Union busting: Right-wing media relentlessly attack worker representation

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

When you have employee offered health insurance or pension plans, you don't have a choice but to go with whatever plans your employer offers you. Same with the union, unless you work in a Right-to-work state. The company recognizes the union of employees and therefore is in a contractual relationship. Simply go find work elsewhere as your employment is voluntary.

Wrong again. Where do you get fired for not joining health care? Your job is not dependent on it.

why are you against the POWER the unions would receive by being voluntary? Do you hate unions so much?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Gary has a valid point about those types of union practices legal in the US.

No union gets to pick and choose who works in AUS and being a member of a union is voluntary. These sort of corrupt mob-style shenanigans is why so many unions have destroyed their reputation, along with various cities. Such union practices is a large reason to why a city with the funds of NYC, looks like utter #######; trying getting anything done there.

Unions in Australia get to bargain for their workers, represent them if they are dismissed unfairly and stand up if they treated unethically - that's it. I have no problem with this sort of ethical union. They have no right or authority to pick and choose who is hired or what union shop works where. In fact, there is no such thing as a union shop.

Exactly! If the unions offer the employees something in return, collective bargaining for example, the employees will jump all in that and the unions will have the mandate of saying "our members are all vountary" This puts a plug in management, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc. Just as the all voluntary military greatly improved the quality of the military, all volunteer unions would greatly improve the strength of unions. Why would Steven be against this choice? Strange.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Wrong again. Where do you get fired for not joining health care? Your job is not dependent on it.

why are you against the POWER the unions would receive by being voluntary? Do you hate unions so much?

You're making a false argument. No one forces you to take a job that has union representation, no matter how many times you try to twist it into meaning you don't have a choice. The company doesn't have a choice but to recognize the union, but that only happens when a majority of employees vote for representation. Your argument is as silly as saying why can't our government be voluntary. It is, in the sense that we vote, but whoever is elected in your district, is your representative. You can't go out and seek someone else to represent you without going through the process.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You're making a false argument. No one forces you to take a job that has union representation, no matter how many times you try to twist it into meaning you don't have a choice. The company doesn't have a choice but to recognize the union, but that only happens when a majority of employees vote for representation. Your argument is as silly as saying why can't our government be voluntary. It is, in the sense that we vote, but whoever is elected in your district, is your representative. You can't go out and seek someone else to represent you without going through the process.

REPRESENT YOURSELF!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

REPRESENT YOURSELF!

I'm not the one bitching about the evils of guvmint. Have you thought of finding yourself a nice remote island in the pacific where you won't be bothered by pesky unions or guvmints?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

FiXXoRReD that for ya!

ETA: That is really what this about: Political power, not the interests of the workers themselves.

Of course workers should not have money confiscated from their checks (other than taxes...no not even for that, but that's another story) but yes, you are right. They force members to pay dues, then use that for things many times the members do not approve of. I would think some sort of law disallowing the use of members dues and the proceeds thereof for any purpose OTHER than the benefit of members. Like anyone else, the unions should solicit donations for political campaigns and state what the money would be used for. Voluntary membership would help to achieve this also.

However, I contend that ultimately the unions would have MORE political power, at least potentially, if the membership was 100% volunteer. If the unions abuse their members and the members drop out, then of course they lose power, but if they do a good job and millions of workers voluntarily join...WOW!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Of course workers should not have money confiscated from their checks (other than taxes...no not even for that, but that's another story) but yes, you are right. They force members to pay dues, then use that for things many times the members do not approve of.

Pure BS and you know it. You are free to work wherever you want. The majority of the employees voted for union representation and by law, the company is required to recognize that union. It's a democratic process, its just that you aren't happy with the results. Go find work elsewhere or you're SOL.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Have you thought of finding yourself a nice remote island in the pacific where you won't be bothered by pesky unions or guvmints?

Why would I do that? Seems you might want to though.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Pure BS and you know it. You are free to work wherever you want. The majority of the employees voted for union representation and by law, the company is required to recognize that union. It's a democratic process, its just that you aren't happy with the results. Go find work elsewhere or you're SOL.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You're making a false argument. No one forces you to take a job that has union representation, no matter how many times you try to twist it into meaning you don't have a choice. The company doesn't have a choice but to recognize the union, but that only happens when a majority of employees vote for representation. Your argument is as silly as saying why can't our government be voluntary. It is, in the sense that we vote, but whoever is elected in your district, is your representative. You can't go out and seek someone else to represent you without going through the process.

No it isn't a fal.se argument. It is an excellent argument which is why you do not like it. The company MUST recognize the union, yes. However in a voluntary situation then 5% or 10% or 75% of employess could join, it would not matter, there would not have to be a majority vote. There would not have to be a vote. In fact there would not even have to be ONE union, there could be competing unions.

You are trying to force my argument into existing conditions and say "it won't work, this round peg does not fit in a square hole!" I am saying CHANGE existing conditions. make the hole ROUND. Make a NEW HOLE and make it round. Your argument is astounding really, Steven. Imagine telling women, "Look, football locker rooms are full of horny men and if you go in there to be a reporter, they are going to snap you on the @ss with a towel and shake their c*cks at you...if you don't like it, you don't have to be a journalist, go get another job!" No way! "Look this is a bar, people here smoke. You want to be a waitress here, deal with it or quit" Yeah right. You think that is OK Steven?

It is just incredible to see you wiggle around on the hook for the unions. Suddenly people can be dictated to as to their working conditions or who they must PAY to get a job. It is one thing to be a pimp, it is another to get laws passed to require pimps.

Just make it voluntary and no one can complain.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

:rofl: Your killin me man!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Pure BS and you know it. You are free to work wherever you want. The majority of the employees voted for union representation and by law, the company is required to recognize that union. It's a democratic process, its just that you aren't happy with the results. Go find work elsewhere or you're SOL.

It doesn't work that way in Right to Work States. It can be changed everywhere. But attitudes like this are WHY Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck have the bully pulpit they do. You sound like nothing more than a racist, a sexist, a homophobe. Listen to yourself, it is the same argument that was used by racists, sexists, homophobes to push out whatever they didn't like. "We took a vote, we hate blacks...get out! You can work wherever you want except HERE!" "We took a vote, we agree to allow pornography to be hung on the walls on the cubicles. Go work elsewhere or you are SOL, B*tch!" why not?

Incredible. Pro choice except for...whatever the majority vote against. Right?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

No it isn't a fal.se argument. It is an excellent argument which is why you do not like it. The company MUST recognize the union, yes. However in a voluntary situation then 5% or 10% or 75% of employess could join, it would not matter, there would not have to be a majority vote. There would not have to be a vote. In fact there would not even have to be ONE union, there could be competing unions.

....and your employment is VOLUNTARY! The condition of your contract of employment requires you to belong to the union and you're bitching that that means you don't have choice. Union membership comes with your non-forced employment. Take it or leave it, Gary. Just stop bitching about it, especially given the fact that only about 12% of the labor force in this country has union representation.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

....and your employment is VOLUNTARY! The condition of your contract of employment requires you to belong to the union and you're bitching that that means you don't have choice. Union membership comes with your non-forced employment. Take it or leave it, Gary. Just stop bitching about it, especially given the fact that only about 12% of the labor force in this country has union representation.

Give it up BABY!

[Heracles 417]

Give it up BABY!