy in a federal income tax comes on the idea that we 'need' certain services by the Federal Government or that we need to pay for certain entities in the government that are far overpayed for the job they do.

State and local governments are very capable of providing the basic needs that government can provide to a community. You don't need the federal government for housing assitance, food assistance, medical care, etc. After all - all the federal government does it take money from a state and give it back and steals it and puts it into another states coffers.

Things like police, fire, and education are generally paid for with local dollars. Things like roads and bridges and maintenence/repairs are paid for with gas tax dollars.

The question is always what's being defined as a 'need.' When you get down to it, none of those things are really. They are all 'wants.' When people can't get what they want on their own, they find a way to steal it from others to create it. That's what we have happening on the Federal level. People want all these 'extras' so they hold their next door neighbor at gunpoint and demand they pay for it. This is no different than a thug robbing a bank so he can buy himself a big screen TV. The only difference is, is people over the course of (LESS THAN) the past century have been bred to believe that an income tax is good, that the banking system we have is good.. They've all been brainwashed like no other and understand nothing of our monetary system and why an income tax was put into effect in the first place. It's real easy to argue that 'well without money we wouldn't have this, so we need taxes' when you have no idea or understanding of what the difference between a 'need' and a 'want' is.

[mawilson 2,133]

It's not theft. It's called being part of a society.

If you don't want to be part of society you can live on the moon, or build your own underwater city.

Tell that to 46.9 per cent of Americans who have no (or negative) income tax liability.

Shouldn't they pay their "fair share" to be part of society?

Edited October 4, 2010 by mawilson

[Heracles 417]

Paul theft is paying people under $13 an hour and expecting them to magically make ends meet. Theft is exporting American jobs to save nickle. Theft is polluting or even poisoning American towns to earn a profit.

It's really something that you deem collecting tax for the greater good of your nation and fellow Americans as theft, yet consider individuals amassing ridiculous amounts of money for their own gain as progress.

Tell that to 46.9 per cent of Americans who have no (or negative) income tax liability.

Shouldn't they pay their "fair share" to be part of society?

I will tell them personally once they start earning a legitimate wage.

Edited October 4, 2010 by Heracles

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Tell that to 46.9 per cent of Americans who have no (or negative) income tax liability.

Shouldn't they pay their "fair share" to be part of society?

Tell what to them? The point of contention is whether tax is theft. It's not.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

It's not theft. It's called being part of a society.

If you don't want to be part of society you can live on the moon, or build your own underwater city.

so if the government says that being a part of society means you have to rape a woman (or a man), then i suppose that's acceptable to you too?

'part of society' is something people choose not to be a part of all the time. Sure they may pay their taxes to be left alone, but they don't partake in society in any way, shape, or form. There are also people who live in this country 'off radar' and use false identities to be left alone as well.

[Heracles 417]

I was reading up on the F35 project, the total cost for one plane has now reached $360,000,000,000 and still no plane.

Yep, fantastic job that private sector. Basically siphoning money to the private sector, at an amount greater than the GDP of 155 countries.

Edited October 4, 2010 by Heracles

[Heracles 417]

so if the government says that being a part of society means you have to rape a woman (or a man), then i suppose that's acceptable to you too?

'part of society' is something people choose not to be a part of all the time. Sure they may pay their taxes to be left alone, but they don't partake in society in any way, shape, or form. There are also people who live in this country 'off radar' and use false identities to be left alone as well.

Yeah, America does seem to have a trademark on weirdos, whack-jobs and loonies. Europe was probably glad these freaks left.

Straw man argument. Law and order is why rape is illegal. Without it, I'd have 100 wives and various people here would be my ######.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Yeah, America does seem to have a trademark on weirdos, whack-jobs and loonies. Europe was probably glad these freaks left.

Straw man argument. Law and order is why rape is illegal. Without it, I'd have 100 wives and various people here would be my ######.

various people here could still be your ######. You just choose not to face the retaliation others would seek upon you lol....

As far as 100 wives... why this is illegal is absurd really. I mean that on a strictly all parties 'agree' type situation.

[The_Dude 1,142]

so if the government says that being a part of society means you have to rape a woman (or a man), then i suppose that's acceptable to you too?

'part of society' is something people choose not to be a part of all the time. Sure they may pay their taxes to be left alone, but they don't partake in society in any way, shape, or form. There are also people who live in this country 'off radar' and use false identities to be left alone as well.

various people here could still be your ######. You just choose not to face the retaliation others would seek upon you lol....

As far as 100 wives... why this is illegal is absurd really. I mean that on a strictly all parties 'agree' type situation.

[Heracles 417]

various people here could still be your ######. You just choose not to face the retaliation others would seek upon you lol....

As far as 100 wives... why this is illegal is absurd really. I mean that on a strictly all parties 'agree' type situation.

Retaliation? I'd just purchase an army to protect me.

Sorry dude, I am not interested in going back to the stone ages.