Question for followers of any religion

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I know, it's just that you first tried to dress it up as some kind of cosmic non-participation agreement. Nature running its course; people left unaided are maybe just meant to suffer alone this go-round... That's just an awkward little dance with rather scary and unsupportable implications.

Maybe there is a Lord of the Flies type way to consider humanity's course, but only if you view the entire experiment like a slightly mean kid watching ants do battle for your vague amusement. I prefer you say what you have here: I don't care; I've worked out an equation wherein if I never want help, I also don't hand it out.

Why is it scary? That's how life is and always has been. Do you think just because this is a "civilized" society that this is much different than the animal kingdom? I would suggest you look around a lot closer at your surroundings and you might see that we are not much different than a herd of animals in the jungle doing what we can to survive. Our jungle might have roofs, processed food, etc. but it's still a jungle in which we are trying to survive and the weakest of us are shut out pretty quickly. We do well to take care of the majority of the herd, but there are always those who are left behind for one reason or another, or even outcast from society as a whole.

[twowls 217]

Why is it scary? That's how life is and always has been. Do you think just because this is a "civilized" society that this is much different than the animal kingdom? I would suggest you look around a lot closer at your surroundings and you might see that we are not much different than a herd of animals in the jungle doing what we can to survive. Our jungle might have roofs, processed food, etc. but it's still a jungle in which we are trying to survive and the weakest of us are shut out pretty quickly. We do well to take care of the majority of the herd, but there are always those who are left behind for one reason or another, or even outcast from society as a whole.

No, I get that this is how you see it, or at least explain it to yourself. And it's true on a level. But humans have more than one level. We are not dingos. And it's scary when extrapolated out to where people are acting like dingos on a wide scale, and others do nothing.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

No, I get that this is how you see it, or at least explain it to yourself. And it's true on a level. But humans have more than one level. We are not dingos. And it's scary when extrapolated out to where people are acting like dingos on a wide scale, and others do nothing.

Every species has more than one level if you look and understand them enough, even Dingos. We have a lot more in common than you want to realize and the pack/herd depending on the group has its own way of dealing with the troublemakers, even in the wild.

Human nature is a funny thing really. We can be sweet, naive, and caring, or we can be ruthless, brutal, and murderous. It's not a matter of what's right and what's wrong, it's a matter of the "nature" of what we really are. At the end of the day. we're still an animal species on this planet.

[twowls 217]

Every species has more than one level if you look and understand them enough, even Dingos. We have a lot more in common than you want to realize and the pack/herd depending on the group has its own way of dealing with the troublemakers, even in the wild.

Human nature is a funny thing really. We can be sweet, naive, and caring, or we can be ruthless, brutal, and murderous. It's not a matter of what's right and what's wrong, it's a matter of the "nature" of what we really are. At the end of the day. we're still an animal species on this planet.

Well this is all very convenient for me and the midget-powered light rail system I'm developing. You're out of your element Donnie.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Well this is all very convenient for me and the midget-powered light rail system I'm developing. You're out of your element Donnie.

Why, because you refuse to believe that people are "who they are" versus the idea that you can make society be what you want it to be?

You're quite naive if you think human beings are far different than the rest of the animal kingdom. We may have opposable thumbs and we may be able to outsmart other species and might be able to even outsmart ourselves, but at the end of the day we really are no different. Society considers those who are different "mentally ill" when in reality they are far from it.

[twowls 217]

Why, because you refuse to believe that people are "who they are" versus the idea that you can make society be what you want it to be?

You're quite naive if you think human beings are far different than the rest of the animal kingdom. We may have opposable thumbs and we may be able to outsmart other species and might be able to even outsmart ourselves, but at the end of the day we really are no different. Society considers those who are different "mentally ill" when in reality they are far from it.

Because you're still trying to dress up your personal philosophy--"#### em"--as some kind of Darwinian directive. I am not buying this, no matter how many times you rephrase the same simplistic notion.

I understand very well the wide view of sands through the hourglass and perpetual ping pong between humanity's best impulses and its worst. That's how I manage to get through the night. I just don't use the wide view as an excuse for my or anyone else's bad behavior, as some kind of get out of jail free card for my own selfishness or the evil that men do, by violence or self-serving sleep.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Because you're still trying to dress up your personal philosophy--"#### em"--as some kind of Darwinian directive. I am not buying this, no matter how many times you rephrase the same simplistic notion.

I understand very well the wide view of sands through the hourglass and perpetual ping pong between humanity's best impulses and its worst. That's how I manage to get through the night. I just don't use the wide view as an excuse for my or anyone else's bad behavior, as some kind of get out of jail free card for my own selfishness or the evil that men do, by violence or self-serving sleep.

At the end of the day violence and serving one's self is very much a part of human nature. You describe them as "evil" acts, when that is what you and society use to determine that of which they do not understand. It's all a part of our nature. Just as there is no such thing in life as a selfless act, no matter how many ways someone tries to dress it up. At the end of the day, everything we do in life is selfish.

[twowls 217]

At the end of the day violence and serving one's self is very much a part of human nature. You describe them as "evil" acts, when that is what you and society use to determine that of which they do not understand. It's all a part of our nature. Just as there is no such thing in life as a selfless act, no matter how many ways someone tries to dress it up. At the end of the day, everything we do in life is selfish.

I describe them as evil acts because I enjoy the arts: "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones." Act 3, scene ii, Julius Caesar.

As for the rest of your post, please follow the map north toward my previous response. You keep saying the same thing and thinking it's some super meaningful final proof. It's really not.