Union busting: Right-wing media relentlessly attack worker representation

[one...two...tree 2,762]

While some might seem absurd, quite a few of them are pretty accurate as well.

Of course anyone who's 'pro-union' would think otherwise, but of course you're blind when you're on the inside a lot of times.

Really? Which ones? I challenge you or anyone here to cite a reliable source that explicitly supports what either of those megalomaniac blowhards have said about the unions?

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Really? Which ones? I challenge you or anyone here to cite a reliable source that explicitly supports what either of those megalomaniac blowhards have said about the unions?

Trace Gallagher: "With the 1930s came ... the labor movement -- organization by way of strikes, votes, violence."

Accurate statement, that not even your article discredits.

Limbaugh says "government union" leaders "essentially are communists."

tell me it's inaccurate? Go head. You'd be quite wrong. It's painfully obvious when these unions want the government to take money from ordinary people who work hard and give it to other people. Perhaps more socialist than communist, but the idea that's put forth here is correct.

Kristol: "Thank God most of the workforce isn't unionized."

Another rightful assertion. If most of the workforce was unionized, we'd be in an almost completely socialist society where no one's value was above anyone elses. While I know union people are all for this and many others as well, this is no where feasible and we would get no where as a nation without ultimate freedom of benefits for those who do work hard and EARN their right to better wages rather than joining a group that fights for them.

Limbaugh: "If you want to clean up the schools, get rid of the unions."

I shouldn't even have to explain this one. My reference to how the teacher's unions in Minnesota can hold the state hostage should be enough of an explanation here.

Beck compares the SEIU to al Qaeda: The leaders get "the youth" to do their dirty work.

While the Al Qaeda reference is a bit much, the idea is the same. the union leaders usually get the grand benefits while the youth do all the dirty work outside. The leaders sit back and make 'suggestions/influence' the youth when it's the workers who will suffer and the leaders will continue to reap benefits and stay wealthy no matter what.

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Limbaugh reminds me of a certain poster, he's now an expert on schools too.

Interestingly enough, he has FA in terms of higher ed under his belt.

The new America is one where opinion replaces knowledge.

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Trace Gallagher: "With the 1930s came ... the labor movement -- organization by way of strikes, votes, violence."

Accurate statement, that not even your article discredits.

Limbaugh says "government union" leaders "essentially are communists."

tell me it's inaccurate? Go head. You'd be quite wrong. It's painfully obvious when these unions want the government to take money from ordinary people who work hard and give it to other people. Perhaps more socialist than communist, but the idea that's put forth here is correct.

Kristol: "Thank God most of the workforce isn't unionized."

Another rightful assertion. If most of the workforce was unionized, we'd be in an almost completely socialist society where no one's value was above anyone elses. While I know union people are all for this and many others as well, this is no where feasible and we would get no where as a nation without ultimate freedom of benefits for those who do work hard and EARN their right to better wages rather than joining a group that fights for them.

Limbaugh: "If you want to clean up the schools, get rid of the unions."

I shouldn't even have to explain this one. My reference to how the teacher's unions in Minnesota can hold the state hostage should be enough of an explanation here.

Beck compares the SEIU to al Qaeda: The leaders get "the youth" to do their dirty work.

While the Al Qaeda reference is a bit much, the idea is the same. the union leaders usually get the grand benefits while the youth do all the dirty work outside. The leaders sit back and make 'suggestions/influence' the youth when it's the workers who will suffer and the leaders will continue to reap benefits and stay wealthy no matter what.

and I'll back it up with a 1968 statement from erstwhile (1967/03/06-1969/02/03) Tamil Nadu Chief Minister (equivalent to any Canadian Province's Premier) C.N. Annadurai, who was himself an unabashed socialist. "Union is like onion--you can keep peeling and you won't get any different shape".

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It is absolutely shameless what right wing media nuts say about unions. There is ONE WAY to shut them up, I mean REALLY shut them up on this issue FOREVER.

Choice. I am a pro-Choice kind of guy, I know all my fellow liberals are also pro choice. It is simple.

Make all Union membership for ANY worker in ANY state in ANY union voluntary. That's all. A national "right to work" law allowing all legal workers (laws protecting workers do not apply to illegal aliens who can be hired to avoid the laws we pass) the CHOICE as to whether they are required to join a union at any workplace in the country.

That will shut up that WIND BAG Glenn Beck! And Rush Limbaugh to boot!

I hope all my fellow liberal Pro-choicers will jump in with me and support the right to choose for all American workers! YAY!!!!!!!!!!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Here's an idea - why don't you cite a reliable source that supports what either one of those blowhards have said about the unions, instead of dancing around the issue over whether or not what they say on air is the gospel truth.

Where did all you freedom loving pro-choicers get off to? C'mon, help me out here, Steven, we need to SHUT UP Glen beck and his ILK by making ALL union memebership in ALL professions and ALL states completey voluntary. How can any of those big mouths complain if people CHOOSE to be in a union of their own FREE WILL!

Are you with me?!!!!

Freedom of choice for all workers now!

Limbaugh reminds me of a certain poster, he's now an expert on schools too.

Interestingly enough, he has FA in terms of higher ed under his belt.

The new America is one where opinion replaces knowledge.

Give all workers the choice so Limbaugh will have nothing to say! YEAH! Right?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Limbaugh reminds me of a certain poster, he's now an expert on schools too.

Interestingly enough, he has FA in terms of higher ed under his belt.

The new America is one where opinion replaces knowledge.

Heracles...Steven, where are you? Let's here it for trashing Limbaugh! If we made union membership completely voluntary at all workplaces then Limbaugh couldn't say sh*t. What d'ya think? (<--- US educated slang talk, sign me up for having Heracles pay for my medical insurance)

C'mon, this was such a great debate...quotes and everything from both sides and now...just crickets chirping.

You guys are pro-choice right? You didn't give up on the unions did you? Are you caving in to Limbaugh and Beck?

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[one...two...tree 2,762]

You guys are pro-choice right? You didn't give up on the unions did you? Are you caving in to Limbaugh and Beck?

You do have a choice - don't work for that company or in that field. Isn't that what Libertarians consider a free choice?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You do have a choice - don't work for that company or in that field. Isn't that what Libertarians consider a free choice?

No.

Not surprisingly you misunderstand. For example, if a woman is forced to give a bl*w job to her male boss 3 times per week to keep her employment, should she just shut up and exercise her choice to work somewhere else? OK, kind of extreme. Maybe your co-worker smokes and blows smoke at you...just quit and go somewhere they don't allow smoking, right?

I wish to understand you correctly. You are saying that a persons choice of filed they work in or where they work should be dictated by someone else? That is OK?

Why not allow freedom of choice to join a union? Can you explain why a pro-choice guy is against that? I am very interested. Seems you had plenty to say before, but now are back to inane one-liners.

Please, tell me why you are against freedom of choice in joining a union. Why do you want to strip Unions of the POWER they would have by being "all volunteer"? Steven, your arguments SO fall apart when you are faced with something you do not want to allow choice in.

I am so gald you and I are not on the same side of debates.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I wish to understand you correctly. You are saying that a persons choice of filed they work in or where they work should be dictated by someone else? That is OK?

Why not allow freedom of choice to join a union?

When you have employee offered health insurance or pension plans, you don't have a choice but to go with whatever plans your employer offers you. Same with the union, unless you work in a Right-to-work state. The company recognizes the union of employees and therefore is in a contractual relationship. Simply go find work elsewhere as your employment is voluntary.

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Gary has a valid point about those types of union practices legal in the US.

No union gets to pick and choose who works in AUS and being a member of a union is voluntary. These sort of corrupt mob-style shenanigans is why so many unions have destroyed their reputation, along with various cities. Such union practices is a large reason to why a city with the funds of NYC, looks like utter #######; trying getting anything done there.

Unions in Australia get to bargain for their workers, represent them if they are dismissed unfairly and stand up if they treated unethically - that's it. I have no problem with this sort of ethical union. They have no right or authority to pick and choose who is hired or what union shop works where. In fact, there is no such thing as a union shop.

Edited October 4, 2010 by Heracles

[Pooky 3,803]

When you have employee offered health insurance or pension plans, you don't have a choice but to go with whatever plans your employer offers you. Same with the union, unless you work in a Right-to-work state. The company recognizes the union of employees and therefore is in a contractual relationship. Simply go find work elsewhere as your employment is voluntary.

But you are given the option not to go with the company insurance or pension plans.

That's what Gary is getting at, giving every employee the choice to join a union, or not, without the compulsory aspect. No closed shop, no union exclusion.

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But you are given the option not to go with the company insurance or pension plans.

That's what Gary is getting at, giving every employee the choice to join a union, or not, without the compulsory aspect. No closed shop, no union exclusion, and no compulsory political contributions.

FiXXoRReD that for ya!

ETA: That is really what this about: Political power, not the interests of the workers themselves.

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