Anti-Immigrant Groups Short On Popular Support, But Long on Cash From Wealthy Racists

[Danno 1,228]

Nice use of the straw man argument, Danno.

It's a straw man... but one worth setting up and highlighting.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Thank you.

I also agree the article does not mention Open border advocacy but the article is about groups who oppose immigration all together which would infer closed borders.

I was showing the likely hood of the author making use of the anti-immigration lable which is used by open border advocates to lable people who are anti-illegal immigration as the same as these people referred to in the article.

It is understood and supported by the OP willingness to openly defend open border laws, illegal immigrants and amnesty for the same in previous topics. always referencing liberal media, professors, other OB advocates and even stating constittuionality of such support. This si not to bait or enflame his opion that he has a right to have.

This would correlate to the intent of the OP posting the article as such as decribed above.

I also defer to you my original post in this topic as inappropriate and will change the post (if I am able to do so.)

I understand. Would you entertain the possibility that the poster posted the topic as a way of trying to gain support for his stated position by casting doubt on the credibility of some of those who support the opposing position, rather than as an attempt to stir up controversy?

Unfortunately, there is no way for you to edit your original post as you only have 5 minutes after it is posted within which to edit and that time has passed.

[evli1966 88]

Steve and BY

My apologies to you both for the original of this post

I have revamped what should have been stated.

Had a glance at the site, looks like Bigot is the new liberal catchphrase used to divert legitimate discussion.

Strange how not one of these pathetic sites touches why no other first world countries have open borders and quite the opposite policies actually.

Also quite typical of you to support anyone who discredits legitimate concerns because apparently some other group have their own agenda. What was it libs like yourself were beating on about regarding not all Muslims being the culprit, therefore, concerns were null and void. Funny how this goes straight out the window, the second you believe in something, as you then look for the extreme - to claim it's the norm.

It seems we will never convince Open Border Advocates of any controlled immigration.

They are so socialistic in society that they do not realize the dangers of not removing the illegals and controling immigration.

I have not heard or read of one of these Open border advocates (liberal or conserative) that do not either promote the exploitation of the Illegals or want so many entitlements it would bankrupt our nation.

Realistically, why shouldn't legal immigration be monitored too? The US is hurting, millions of Americans are out of work.

Logically speaking, why would any unskilled migrants be required? In this economy, only the most skilled and essential should be allowed to migrate.

Or family petitiones for marriage or under age children especially at this time.

I'm calling you out on what you post, what's the problem with that? You post nothing but negatives about this country and it's in EVERY post you make. What does that imply about you?

I did not see any in his post

I may not agree with all his views but there are some common ground issues I agree with By on and immigration is one.

[evli1966 88]

I understand. Would you entertain the possibility that the poster posted the topic as a way of trying to gain support for his stated position by casting doubt on the credibility of some of those who support the opposing position, rather than as an attempt to stir up controversy?

Unfortunately, there is no way for you to edit your original post as you only have 5 minutes after it is posted within which to edit and that time has passed.

Absolutely

I would say it is fair to state that all Anti Immigrant supporters are Anti Illegal immigrant but not all Anti Illegal Immigrant supporters are Anti Immigrant.

Which is why it is unfair to mislable or represent postions to try and confuse or manipulate people.

I basically reposted the post and edited how I how and what I said. not sure if the orginal can be removed.

Edited September 26, 2010 by evli1966

[spookyturtle 9,466]

you are constantly baiting and thus detailing threads and it is getting old. is your last name mccoy or hatfield, because when it come to BY, you sure to act like those inbreed MFers. grow up.

I am constantly baiting? So I assume that you agree with all of the negative US posting? Please.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Absolutely

I would say it is fair to state that all Anti Immigrant supporters are Anti Illegal immigrant but not all Anti Illegal Immigrant supporters are Anti Immigrant.

Which is why it is unfair to mislable or represent postions to try and confuse or manipulate people.

I basically reposted the post and edited how I how and what I said. not sure if the orginal can be removed.

Thanks! I've gone back and removed the original post for you since you've re-written it.

[DEDixon 39]

I am constantly baiting? So I assume that you agree with all of the negative US posting? Please.

not always, but maybe it is just my politics which makes me agree with a lot of what BY says.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It's a straw man... but one worth setting up and highlighting.

It is also worth noting that your post would seem to indicate you spend some portion of your life investgating people that post things in the internet. Is that true?

[Danno 1,228]

It is also worth noting that your post would seem to indicate you spend some portion of your life investgating people that post things in the internet. Is that true?

If you call reading his avatar and "investigation"... I guess I am guilty as charged.

[Heracles 417]

I personally had a glance at the site the author of the article was posting from and they had various interesting stances.

Considering the OP has a history of attacking the source and the opinion piece does mention FAIR, I too thought I would look into the background of the person who wrote it and the site they promote - their agenda.

Here is a banner from their site: http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/wp-content/themes/code-blue/images/CNC_logo.jpg

Edited September 27, 2010 by Heracles

[Heracles 417]

It seems we will never convince Open Border Advocates of any controlled immigration.

They are so socialistic in society that they do not realize the dangers of not removing the illegals and controling immigration.

I have not heard or read of one of these Open border advocates (liberal or conserative) that do not either promote the exploitation of the Illegals or want so many entitlements it would bankrupt our nation.

What's ironic though is that every country you would classify as socialist, though they are capitalist, all how extremely tough legal let alone illegal immigration policies. For example, I posted an article a few months back, of a farmer in Europe fined $15K Euro for employing illegals.

They'd be bankrupt if they provided every man and his dog who simply wanted to move there with visas and benefits. It's also no coincidence that almost all first world countries with a extremley high Q.O.L have relatively low populations; with most under 20 million, let alone 310 million. It's quite clear that some here do not have a problem with the US becoming a India or China, all in the name of blindly and irresponsibly following country of immigrant cliches.

Edited September 27, 2010 by Heracles